Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1193

Flameblow
Flameblow

Cornucopia of Resources / Guide (read Guide before asking questions):
http://bitlasers.com/djt

Previous Thread:
https://archive.org/a/thread/130167495

All urls found in this thread:
http://bitlasers.com/djt
https://archive.org/a/thread/130167495
https://warosu.org/jp/thread/9271172#p9271216
https://archive.org/a/thread/57595640/#57597331
http://wilsonjj.me/jptv/
http://myanimelist.net/blog.php?eid=773956
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x58nZ92c3lg
http://didyouknow.org/firstnovel/
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%BA%90%E6%B0%8F%E7%89%A9%E8%AA%9E
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q11135030366
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1041596960
http://www.nhk.or.jp/syakai/dokiri/?das_id=D0005120260_00000
https://youtu.be/2aOHFZ1lsww?t=12m
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UunHWjua
https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/%E7%A9%BA%E3%81%8F%E3%81%93%E3%81%A8%E3%81%8C%E3%81%82%E3%82%8A%E3%81%BE%E3%81%99
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN470wKT9PM
https://0x0.st/zr-.zip
https://www.jlpt.jp/samples/pdf/N1-mondai.pdf
http://国語文法.com/%E6%84%8F%E5%BF%97%E3%83%BB%E6%8E%A8%E9%87%8F%E3%83%BB%E5%8B%A7%E8%AA%98%E3%81%AE%E5%8A%A9%E5%8B%95%E8%A9%9E%EF%BC%88%E3%81%86%E3%83%BB%E3%82%88%E3%81%86%EF%BC%89.html
http://vocaroo.com/
http://www.j-cat.org/
http://plus.ajatt.com/wp-content/uploads/manpanese/
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/leaf/jn2/129025/m0u/
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%BD%A2%E5%AE%B9%E5%8B%95%E8%A9%9E
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/3i11p7/%E6%9C%88%E6%9B%9C%E6%97%A5%E3%81%BE%E3%81%A7/cucnc3v
http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?id=10607
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lLfnJmoDJA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w06Ow-cNpvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImYOIpIDv8Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQW3otaceqg
CouchChiller
CouchChiller

なるべく諦めない!
なせば大抵なんとかなる!

As long as you never give up and you keep pushing to better yourself, you'll make it no matter what. You CAN learn Japanese!

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

私のではない

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Illusionz
I really don't get the point of this image. Whoever bothered creating it must be autistic as fuck.

Supergrass
Supergrass

おはよう おにいちゃん おにいたんは どうしてにぃにぃ?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

sign up for lang8
need to put my name and a picture
Maybe another time then

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Snarelure
It's a blessing and a curse.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@lostmypassword
fake name
skip picture

WebTool
WebTool

@Snarelure
It's some inspiration to challenge yourself.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@lostmypassword
Just put a fake name and an anime avatar.

girlDog
girlDog

@Snarelure
It's an example of how learning methods don't matter. You're going to learn no matter what you do, as long as it exposes you to intelligible content.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@girlDog
Exactly. Throw enough shit at the wall and some of it will stick.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Snarelure
Stop being stuck in your djt hivemind of thought.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Illusionz
Why the fuck is 40% of the words in red boxes? Underline would've still been bad but much less obnoxious.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Flameblow
@Spazyfool
But then people will just skip over me

massdebater
massdebater

there are people who still use RTK
when KKLC exists

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Dreamworx
Invite them yourself. They won't decline you.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Snarelure
It's just one person who keeps posting it and insulting people not caring about it. "It took me an hour to do this so I must be rewarded by jerking off to people's reactions."

w8t4u
w8t4u

@massdebater
Is it ripped?

Techpill
Techpill

@Stark_Naked
Clephas is a BEAST though.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@massdebater
KKLC

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@massdebater
Wow it's almost like different people have different preferences.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@whereismyname
分からない

Inmate
Inmate

@w8t4u
Seconding, shit like @whereismyname
would be a massive help to me when I get stuck.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@whereismyname
Borrowed meanings are a bitch.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@w8t4u
@Inmate
Not yet, it's pretty new.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Is it a bad idea to do my reviews after 2am?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@CodeBuns
2013
new

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Harmless_Venom
I think it's a bad idea to even do Anki at all. With time spent on Anki you could have been reading.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Day: 6/365 (1.64%)
Manga: 4/365 (1.1%)
Light Novels: 1/52 (1.92%)
-
ワンピース 第48巻

askme
askme

@Boy_vs_Girl
Day: 1/365
Fucks Given: 0/∞

Skullbone
Skullbone

@girlDog
what proof do we have that the guy actually learned anything?

all i see is his claim that he's "read" all those vn.

takes2long
takes2long

@Skullbone
He learned how to use a texthooker effectively.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@takes2long
Something we all strive to do

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

people think japanese is hard to learn
mfw i did rtk in 3 months and then i set up a text hooker and am fluent
3 months to fluency while vocab fags takes literally years

TreeEater
TreeEater

Whoever it was in the last thread that said I only know 100 kanji is a retard. Try 1500-2000 and 10k words. I can read most things raw.

And you're probably all jealous that I'm actually reading Dies Irae with minimal issues while you're still doing Anki bullshit after a year.

OK bye.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@TreeEater
I don't care about that trash book, but I'm jealous if you can read legitimate novels.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@TreeEater
Have fun using a texthooker with real books.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@TreeEater
Try 1500-2000 and 10k words
I'm actually reading Dies Irae with minimal issues
Try butchering Dies Irae thinking you're reading it with minimal issues

eGremlin
eGremlin

@TreeEater
it's ok dude, nobody fucking gives a shit about your precious internet reputation, or even knows who you are, you don't have to defend it

SniperWish
SniperWish

@RavySnake
Dude he has already read Muramasa, he should have a BREEZE with Dies Irae.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@TreeEater
Are you Clephas or something?
Try 1500-2000
No offense but how is that possible? You said you've read a lot of VNs but it's hard to find an actual VN with less than 2k. I myself know 2.5k just from reading 10~ vns.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@SniperWish
"Read" Muramasa.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@RavySnake
I remember him saying in the past he has Japanese friends that help him when he doesn't understand something.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

ザパニーズの にほんごおしえますに だまされたの おにいちゃん

viagrandad
viagrandad

How long should it take me to stop needing furigana for a kanji and just go "oh yeah, that's how you pronounce it?"
Assuming that I know the context it's being used in, obviously.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@viagrandad
You can stop now.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@RavySnake
Butcher what? There isn't anything especially difficult about it aside from some chuuni vocabulary and shit like Cain's chant which even natives would barely understand. I guess Reinhard can also be a bit confusing sometimes? Either way, I'm pretty sure that most of the people who treat Dies Irae as some invincible beast are the ones who've never actually read it. Muramasa and parts of Ruitomo are much harder.

@JunkTop
I don't know the exact number since I never did Anki, but that's my estimate. I'm able to read things like the Rance series raw with zero issues. People care too much about numbers when it's exposure that actually matters.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@viagrandad
When you know every single word and its pronunciation, obviously.

TechHater
TechHater

@Soft_member
OK bye
Fucking tripfags. You just want attention. Fuck off.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@RavySnake
@w8t4u
本当にごめんなさい
私は馬鹿だ
またね

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

My not needing to be accepted by dumb teenagers is a sign of growing up.

you've never fit in here
Thank god for that.

/a/ is just lazy as fuck. They whine like little babies about how the kanji is so intimidating (it's not: they're about as difficult as remembering simple pictures) or somehow believe it will take them years and years to be able to do anything with the language.

Also, use Atlas and shit when you play VNs. It helps when you don't know what some of the kanji mean.

Dude, Japanese is easy as fuck to learn. Hiragana and katakana only take a few days to learn and the grammar is simple. The biggest problem is learning all the vocabulary and kanji.

This site is written for bros, by bros. Kanji is just as simple as 1 + 2 = 3. I thought Kanji was scary until I saw this site, and then suddenly HOLY FUCK--IT ALL MAKES SENSE.
Now you're going to grind Kanji. Go through kanjidamage or whatever, and just learn to write each Kanji, pronounce it, etc. Meanwhile, get a grasp of grammar. Once you've grinded about 1K Kanji, it's time to start reading some manga or VNs in Japanese. Find a Kanji you don't know? Look it up in a dictionary and practice it.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@takes2long
so in other words, i shouldn't even be asking for proof. the guy hasn't even claimed to have learned japanese.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Here's Komeiji's guide. It should probably be put in the OP.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Carnalpleasure
in other words, you shouldn't be talking to tripfags period

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Carnalpleasure
He has, though. I cut it off, but he said he did in one of the posts quoted in @Fuzzy_Logic

It was a while ago, so he's certainly /actually/ "learned" japanese by now and just needs vocabulary., Anki would do wonders for him in dropping the texthooker. For how much stupid shit he says, he says more rightful shit than most people, like the lines about Anki and RTK and VNs in @Ignoramus

He should just self-ban himself from Sheeky Forums tbh.

WebTool
WebTool

@Dreamworx
That's not how lang8 works, people skip over idiot posts that are so wrong they can't be corrected, or essay-length posts.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@TreeEater
1500-2000
That's a huge difference in estimates dude, I think you took that out your ass.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Ignoramus
"I'm also a bit frustrated by how inefficient most people's studying methods are"
goes on to say "do tae kim/anki, and read manga/LN/VN or/and watch anime"

Isn't that what pretty much everyone fucking suggests to do anyway?

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Fuzzy_Logic
Why are you quoting a 3 year old jp post?
https://warosu.org/jp/thread/9271172#p9271216

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@TalkBomber
He doesn't keep count.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@StonedTime
Because I can.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

you could still learn the required 2000 for literacy
avoid RTK because it sucks and teaches you useless kanji
Try 1500-2000
I don't know the exact number since I never did Anki, but that's my estimate.
I'm getting mixed signals here.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@StonedTime
Just actually opened your link.

https://archive.org/a/thread/57595640/#57597331

Sage for off-topic.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@TalkBomber
Oh, my mistake.
almost 4 years ago
I think people should stop making fun of Komeiji then
anyone who advocates reading as he does will doubtlessly be near fluent in 4~ years of studying

Spamalot
Spamalot

@LuckyDusty
Actually this is his REAL METHOD.

Lunatick
Lunatick

http://wilsonjj.me/jptv/

good tv on right now.

viagrandad
viagrandad

10年で にほんごできるようになれば はやいほうだよ

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

tfw you're able to read a long word you've never seen before and can guess its meaning just by the kanji

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Day: 242/365 (66%)
Visual Novels: 1/2 (50%)

TechHater
TechHater

彼女がいないことの感じ

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@ZeroReborn
Hello buttface

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@BinaryMan
Are you autistic? Why do you need to box everything?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Sir_Gallonhead
"that feel when"
get your memes right

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@BinaryMan
lol

Booteefool
Booteefool

@ZeroReborn
vocabonlyfags will never know this feel.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@BinaryMan
study for 4 years
claim you learnt after one
mis costados

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Snarelure
Why are you calling others autistic when you're too autistic to get the point of an image clearly making fun of someone?
@girlDog
No it's not. It's an example of some retard who skipped kanji and "reads" VNs with a texthooker and 20% understanding.

WebTool
WebTool

@Ignoramus
imabi

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

boot up game
remember I haven't done my reps yet

aaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@SomethingNew
he says more rightful shit than most people
All he did was regurgitate what's said around here all the time.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@PackManBrainlure
I'm not defending his general fickleness and impressionability.

likme
likme

@Fried_Sushi
not doing your reps first thing in the morning
It's nice to get it out of the way so I don't have to worry about them later. I just do them right out of the shower since that gives me a little time to fully wake up.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@likme
That's what I do. It's 9am where I live.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@DeathDog
It's just a joke for him or anyone else to call it his guide since he's just taking what DJT generally says to do and claiming it's his own.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

I though it was san?

5mileys
5mileys

@askme
Nigga I know the significant parts without you boxing it all.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Is this guy still around?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@askme
He might have just given up and tried again years later. At least that's what happened with me.

takes2long
takes2long

@Skullbone
r

massdebater
massdebater

http://myanimelist.net/blog.php?eid=773956

My ten favourite pieces of fiction
list video games, anime and visual novels
an actual novel is #10

Christ, that guy is embarrassing, does he even read books? At least people here aren't delusional weebs enough to think their otaku trash is better than real literature.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@massdebater
Not only that. It's Lolita.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@massdebater
bait the post

farquit
farquit

@massdebater
What did you expect?

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Skullbone
That was fun to read.

Methshot
Methshot

@Ignoramus
The DJT guide is just taking what other people have been suggesting for years, mostly people on the kanji koohii forums, and putting it in a single document.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Methshot
mostly people on the kanji koohii forums

RumChicken
RumChicken

@takes2long
?

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Flameblow
yo fam leme drop a lil 'le' right here mm shizz good

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Flameblow
Why would one take issue with that? Without those posters we wouldn't have rikaisama, the Core2k/6k/10k anki decks, the RTK deck, epwing2anki, and a stack of other tools and anki decks.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@RavySnake
I was mainly just over-reacting as a joke but I do take slight issue with the implication that "read and do anki" are somehow koohii-originated methods, I mean it's just basic shit

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@massdebater
Why are you even here if you don't like otaku media?

idontknow
idontknow

@RavySnake
Don't try to reason with newgen anti-RTK memers.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Stupidasole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x58nZ92c3lg

eGremlin
eGremlin

私は少ししかお手伝いできなくて

This ordering is new to me. I thought particles like しか come at the end. Is this grammatically correct? Does this mean only could clean a bit?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@eGremlin
Rikai/jisho don't say that it's a sentence-final-only particle, just that it's a particle.

It's probably put on adjectives and verbs alike. Get in the habit of thinking of adjectives, relative clauses, and verbs in the same way.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Poker_Star
Was my meaning guess right?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Stupidasole
but I do take slight issue with the implication that "read and do anki" are somehow koohii-originated methods,
Don't be facetious. The DJT guide is in no way "read and do anki". I hate it when people oversimplify things for the sake of argument then bloat the complexity of the same thing for the sake of argument when the shoe is on the other foot. The fact is, without the kanji koohii forums DJT wouldn't be in any way shape or form what it is now. This is not an overstatement.

Methshot
Methshot

@Nojokur
The fact is, without the kanji koohii forums DJT wouldn't be in any way shape or form what it is now.
Pretty sure DJT was founded by autistic /jp/ memers. We don't have koohii itself to thank for the improvement you cite; we have CoR-kun to thank.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Nojokur
I disagree. Hate the site as much as you want, but the person responsible for most of the modern Japanese learning methods online is thanks to Khattz, but koohii forums. While he obviously didn't invent it, he's the one who popularized the usage of SRS systems and lots of input to learn.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@CodeBuns
not koohii forums*

5mileys
5mileys

It's disgusting when you people oversimplify things. There's no one group or person that contributed more than any other. Our history is full of idiots building off of eachothers' work. There's at least fifteen to twenty generations of "standing on eachothers' shoulders" in the site in the OP.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

眠いと言うのとは少し違うんじゃないかってくらい

What in the FUCK is のと? じゃないかってくらい?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@eGremlin
ただしいかどうかわからないけど しぜんなぶんしょうだよ

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@CodeBuns
The person responsible for most of the modern Japanese learning methods online is Heisig.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@5mileys
There's no one group or person that contributed more than any other.
That's not true. Khatz really is responsible for single-handedly popularizing the SRS/RTK and massive input in the Japanese learning community. @CodeBuns
is right on that one.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Burnblaze
のと
Try 言うの と
@Fuzzy_Logic
lol
not Mace
not Spitzer
not Pimsleur
not Piotr Woźniak
not Krashen
Shiggy diggy do.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Burnblaze
Isn't it a little different than being sleepy?

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Fuzzy_Logic
Not even close to true, I didn't use Heisig and neither did quite a lot of people. However almost everyone uses SRS.

But even if you want to make that argument, Khattz is the guy who popularized RTK as well. Nobody even heard of that book before AJATT.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Flameblow
Nobody even heard of AJATT before the book. koohii is based entirely on Heisig, not AJATT.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Burnblaze
Not only that but anki is actually pretty pervasive. It's pretty much The Thing in medical school right now (= a few years ago). No one person or group convinced DJT as a whole to do SRS.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Burnblaze
That's not true. Heisig wasn't popular before AJATT, and the people who did use it didn't use it with an SRS. That was Khatz's idea. Koohii's popularity peaked when AJATT peaked too.

FastChef
FastChef

@Raving_Cute
@Burnblaze
I don't know what you're trying to say. Koohii and DJT were made after AJATT was (2006).

SniperWish
SniperWish

@FastChef
RTK was published in 1977.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@FastChef
SRS was innovated through the 1930s.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@SniperWish
@CodeBuns
How does that contradict anything I said?
While he obviously didn't invent it, he's the one who popularized the usage of SRS systems and lots of input to learn
Khattz is the guy who popularized RTK as well. Nobody even heard of that book before AJATT.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Raving_Cute
Khatz was popularized by RTK. You have it backwards.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Skullbone
Where in the book does it mention AJATT?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

How did japs and chinks learn to read a thousand years ago?

TreeEater
TreeEater

@SomethingNew
Rote memorization.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@SomethingNew
The same way they do now. Copying over and over and over and over

hairygrape
hairygrape

@SomethingNew
Most people didn't.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@SomethingNew
Better than recessive pigskins did. The first novel was in Japanese, and Japan had higher literacy rates than yurop and the USA for about all of history.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

With a text hooker, you too can be fluent in a couple of months!

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Carnalpleasure
The first novel was in Japanese
Gilgamesh is from 2100 BCE, though.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@hairygrape
False. I'm confused about people like you who say historically incorrect things. Do you just hope no one will call you out?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Carnalpleasure
This badhistory hurts my brain

King_Martha
King_Martha

Japanese restaurant
one of the employees there is a real talker, always trying to make relaxed conversation
problem: he has horrible English
half of what comes out of his mouth is wrong to the point where it's incomprehensible; you often can't even guess at what words he's trying to make
basically just good enough to take your order and clumsily read it back to you

This is why it's not okay to hit "good" in anki when you don't have the reading 100% correct. You say しょ when it says しゅ? Keep hitting "again" until you say しゅ, motherfucker.

Better to have a bit of additional stress on you in anki than to have some Japanese people just silently smile at you when you're trying to have a conversation with them.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@DeathDog
In the year 1007 a Japanese noble woman, Murasaki Shikibu, wrote the world’s first full novel. Called “The tale of Genji,” it tells the story of a prince looking for love and wisdom. In its English translation it covers 54 chapters over 1000 pages of text.

http://didyouknow.org/firstnovel/

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Carnalpleasure
all of history
japan didn't even have a writing system until somewhat recently

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Lord_Tryzalot
Where in that image does it talk about literacy 1000 years ago like the post I was responding to?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Carnalpleasure
Europe had to read and study in a completely foreign language for centuries

Shit load more impressive than a bunch of sandal wearing plebs reading shitty novels about courtly life

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@BunnyJinx
As long as there has been a Japanese written language Japan has had near universal levels of literacy.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@SomethingNew
Do you have a source? Because as far as I'm aware you weren't even allowed to be literate if you were female for quite some time.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@SomethingNew
Thanks to RTK

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@SomethingNew
As long as there has been a Japanese written language Japan has had near universal levels of literacy.
Is dis nigga serious?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@SomethingNew
Absolutely

Those millions of farmers and miners were all reading and writing

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@SomethingNew
The public was not even systematically educated in academics until the Tokugawa period. Even then it was a prestigious thing. True public education did not exist until the Meiji period, and even then, it was designed to knock commoners out after gradeschool. Legacies from this system exist to this day with entrance exams for anything better than a remedial middleschool education.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@CouchChiller
There's no reason to skip RTK and stay illiterate. Unless you want to end up like @Illusionz

w8t4u
w8t4u

@SomethingNew
mfw this is the same guy who posted this 5 minutes earlier:
False. I'm confused about people like you who say historically incorrect things. Do you just hope no one will call you out?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Playboyize
And it was written in all hiragana because women weren't allowed into kanji.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Bidwell
How did they read it?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Bidwell
No it wasn't.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%BA%90%E6%B0%8F%E7%89%A9%E8%AA%9E
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q11135030366
@Burnblaze
He's wrong.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Burnblaze
If you can't read pure kana, you're shit at Japanese

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Stark_Naked
So it's still mostly kana.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Booteefool
漢字・かな混じり文であろうと思われます。
It's literally called "源氏物語". They can't just arbitrarily change the name. Why would you even think it was written in hiragana?

Nojokur
Nojokur

Time to play some moege to heal my heart.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Skullbone
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1041596960

Bidwell
Bidwell

すばらしいかなぶんがくならば 金子みすゞ じょしをおすすめしたいんだよ とってもたおやかなきもちにさせられるんだよ

idontknow
idontknow

@Nojokur
This system sounds interesting.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Are there any resources that aim specifically for NT2? I'll need it for my work next year and don't have enough time to learn unnecessary things.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Nice listening practice with transcription.
http://www.nhk.or.jp/syakai/dokiri/?das_id=D0005120260_00000

Also that fucking dance.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

How do I change the background color in translation aggregator?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@haveahappyday
png (3.84 MB, 2962x2159
Indeed.

TechHater
TechHater

What are some good single volume light novels?

massdebater
massdebater

呷呻

likme
likme

@TechHater
Not single volume, but 明日、ボクは死ぬ。キミは生き返る in the .azw file collection is a 3 volume series that wasn't very hard to read.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@TechHater
Look into 入間人間 novels.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@RavySnake
I'd like to read as many authors as possible to get exposed to more vocabulary.

Techpill
Techpill

Does anyone here want to watch Pokemon XY with japanese subs? I've retimed the first 13 episodes to the [PM]-release.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Firespawn

You pass the N2 by learning enough Japanese to do so, faggot.

It's a stupid waste of effort to try to be selective about what you learn. You're going to have to read materials aimed at natives in order to nail down your grammar, speed up your memorization of vocabulary, and acquire an intuition for both. You're going to be learning a lot of "unnecessary" things.

Get to studying now, be ambitious, spend a lot of time, and you'll manage.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Garbage Can Lid
He literally said his goal is not to learn Japanese but to pass N2. Why would he not learn what's the N2 test?

idontknow
idontknow

N2ごうかくなら はつおんいがいは もんだいないよ

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Firespawn
Unless you are living in Japan or aren't starting now, I really doubt you can pass N2 in one year.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Firespawn
The same answer as for any JLPT question
The Shin Kanzen Master and the Sou Matome series.

Also get some mock tests, I like the "Ask" ones, the ones by Alc don't have explanations for the correct answers.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Haru Urara: https://youtu.be/2aOHFZ1lsww?t=12m
A horse as successful as the average DJT person.

絶対”当たらない”馬券
交通安全のお守り
lel

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Sharpcharm

The N2 is not the N4. It assumes that you have the beginnings of a well rounded foundation in Japanese, and is basically the cutoff where you can say "I know Japanese" without being completely full of shit. If their active knowledge is on par with their passive knowledge, an N2 certificate holder should have no problems participating in Japanese society, including making friends with people who don't speak a word of English.

He's not taking some three month class that assumes that he's going to be the world's laziest little shit. This is going to take time, and the most efficient road is to immerse himself in the language as much as possible.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Boy_vs_Girl
The most efficient way to pass N2 is to study for N2, everything else is irrelevant. SRS vocab lists that might appear on the test, etc. Immersion is good if you want fluency, but it would be very inefficient way to pass a test. It would be more like a secondary effect.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@happy_sad
You'll need a lot more than that. The grammar parts aren't trivial anymore either.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@happy_sad

The JLPT is a test to study your proficiency in Japanese. The most efficient way to boost your proficiency in Japanese is to use good study methods for learning a language.

If we were talking about the N5 or the N4, you might be right. That's a small amount of vocabulary and some very simple grammar, and a focused study guide might be the quickest, most effective means to get through them.

The N2 is a larger, more demanding task that expects your knowledge to be at a more practical level. You're going to need to use high-resonance study methods to gather knowledge and intuition, especially if speed is a concern.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@BunnyJinx
Based on my extensive reading experience, he's talking about the time when he cummed all over his girlfriend.

MPmaster
MPmaster

What's up with all these tripfags, go fuck yourselves.

FastChef
FastChef

@Crazy_Nice
N2 tests you on like 6000 vocabulary and 1000 kanji, it is no where near fluency. You can knock that out in 3-4 months in Anki at 2 hours a day. The grammar you could too. Immersion doesn't pay off until the later stages, much longer than a few months, and it is much more broader than what is on N2.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Alright, maybe somebody else finds this usefull

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UunHWjua

Adding this to your anki cards will automatically generate links to KanjiDamage for every Kanji in a word for quick lookup

StonedTime
StonedTime

@FastChef
N2って小学生くらいなの?まんが読むにもぎりぎりの語彙力でしょう

Emberburn
Emberburn

@StonedTime
Yeah I really doubt you can read much manga with only 6000 vocabulary, unless they just happen to be the same ones in what you're reading, but realistically manga covers various different topics and writing styles and you more or less need a native like vocabulary level to read it like a native would, just like mostly anything else. I know 20-30k words in Japanese and I still come across new words when I read manga. It becomes less and less common but I also don't have a native level vocabulary so it is to be expected.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Emberburn
To clarify you can obviously read with a dictionary or by just guessing / skimming, but that's not what I was referring to.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@StonedTime
It tests a lot more than just vocab. You have to know grammar quite well.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Remind me why this is a bad idea?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@lostmypassword
I would not consider that question very nuanced at all to the point where immersion would be an effective way to study for it. The answer is quite obvious if you learned about the grammar even from just a text book.

takes2long
takes2long

@hairygrape
Takes too much time.
By the time you practice 1000 words by writing all of them out every time, someone who just clicks in Anki could learn 3000. Which means that you could read more and have a larger vocab without writing out everything for the same time invested.

Of course, this is only true if you are not interested in handwriting, but most people are not.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@hairygrape
Because it is practically useless when it comes to actually reading since you end up forgetting everything you learned in favor of instant recognition anyways, something that comes just as fast as if you didn't do RTK. It is only useful to write, just as it says in the beginning of the book.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Nude_Bikergirl
Which is the right answer then?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@JunkTop
He doesn't know.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@lostmypassword
しぜんなのは 2だよ そのほかは おかしいね

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@JunkTop
#2

Nojokur
Nojokur

@King_Martha
@Sharpcharm
Good job. Could you do it in under a minute? They say the time limit is quite strict for the tests.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Nojokur
I did it in 10 seconds, I didn't even read the rest of the paragraph. But yeah I really doubt the tests are that strict on time.

Inmate
Inmate

@takes2long
@TurtleCat
I see, I'm just a bit worried about losing writing them as an input of learning but in the long run it might cost more time than it is value for memorizing. My time/card ratio is drastically longer than what I usually see posted here after all.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Inmate
A good compromise is writing out every new kanji about 10 times so you get used to the radicals, but not writing them out anymore when you review them.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Inmate
Writing doesn't really help much with reading. If you don't want to write there is little point in doing it. If you want to get better at a certain skill, the most efficient way is to practice that skill. The main thing that makes writing in Japanese especially useless is that unlike western languages, you type in a different way than you write. You type phonetically with romaji, you do not type with individual strokes or radicals. Even if you wanted to write I don't see why learning it first would be a good idea, you should learn the actual language and then go back to writing if you want.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Nojokur
にほんじんむけの もんだいじゃないから なんともいえないけど、1分だとなかなかいじわるだとおもうよ

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Sir_Gallonhead

You fucked up.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Sir_Gallonhead
You messed it up and converted the 分

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Burnblaze
@Dreamworx
You convinced me, I'll learn hand writing after everything else only occasionally scribbling interesting new ones for fun.
Thanks for your thoughts!

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Boy_vs_Girl
Are you doing RTK? If you are just download a core deck instead and start going through it. You can always just keep doing RTK reps and not add new ones so it wasn't a complete waste of time.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@BunnyJinx
I'm doing a Kanji Damage deck that has stroke order diagrams with each card and duplicates of each card, one that asks the meaning with on and kun yomi and one that asks the kanji while giving the menings. I'm starting to think I'll have to revision my learning quite a bit.

I used to do kore 2k/6k paralell with this one but I droped it, seems I made the wrong choice.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@StrangeWizard
That actually works, thanks user

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@JunkTop
I did about 500 kanji in RTK before I got bored and gave up, then a month later I tried core6k and I completed it in 6 months while having a 90% retention rate. I thought it would be impossible to do something like that before I tried but it turns out I just underestimated my memory. It is a difficult worry to get over I think for a lot of people, which is why they learn slowly or think they need to memorize every radical and stroke of every kanji they learn. You really just need the general shape. Make a mental note of the difference between kanji that look similar if you fuck them up a lot and move on.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Harmless_Venom
Gotcha, thanks.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Harmless_Venom
When would you consider a pre-made deck finished?
Like running out of new cards or having everything be mature or something?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@StrangeWizard
Had to edit the field so that it didn't have everything in the example show up too, but that works a charm.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Flameblow
But yeah I really doubt the tests are that strict on time.
They are. 99% of the people who shitpost about the 日本語能力試験 being a piece of piss would likely fail N2~N1 miserably. Your reading and listening comprehension with has to be high enough to answer the questions in a very short amount of time or else you will run out of time. The comprehension required to pass N1 well basically means you can handle more or less anything in modern Japanese that isn't overly specialised.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Fried_Sushi
Do you have a source on the time? Or are you just guessing?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@New_Cliche
I mean I finished the cards in 6 months or less I can't remember exactly. I think I ended up doing 50 words a day, but when I first started I was afraid of forgetting so I only did like 10 until I slowly kept adding more and more over the course of the first month. After I finished I just kept adding new words to the deck.

massdebater
massdebater

@Bidwell
this guy is fucking elite

takes2long
takes2long

@StrangeWizard
Do we have a pastebin / doc of neat little anki tricks / scripts / addons / tools like that one?

Emberburn
Emberburn

早くやれよ!

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Could anyone explain to me what 空くことがあります is supposed to mean? 空くこと is throwing me

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@CouchChiller
すく なのか あく なのか、ぶんみゃくによっていみがかわるとおもうよ おにいちゃん

happy_sad
happy_sad

@CouchChiller
Just use Jisho, nigger.
1. to become less crowded; to thin out; to get empty

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Harmless_Venom
yeah i dont know which one its supposed to be, this was written to me in a conversation with a native who doesnt english

Illusionz
Illusionz

@happy_sad
dictionary results dont make sense in context, nigger

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@CouchChiller
https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/%E7%A9%BA%E3%81%8F%E3%81%93%E3%81%A8%E3%81%8C%E3%81%82%E3%82%8A%E3%81%BE%E3%81%99

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Illusionz
You are retarded.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Inmate
How the fuck do people take one minute to do one card

massdebater
massdebater

@Stark_Naked
I don't know maybe read the post.

Although writing should be much quicker than that

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@massdebater
If I had to spend that much time on anki I'd quit in 2 days

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@BlogWobbles
Why 2 days?

Evilember
Evilember

@BlogWobbles
It's not something that people do for a long time.
But as a beginner, the biggest boost you can get is grinding trough RTK and core6k. Before you are done with that you can't really do a lot of meaningful reading. If you can stand the awful grind for just a few months, it will give you a really solid foundation.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Crazy_Nice
It's my limit for frustration

whereismyname
whereismyname

What do if there's no .txt version of a particular book?

farquit
farquit

@whereismyname
Learn to handwrite?

w8t4u
w8t4u

@whereismyname
You buy it or deal with scans.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@whereismyname
you could try kanjitomo or other OCR, but it's suffering

FastChef
FastChef

@Methnerd
kanjitomo is shit

I'm downloading a few 一般小説の詰め合わせ right now so hopefuly there are some interesting books in there.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Evilember
It's not something that people do for a long time.
The point of Anki is long term retention. For something like a language for the best results the user ought review the facts till the reviews space out into the years. Cramming a whole lot of shit into your head for a couple of months then dropping it is a waste of time and you may as well not use it in the first place.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@whereismyname
you could just buy it?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@BinaryMan
What I meant was that a lot of people grind through RTK and core in a few months, and then slow down and start adding new words slower (while maintaining their reps)

Playboyize
Playboyize

@TreeEater
You'll get a hell of a lot more out of learning Japanese than you would learning dying European languages like French or German. Yep, I went there.

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAA

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Playboyize
He is right though. French and German sucks balls, even spanish is more useful.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@BinaryMan
The point of Anki is long term retention.
Anki is actually rather ineffective once you get to very mature cards. It's effective at getting things to long term memory, but if you never see a word outside anki you will probably forget it once the interval becomes a year. Also, things like Core2k are words that you will never forget if you are actually reading Japanese. Anki's only purpose there is to get you to the point of reading - It's perfectly fine to drop the Core deck afterwards.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@PurpleCharger
Spanish doesn't count because it's the most disgusting thing that ever came out of Europe.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Stupidasole
I enjoy reading books in my web browser for easy lookups.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

What are you reading? I am reading ノルウェイの森

Naoko worst girl

Techpill
Techpill

@Burnblaze
that's not a valid argument, you can buy ebook versions and convert them into whatever format you want

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Ignoramus
The actual time commitment of anki by the time you get to that point is so minimal that it makes little difference if you quit or not.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@StonedTime
No doubt, but the benefits are also fairly minimal. Not saying you should drop it, just that it won't really hurt you.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Evilember
Few months
I'm coming up to my second year and haven't even gotten through half of 6k. My retention is awful.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Alright, got back from my trip to Japan and now I know that I really suck at conversational Japanese.
Those damn waitress kept offering me English menus, even though I can read the Japanese ones just fine.

I got good at reading through Anki and grammar guides, but what do I do know to understand actual spoken conversations?
People don't really sound like in anime.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@RavySnake
TV/radio

girlDog
girlDog

@Deadlyinx
2 years
half of 6k
How?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@girlDog
Not that guy, but I'm down to 2 new words per day now because otherwise I'd get 100 revisions every day

In fact I'm thinking of dropping the 6k to spend that time doing some reading instead. You waste so much time in 6k failing words because you only remembered 5 out of the 8 words that fit a certain definition and you didn't get the right one.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

where the hell can i find dubbed tv shows? nico only has like 3 episodes of seinfeld. how do japanese illegally download shit besides nyaa.se?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Fuzzy_Logic
the Fate/kaleid liner プリズマイリヤ manga
that's surprisingly the only manga I own that I can somewhat read in public. I'm not good enough to read those low quality scans you find online

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Playboyize
100 revisions every day
That's life fucking nothing.
250-300 can be done in 1 hour (if you don't write them out).
Do you not have an hour a day?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Snarelure
I already spend an hour and a half on 50 kanji and 70 words
I don't mind since all of that time is the time I spend in the bus to get to work/uni, but more than 2 hours would take on my personal time

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Snarelure
400 review squad here

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Any idea how long it should take to transfer my collection.media folder with 2k/6k sound to my android? (HTC one X) With that said, how is anki on android anyways? I haven't had much time lately to use anki on my PC so I decided to step over to the phone version

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@lostmypassword
What do you do with that much time per card? If you don't have the answer immediately, just fail the card instead of agonizing about it for 30 seconds. Even if you do eventually remember the word, taking that long won't be useful when you're actually trying to read.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@VisualMaster
To be honest, some days I do have the motivation/wit to complete 50 words in 5 minutes, but most often I'm just out of focus or listening to my music.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@lostmypassword
Then fix your study habits and concentration problems first.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@girlDog
Inconsistency and drinking too much alcohol before having done my reps very frequently.
Don't even know how apparently today I've got 77.9% since after a drinking day the failure rate skyrockets.

RavySnake
RavySnake

To backup my deck I just need to press export and include the scheduling information + media, right?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@RavySnake
Personally, I synchronized my deck on the PC version and copied my Anki backup folder in My Documents.
I think Export only exports the card data, not your actual progress

Supergrass
Supergrass

@lostmypassword
That's an N3 level question. The sample questions on the JLPT site are a whole level easier than the actual test:
N5 -> Nothing yet
N4 -> N5
N3 -> N4
N2 -> N3
N1 -> N2

Spamalot
Spamalot

@FastChef

Fluency != educated native levels of proficiency.

A native backwater illiterate hick might have around 8K vocabulary. When you talk to them, it's sorta obvious. They have to ask what you mean when you use words that you would think would just be common sense. However, they're generally able to make their point in their own clumsy way, and if you dumb down your language and are patient, you can make yours with them, too.

These ridiculously uneducated native speakers might have a low level of proficiency, but they're still fluent.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Supergrass
gonna need source on that.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Does anyone have the epwing2anki dictionaries?
Also, what note type should I use to import?

Methshot
Methshot

@BinaryMan
Look up any practice test. The sample questions there are the example questions at the beginning of the sections.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Playboyize
You waste so much time in 6k failing words because you only remembered 5 out of the 8 words that fit a certain definition and you didn't get the right one.
Are you doing production cards or something?
If so, stop.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Supergrass
I don't think so. I took the N1 and passed pretty easily, but I didn't find the example questions any simpler. I think it's just because you end up seeing it so often while you study for it that the answer seems obvious. In particular, I thought the listening example ones were actually more difficult.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Playboyize

user, you might consider picking Kanji Damage or RTK. Getting some help with the kanji might boost your retention.

Reading on top of that never hurts, of course.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@RavySnake
Not that guy but you only have about a minute per question. That means you need to finish a page of reading in about 3-4 minutes, give or take. The first time I took it it felt very constricting, and I'm a person who speeds through tests (even ones I do badly at). I failed, though only barely. The second time I took it it was much easier, but by that point I'd had much more experience reading and it didn't feel nearly as challenging. I ended up with time to spare at the end, but even then it was only just enough to run over my answers and double check.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Booteefool
I've finished Kanji Damage already, I'm just revising it at this point. I think I'm ready to move on

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Stupidasole
What level did you pass and how much time have you been studying?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Stupidasole
Did you find the listening part hard? I heard from someone that they just played it on some stereo at the front of the classroom and they could barely hear it.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Gigastrength
N1, at the time I failed it I'd been studying for about 4 years (this was 2010 winter). After that I started reading a lot more and passed in 2011.

@Sharpcharm
No, I actually did pretty well on the listening even when I'd failed it, and got a perfect score when I passed in 2011.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Techpill
Sure, upload them somewhere. Personally I think the biggest thing missing from CoR right now is Japanese subtitles. I think they are probably a great learning tool, but it is too much work to retime them.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Nude_Bikergirl
Question: if you passed N1 in 2011, why on earth are you posting in a beginners Japanese language learning thread on Sheeky Forums? Sheeky Forums would be the last place I would ever come to if I could instead go to Japanese sites and discuss Japanese media in Japanese with Japanese posters.

I don't understand. Surely it isn't for the great company.

@MPmaster
It doesn't take nearly as long to retime subs as it does to download and upload a large and barely downloaded/unity present file from PD. Use Aegis subs to retime, it is easy.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

The hell is テキト? I can't find a source

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Dreamworx
I'm not sure where this notion of "graduating" or whatever came from in the first place. I like answering questions, and you can learn from teaching others. Hell, there have been questions here posted that I didn't know the answer to (mostly older Japanese, but still).

StonedTime
StonedTime

@TalkBomber
テキトー=てきとう=適当

Katakana is used because it's a modern slang usage, similar to マジ or エグい, etc.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@TalkBomber
適当に
English translation is pretty much impossible, look up example sentences to understand.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Fried_Sushi
@StonedTime

Alright, thanks

King_Martha
King_Martha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN470wKT9PM

28年間の伝説ダンボール・・
何この感覚、この懐かしさ ;_;

farquit
farquit

@MPmaster
I'm actually up to ep28 now, because as @Dreamworx
said, retiming is easy.

Here's everything I have so far:

Pokemon XY JP subs - Ep 1-28+Specials
https://0x0.st/zr-.zip

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Fried_Sushi
impossible to translate
In this context I think "make yourself at home" would be a good translation.

Skullbone
Skullbone

明るかろうが何だろうが
明るかろう
What is this grammar?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Skullbone
だろう conjugation for adjectives.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@farquit
Can you just jump right in at the starting of XY having not watched an episode of pokemon in a decade?

farquit
farquit

@Lord_Tryzalot
I'm pretty sure Pokemon is designed specifically for people to be able to start watching at any point.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Lord_Tryzalot
you can watch the episode 00 (also included) first

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Emberburn
I haven't taken the N1, but I found some of the sections of https://www.jlpt.jp/samples/pdf/N1-mondai.pdf to be much more difficult than anything on the sample test.

Methshot
Methshot

@Dreamworx
if you passed N1 in 2011, why on earth are you posting in a beginners Japanese language learning thread on Sheeky Forums?
Why do you always ask this?
/a/ would be the last place I would ever come to if I could instead go to Japanese sites and discuss Japanese media in Japanese with Japanese posters.
Why don't you actually go there then? You're just assuming at the moment, but you have no idea what you would do when you actually get good. Remember that you can't actually post on 2ch or futaba without a proxy, and that just being N1 level doesn't mean you are anywhere close to being able to pass as a native.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@StrangeWizard
だろう conjugation
That doesn't make sense. Just say it's volitional

SniperGod
SniperGod

Fuck, guys. I'm sorting out old documents in my PC and found out I started learning the language in 2008, and I can barely read moege. I'm going to die without ever learning this language.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@SniperGod
Apply yourself

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Wasn't there a massive light novel .txt torrent floating around a while back? Anyone know what happened to this?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Garbage Can Lid
Just say it's volitional
It isn't user. How can an adjective even be volitional?

It's just a somewhat old-timey form. 明るかろう・明るいだろう

massdebater
massdebater

@haveahappyday
How can an adjective even be volitional?
Because Japanese adjectives are verbs.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@SniperGod
It's ok, i started on mid 2012 and I can read moege somewhat.
Do you also work?

TreeEater
TreeEater

@haveahappyday
形容詞「明るい」の未然形である「明るかろ」に、推量の助動詞「う」が付いた形。
推量の助動詞「う」

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@haveahappyday
It isn't old-timey, that would be 明るくあろう.

@TreeEater
Is that supposed to contradict him? It says nothing about volitional there.

"推量の助動詞"

It indicates conjecture not based on evidence.

farquit
farquit

@SniperGod
I can't read shit and I'm ashamed to say when I started. Though it's mainly because I don't do shit. I read like 3-4 chapters of manga and do reps and that's basically it.

I want to start reading LNs but I feel so reliant on checking a translation to make sure I'm not fucking up and I have yet to find a LN with a decent translation.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@CouchChiller
http://国語文法.com/%E6%84%8F%E5%BF%97%E3%83%BB%E6%8E%A8%E9%87%8F%E3%83%BB%E5%8B%A7%E8%AA%98%E3%81%AE%E5%8A%A9%E5%8B%95%E8%A9%9E%EF%BC%88%E3%81%86%E3%83%BB%E3%82%88%E3%81%86%EF%BC%89.html

that would be 明るくあろう.
Did you just make that up?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@SniperGod
Did you just make that up?
No, the modern かろう is a contraction of the now unused くあろう.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Crazy_Nice
If that was once true, it was so long ago that nobody gives a shit. As in, pre-heian
Saying stuff from a few hundred years ago "isn't old-timey" is stupid.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@haveahappyday
かろう is still in modern use. Are you retarded?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@SniperGod
Not in normal speech, aside from a few specific constructions like @Skullbone

People don't just walk around saying よかろう

Methnerd
Methnerd

How many of you study on eink screens?

I've started doing my anki on an eink android device a year ago and it was the best decision ever. I wear glasses due to continuous anki overuse on a computer flatscreen.
If I had started doing anki on an eink screen there's a high possibility that I wouldn't have to wear glasses now. I recommend it to everyone.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Sharpcharm
So his post isn't considered "normal speech"? It is used in other constructions as well like いくら〇〇かろうと.

You can't just say "it's not used, aside from these times when it's used all the time". That means it's used.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

The J-E cards that KanjiDamage's official deck insists on giving me aren't going to do me any good, are they?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Just started on my first anki deck, why is the kanji for yen and circle the same? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of having thousands of kanji?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@StonedTime
To be fair, my post is from a fantasy setting VN where people use old grammar all the time, so it's not a good indication.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

I wear glasses due to continuous anki overuse on a computer flatscreen.

Are you sure you don't just have crummy eyes? I've been using PCs for over 20 years now, since I was a kid basically and my sight is still perfect.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Raving_Cute
Do you really need to be grinding through an anki deck? Just read; learn things through context.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Raving_Cute
Because there are other kanji for circle.

Kanji and words don't have a 1 on 1 relationship. A kanji generally has a general abstract meaning, with multiple words but a clear on-yomi. A word on the other hand can have multiple kanji that have the same kun-yomi but have a different nuance when written down...

Just keep going, it's not that complicated actually. Maybe someone can explain that better

Evilember
Evilember

@Spazyfool
Isn't that how it's supposed to be done? I mean I suppose I could try reading Yotsuba raws but I'd have trouble as soon as I got to the first kanji

TechHater
TechHater

@Raving_Cute
Just started on my first anki deck, why is the letters r u & n mean 150 different things? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of putting different letters together to form words?

Evilember
Evilember

@TechHater
Fuck off, you are retarded for trying to make an analogy like that.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

What is she saying on the left? This is what I can somewhat make out
それに傷口からばい?とか入ったらバ配(?)じゃない

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Evilember
Why is it different? A certain combination of radicals can have multiple meanings in the same way as a certain combination of letters can have multiple meanings. The idea of kanji only having one meaning is just as flawed as words in English only having one meaning.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Evilember
Japanese is a language, not a secret code. There is no one way to learn it. DJT likes Anki because they can use their stats in a dick waving contest, but once you've learned the writing system (kanji) flash cards serve not much other purpose than to waste your ample NEET time.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Sir_Gallonhead
それに傷口からばい菌とか入ったら心配じゃない

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Methnerd
I wear glasses due to continuous anki overuse on a computer flatscreen.
blinded by anki, I'm proud of you Sheeky Forums

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Sir_Gallonhead
She's ばい菌 【ばいきん】 aka Bacteria
Talking about catching those cooties I guess

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@JunkTop
this is true, all u need is rtk and then u r fluent XD

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Evil_kitten
I like KanjiDamage, but RTK then about 10 years of reading, sure, why not.

5mileys
5mileys

Should I read Tae Kim's grammar guide or complete guide?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@JunkTop
Because it is inefficient. Natives take 20 years to acquire a good sized vocabulary. That is not a good way to learn if you can help it.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@kizzmybutt
Because 2 years of grinding vocab followed by 10 years of reading is any better.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@lostmypassword
2 years of reading & grinding vocab is best.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@AwesomeTucker
2 years > 3 months
I'm not sure if I follow your logic.

Methshot
Methshot

@SniperWish
The logic is that you learn more with 3 months of grinding vocab than you do with 3 months of grinding convoluted mnemonics to remember English words.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Stupidasole
Due to my work I spend much time in front of a screen. Doing anki on top of that was too much. I'm positive that eink screen would've prevented my eyesight from getting worse.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@JunkTop

Yeah, it's totally not because it's a good method of stockpiling information in a quick and concentrated manner.

I used to be a part of the anti-anki camp, but since going back to it, my learning pace has really picked up. I regret dropping it.

That's not to say that you shouldn't be reading like a motherfucker, but spending 30-60 minutes per day in anki is a great time investment, one which far outweighs spending 30-60 minutes less time per day reading.

Honestly, if it weren't for the issue of vigilance causing diminishing returns the more time you spend in anki on any given day, spending all day, every day getting through Core 10K before reading like a motherfucker might be the most efficient path, assuming that you could tough out the boredom of spending your days on a monotonous, repetitive task.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Methshot
You'd learn more in 3 months of reading having spent 3 months learning kanji than you would 6 months of grinding, so I doubt it matters, unless you're the I WANT IT NOW kind of person, in which case I shall remind you of global rule 2.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@eGremlin
i picked a dumb method
let me try and trick people on djt so they can suffer like i had to

Fuck off.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@TalkBomber
Isn't that the entire premise of the ankidrone constitution?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@GoogleCat
No you're thinking of RTK / KD. You come out the other side knowing next to nothing useful for actual real world reading, at least you get something out of grinding vocab.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Raving_Cute
Because coins are circular, and Asians have no soul.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@GoogleCat
@PackManBrainlure
You both are pathetic beginners little deepshits that should shut the fuck up. No one gives a shit you're feeling uneasy about the learning method you pick, stop shoving it into others' face as to prove yourselves you made the right choice doing so. Kill yourselves.

askme
askme

Can you give me a website where I press a button and I get the information on a random kanji. Thank you.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@cum2soon
tfw someone on mt. stupid calls you a beginner
It is both a good feeling knowing how much better I am than the average person here, but a bad feeling knowing I cannot convince anyone how good I am because they are all to stubborn to think someone is better than them.

FastChef
FastChef

@Evil_kitten
tfw someone on mt. stupid
good b8 m8, here's your reply

happy_sad
happy_sad

why

why are you doing this to me

Bidwell
Bidwell

@askme
What?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@FastChef
being this jealous of my kanji count

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Evil_kitten
I cannot convince anyone how good I am
http://vocaroo.com/
http://www.j-cat.org/

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@PackManBrainlure
at least you get something out of grinding vocab

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Bidwell
what? what?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@happy_sad
It basically means "next time" which can mean all of the other definitions depending on context ("now" or "this time" if next time is something that happens soon or immediately, or "another time" if it won't happen for a while, often said at the end of an attempt, as in "we'll make it next time")

WebTool
WebTool

@happy_sad
You'll come to understand it anytime now
get it?
anytime
heh

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Evil_kitten
@Emberburn
Late teen ego problems is strong in this one.

Skullbone
Skullbone

if I feel no fatigue can I keep adding more new words? I'm about 60 a day I want to know if I can go farther

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

男子クラス態組の一条寮君の双子のお姉さんでわけあって姉弟別々に育てられたのだけど
How do you read 態 here? And what does it mean?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Sharpcharm
熊の誤植じゃないかな?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

How many of you actually finished a text book like Genki instead of speading a year and half grinding 2k vocab with anki?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@happy_sad
For Japanese, present and future are the same thing

likme
likme

@Skullbone
If you can keep up with the reviews you can continue adding more words.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Fried_Sushi
please respond

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Supergrass
I tried to google "クラス態組" with no result. So you're probably right.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Skullbone

Are you at the beginning?

The difficulty with lots of new words isn't the new words themselves. It's the build up of reviews.

60 words per day might seem easy when you have a total of 420 words in circulation, but what happens when that number gets bigger? You have the new cards, yesterday's cards, the stuff you missed from previous days, the nearly mature cards, and the mature all coming back around to smack you in the face. On bad days, you might wind up with 1K+ reviews from these practices, which will make you hate life.

I'd say that the best policy is to hover around 30 words per day, and maybe have the occasional day every few weeks where you crank that number up when you have some extra energy and want to spend more time in anki.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Skullbone
look at how many reviews you'll get tomorrow. If you think you can handle that + the amount of cards you want to add, go ahead, if not, then don't add more.
Do this every day, it basically balances itself

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

何杯飲めばいいんだ is more similar to "It's fine if I drink a lot," rather than "How many can I drink?" right?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@likme
@Lunatick
@Deadlyinx
just broke 300

I have nothing to do and can do multiple anki sessions a day. I'll see how long I last at this pace

StonedTime
StonedTime

You know All Japanese All The Time, and how it had a massive collection of ordinary Japanese discussion?
His uploads are completely unprotected, so here's his "Manpanese" collection (Japanese like a man) directly from his server. http://plus.ajatt.com/wp-content/uploads/manpanese/

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Lunatick

* To add to this: If you kept at a rate of 60 cards per day, and had the right cards, you'd have N1-tier vocabulary within 166 days, or 5 months.

This simply doesn't happen, even for driven people who live in Japan, or the most autistic of amphetaNEETs.

That should tell you how unsustainable your current pace will become, and forget making it more intense.

@StrangeWizard

Yeah, you have basically nothing on your plate right now. 300 reviews is perfectly doable in one sitting.

I recommend turning it down before the end of the week, though, before you get slammed.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@StrangeWizard
You could try to read an easy manga or something instead, don't only do anki mate.

viagrandad
viagrandad

What does 僕の娘 mean as a single noun? Some guy is trying to tell me that they have a singular meaning that isn't "my daughter".

w8t4u
w8t4u

How do you deal with made up words in manga? There's probably nothing else to do but making a guess at the reading... So how would you read these 「鬼慰姫」and「鬼斬姫」. I read them as きいひめ and きざんひめ.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@SniperGod
2015-2008=7
Is this you, or do we have 2 now?

RumChicken
RumChicken

@w8t4u
おになぐさめき
おにきりき

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Boy_vs_Girl
N1 is the equivalent of a 8th or 9th grader you know. While you can definitely participate in society with N2, without any problems at all, there will still be a lot of things you can't read.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Lunatick
Can confirm with this. I started off by doing 20~30 a day, went up to as high as 60~75 and had to slow down once I was getting close to 600 reps a day. Combining words you forget, new words and words you have to custom study made me net close to 1k review cards per day. My pace has really slowed down considerably since then and I'm only trying to manage an average of 30 words a day. Looking back to my stats, I only averaged at about ~37 words a day for about 4-5 months. I still have about 700 (and ~40 suspended cards) to get through to complete Core 6k.

Not to mention, it gets really tough to even do 20-30 cards when every single word you cover involves some kind of new kanji. There's a lot of these that get crammed near the end of every 2k mark for Core 6k.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Booteefool
You could try to read an easy manga
With 300 words?
Good one.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@viagrandad
Why don't you ask him?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@TurtleCat
@Dreamworx
RTK helped me with reading more than writing. This is what people who never did RTK don't understand. Internalizing kanji this way gives a command over the language that just isn't comparable to before.
@Inmate
@hairygrape
It's not a bad idea. Just don't rewrite a kanji more than twice during the initial learning, and during reviews you don't have to write them out at all. You can palm draw them.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Methnerd
They won't answer which makes me think I'm just being trolled.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@VisualMaster
My best guess is that someone is confusing it with 男の娘

Emberburn
Emberburn

@VisualMaster
You probably are. For what it's worth I've been studying for about three years and I can't think of any other meaning than "my daughter".

RavySnake
RavySnake

@SniperGod
Don't worry user. You CAN'T not unlearn Japanese, if it makes you feel any better.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

I've been gone for a week. Have you guys been getting along well shitposting without me?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Poker_Star
It's 2 or 3 people now, I think I'm being baited but I'll know for sure later when the translation comes out.
I'm interested to see if it actually does. I'll let /DJT/ know if it does.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Stupidasole
Can you post the context

5mileys
5mileys

まだ自分に起こっていることの全てを整理することはできそうにない。

What is the grammar/reasoning behind "できそうにない"? Didn't see this in Taekim or DoBGJ. You can tell from the obvious context, but why "そうにない"? Since when does conjugation work that way?

Techpill
Techpill

@RumChicken
I just read to the part where they finally decided to add furigana... It's おになぐさむひめ by the way.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

I'd like to do the N5, N4 and N3 tests for fun and for the sake of completion (I don't think I'm good enough for N2). Do you guys know where I could find some? Surely older tests have been pirated by now right? I didn't find anything in the OP.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@5mileys
Since when does conjugation work that way?
For however long people have been saying that.

You can tell from the obvious context
You can tell what from it? I have no idea from what you said whether you understood it correctly or not.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@5mileys
できそう

ない

takes2long
takes2long

@5mileys
It's somewhat idiomatic. You don't, for example, say できそうにある generally.

It's unique enough to get its own entry in dictionaries. http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/leaf/jn2/129025/m0u/

Bidwell
Bidwell

@eGremlin
This is very true.
@PackManBrainlure
Dry grinding vocab without kanji of inefficient. It's the equivalent of trying to cram a German textbook without knowing how to read German. Supermemo rule: learn before you memorize.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Techpill
I was actually joking about the き for 姫, since the only case it would be pronounced き is if the whole word was pronounced using the on readings.

I usually just go with pure-on readings until proven otherwise though. It's just not worth fretting about.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@viagrandad
娘 can mean a generic "girl" as in ボクっ娘, but without context I would take 僕の娘 to mean daughter.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Burnblaze
@Burnblaze
N3 includes knowledge of N5 and N4, don't waste your time. I'm pretty sure they have JLPT official practice tests on their home page. Do those first.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Bidwell
Stop posting.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@TalkBomber
No, it would be "how many should I drink". のだ can be used on questions in some situations. It sounds more interrogative than without it.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Flameblow
You can tell what from it?
I can tell what it means, but I don't understand why it's written that why or how it works grammatically.
@BunnyJinx
Yes I know. How does that make sense grammatically?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@farquit
Fucking up is just part of the process
And you'll generally know it when you do it so you don't need to worry about it

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@TalkBomber
Take your own advice.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@CodeBuns
に used to be used for the copula, as in にある instead of である. This is where な adjectives come from. I don't know a ton of old Japanese, but presumably it's a holdover from that.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Poker_Star
:^)

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@iluvmen
don't waste your time
If it's just a matter of a few hours it's not a big deal. Plus I'd be able to answer people curious about those tests in the future by doing so.
JLPT official practice tests
Yeah I know about those but they're still not the real thing (otherwise they wouldn't make people pay to take any tests below N1 if they had the exact same things on their website).

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Firespawn
Shokugeki spoilers

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Fried_Sushi
How did na-adjectives come from that?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@CouchChiller
It's mainly the whole "driving to the test center (could be several hours away from you" and "$50~ entrance fee" that would make it not worth it.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Snarelure
What is that guy up to these days?

girlDog
girlDog

@Methnerd
Because にある became なる (still occurs in adjectives today, such as 偉大なる~) which gets shortened to な.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%BD%A2%E5%AE%B9%E5%8B%95%E8%A9%9E
形容動詞の連体形「~な」の語源は、文語「~なり」の連体形「~なる」が変化したものだと思われる。

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Methnerd
I assume it's because according to some theories なる/なり comes from にある/にあり and な would come from なる

massdebater
massdebater

@Supergrass
He's working in the anime industry, he directed a few shows last season.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Bidwell
according to some theories なる/なり comes from にある/にあり and な would come from なる

viagrandad
viagrandad

@TurtleCat
Do keep in mind this is not the same にある as テーブルの上にある. The meaning of に here is not to show direction or location, but rather existence.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@viagrandad
The meaning of に here is not to show direction or location, but rather existence.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Did imabi man ever end up responding about the idioms he made up?

girlDog
girlDog

@Nude_Bikergirl
Yes, he said he made it up, and then ranted for about 10 paragraphs which I did not read. To quote,
Note: I chose some phrases that are not really idiomatic for those lessons to have a handle of phrases explained particularly difficult for whatever reason to English speakers.
Well, that example is more so a literal phrase and not so much of an idiom as anything else.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@girlDog
Link? On reddit, Sheeky Forums, or his own site?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@girlDog
But the problem isn't just that they weren't idiomatic, it was that they aren't used in the first place...

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@DeathDog
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/3i11p7/%E6%9C%88%E6%9B%9C%E6%97%A5%E3%81%BE%E3%81%A7/cucnc3v

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@SomethingNew
Well, he still comes off a little whiny, but nothing compared to that other image that gets spammed of him casually bragging his ass off.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Nude_Bikergirl
imabi is the ultimate autismo

http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?id=10607

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Evil_kitten
Yeah, I don't hold any ill will towards him or anything, the main thing was always just the idiom. In the end, we're all just people, and it often comes to pass that our negative attributes are greatly exaggerated.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Illusionz
where I come from ”could care less” is used much more often

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Lunatick
Well, being fair to people is one thing, but I've hardly seen a post from this guy that doesn't seem like he's got something to prove. Even in a response to the idioms that's overall fairly levelheaded in regards to the idioms themselves (at least he can admit his mistakes) he goes into a victim complex about his university or whatever. It's an improvement, but he still seems like a person I wouldn't want to deal with if possible.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Evil_kitten
I think to some ways Mt Stupid lasts a LOT longer than people here (and that stupid meme image) seem to imply, and even if you get to the point of being able to read all the hard VNs and almost never misunderstand everything, you will still be more cautious than you were a couple years before just because you have made more mistakes over that time.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

でもどーしたの? ナブキン忘れたとか 私じゃないしないよね〜
What does 私じゃないしないよね suppose to mean? Context: a girl forgot to bring her tampon, this girl is asking her about that.

takes2long
takes2long

@cum2soon
Mt Stupid was once address by Ludwig Wittgenstein, indirectly, when he stated "Whereof one cannot speak thereof one must remain silent", which was clearly in observation that many people DON'T remain silent whereof they cannot speak, which is known as mount stupid. My point being, Mt Stupid never ends, because as I'm evidencing right now, people speak when they shouldn't.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Need_TLC
It's definitely more common among people I know. It's wrong, but I personally like the way it sounds better.

@cum2soon
But this is just the opposite. He's got a huge ego and always acts defensive about his mistakes. The better I get at Japanese, the more likely I find myself to preface statements with "I've never heard of xxx meaning ~", or "xxx word seems much more common than yyy in my opinion", etc.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Crazy_Nice
A typo or you misreading/mistranscribing

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Crazy_Nice
私じゃないし is sort of an interjection meaning "we're not talking about me" and ない goes with 忘れたとか. Meaning they think they're the kind of person to forget the tampon (ナプキン not ナブキン, also isn't this a pad and not a tampon? I don't know these words though) but the person they're speaking to isn't.

viagrandad
viagrandad

be beginner
be reading yotsuba
the grown ups start talking

Nojokur
Nojokur

学校ぐらし makes for great listening practice, even with a rather basic vocabulary.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Skullbone
Yeah thanks, that makes sense. The person speaking here can be considered an air head. And yeah, they do use the word タンポン after, but at this moment she's asking about napkin for whatever reason.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Translate it weebs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lLfnJmoDJA

Bidwell
Bidwell

What words are you stuck on

Post it. Get it off your chest

idontknow
idontknow

@StonedTime
Well, ok, but you wrote ナブキン which I'm almost 100% certain is not what you wanted to write.

In any case, just know that commas in Japanese can be more or less put wherever the fuck you want, especially when dictating speech.

Techpill
Techpill

@Sir_Gallonhead
Chuuni-shit is so fucking gay

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Booteefool
Manga usually has furigana so it's not a big deal since you already know how it is read and what it looks like therefore you can look it up easily.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Bidwell
stuck on words
You what? Some kanji are getting to me though

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@farquit
Thanks. I guess it is time to start listening practice.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Bidwell
I only know watashi, man

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Bidwell
What does stuck mean? You mean the last thing I encountered that I couldn't read? There's a few terms in Fire Emblem: fates that I couldn't read.

金鵄武者 is the name of a class, for example. Then there's things like 弓聖 which leave me wondering whether it's ゆみせい or きゅうせい.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Bidwell
怪我
喧嘩
下宿
課長
校長
経験

Skullbone
Skullbone

So, after taking a year off of studying/learning Japanese in college

FastChef
FastChef

@SniperGod
I started over 11 years ago and I am probably about the same level as you. So at least you are doing better than me.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Sir_Gallonhead
I don't get what's difficult to understand.

Inmate
Inmate

Taking JAP-113.

Any general advice?

Methshot
Methshot

I finished RTK 6 months ago and after reading since then I'm now fluent.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Inmate
Drop it.

WebTool
WebTool

@FastChef
Adobe
Step it up grandpa

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Inmate
Sure, just don't be a reta...

JAP-113
listing a course number as if it means anything to people not at your college

Oh. Too late. Sorry about that.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Methnerd
After making this up most people seem to think it's きゅうせい. Sounds kinda shitty to me, honestly. けんせい is good though (剣聖)

Also found out I was pronouncing 夜刀神 wrong. It's not やとがみ but ヤトノカミ. Fucking fire emblem.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Methshot
There's someone who passed N1 in 16 months with RTK on the koohii forums. You're trying to be sarcastic but it doesn't change that skipping RTK is retarded if you're serious.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Inmate
@Fried_Sushi
I'm just going to assume it's the equivalent of the first half of Genki 2 book. Get that te form down

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@FastChef
11 years ago
Jesus CHRIST
All you people should make your own IRC and support each other, this 7 year stuff has no excuse.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@kizzmybutt
There's someone who passed N1 in 16 months with RTK on the koohii forums.
Who cares, I skipped RTK and was N1 level after 8 months.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Inmate
You took 112 Japanese classes?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Nojokur
I read manga 24 hours a day for 6 months and got 漢検 1.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Translate it weebs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w06Ow-cNpvc

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Bidwell
ぶらぶら
ぶつぶつ
びしょびしょ
そっくり
すらすら
すやすや
すべすべ
すっと
すっきり
じゃぶじゃぶ
じめじめ
ざらざら
さっと
げらげら
くたくた
くしゃくしゃ
ぎゅうぎゅう
がらがら
きっちり
がっかり
がさがさ
からから
がっと
かちかち
うきうき
うがい
いやいや
いちいち

All these words have been suspended at the moment. Onomatopoeia can go suck a dick.

Inmate
Inmate

finish tae kim after slowpoking for 4 months, still want to study and practice on grammar
check out genki 1 just because
realize I can't even come up with the valid greetings for certain situations

Well fuck, guess I'm going to do genki too

Skullbone
Skullbone

@SniperWish
I wish there was kanken 1 level manga.

@Fried_Sushi
See @Techpill

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@viagrandad
Yes?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@cum2soon
いやいや
comon dude you have no excuse for this one
You shouldn't even need to stick it in anki

King_Martha
King_Martha

What is the kanji here? Left bubble 始めから素養があるのか. Is it 素養?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Harmless_Venom
My brain turns into mush when I'm trying to learn the onomatopoeia. It doesn't take more than 10 days for me to forget them and I always mix them up. Not having kanji to aid me is extremely painful.

Maybe I'll purchase a book and learn from the visuals. So far, these onomatopoeia account for at least 90% if not more of my suspended cards on Anki (I have around ~40 total).

Supergrass
Supergrass

@cum2soon
There are a few normal words that you're definitively going to need in there too you know

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@King_Martha
Looks like it. Can't say I've heard the term before but it fits the context and I wouldn't be surprised at some kind of demon or spirit or whatever using a bit more obscure terminology.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@hairygrape
The reason you don't have an excuse for that one is that it's just いや as in "no" twice, and the meaning makes perfect sense with that.

Are you mixing them up in context too? Maybe you're just overvaluing anki recognition.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Techpill
Yeah who cares about plot. I'd rather read moege aimed at people with 90 IQ.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@lostmypassword
I didn't complain about plot, I complained about chuuni-shit.

If you want plot there are plenty of good scenario-ge that aren't written for people with the sensibilities of 12 year olds.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@lostmypassword
hurr hurr hurr if you aren't a dumb chuuni nigger like myself you don't like plot and probably only play moege

askme
askme

@Supergrass
Who are you quoting?
/b/

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@askme
I'd tell you to go back to /jp/ but I don't want you there either

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@askme
Are you fucking blind? I'm quoting @lostmypassword
Try harder you faggot.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Is there any newcomers looking to get introduced and taught the fundamentals? It's free and I'm bored as sin so I thought why not try and teach some kouhai's the ropes.

It can be over Skype or Teamspeak/Mumble. I can take around 3-4 students. I lived in Japan for 4 years by the way, so I am well attuned to at least the basics (can read a newspaper with little outside support).

Skullbone
Skullbone

@hairygrape
Just read manga and learn from context.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Sharpcharm
Where does the post say that? The quote function is for quotes. Not /b/-tier retardation.
/b/

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Ignoramus
It can be over Skype or Teamspeak/Mumble.
The DJT does not endorse freedom hating software if it isn't to play jap videogames.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Ignoramus
I'm game. What is your Skype, or a handle I can search you by?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Emberburn
It says it right here @lostmypassword

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@iluvmen
The definition I had listed for いやいや was 'reluctantly'. There seems to be quite a few interpretations for each and every onomatopoeia and I don't know which to trust (J>J, Jisho, whatever definition is given by Core 6k).

In Anki, I can't tell the difference between ... say ... からから and かちかち. This makes recognition in context impossible for me. Most of them were probably close to becoming leeches before I suspended them because I would forget most before they'd get to their 4~5 day cycle. This would either be because I'm mistaking one onomatopoeia for another and or having problems associating the english definition.

I do not have a problem like this with words that use kanji and I'm over 5k words in.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

How do you girls like my new video?
<3
nyaaa~~~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImYOIpIDv8Q

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@TalkBomber
Skype is just the most convenient. Besides, is Microsoft really going to care about some awkward weebs stuttering hiragana to each other from a Taiwanese moving pictures forum?

@Dreamworx
Email my throwaway

lain.throwaway@gmail.com

Firespawn
Firespawn

撃鉄を起こせ!

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Carnalpleasure
Good thing you're a nobody and what you say is worthless.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

500 GET

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Ignoramus
Wanting to argue Kanji vs Vocab live over skype

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@SomethingNew
Some onomatopoeia are more used to describe some things than others. Context is really important. カチカチ is used to describe rice left out a lot, for example, or a really hard dick. Of course there's some overlap, but just to give examples. Memorizing them alone is going to be really hard because a bunch mean "suddenly", etc.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Flameblow
Everybody is a nobody, and nothing is ever worth anything except within an individual's perception, which is worthless to everyone except those whose perception values that perception

takes2long
takes2long

@Garbage Can Lid
/Iamverysmart/

iluvmen
iluvmen

I wish Core put "To" in front of verbs. I keep thinking they're nouns. Or add する so I know I can use it like that

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Carnalpleasure
いまにもスタンドだしそうな メイクだよ

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Bidwell
とうもろこし

Easy to recognize in Anki but I can never bring it up off the top of my head

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@takes2long
You'll note I was brief and direct

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Stark_Naked
I only remembered this because I wanted to eat it every time I'd go to a festival in Japan. 焼きとうもろこし.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Flameblow
Can someone type out these tell me how to read this name? Kanji/Hiragana/Romanji are all fine.

King_Martha
King_Martha

ま、子ども扱いすんのはこのくらいにして

What does the このくらいにして mean here?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Boy_vs_Girl
CV: (japanese)
you're welcome

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Supergrass
Well, the Kanji vs Vocab argument would be later on down the line.

These seminars are literally for people who have no idea how to even read kana, or something else along those lines. It's also always more fun (in my experience) to have that social aspect to it. Who wants to study moonrunes alone?

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Boy_vs_Girl
youson kasho

@King_Martha
Leave it at that

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Skullbone
Who wants to study moonrunes alone?
Very wise

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@King_Martha
このくらい means "this amount".
~にする means "to make ~"

"make it this amount", "leave it at this", etc. They're saying to stop treating them like a kid any more.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@PurpleCharger
The person doing the treating said it though.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@SomethingNew
Ok, it doesn't list an object.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Skullbone
I only have a steam though to play bad videogames. Does it have a voice chat function? Who even uses skype anymore?
Also I think everyone here knows how to at least read kana.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Boy_vs_Girl
ひとのなまえは あてじかもしれないので かんじだけでは どうよむのか わからないよ

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@DeathDog
"Do I even need to learn Katakana" is a common question

RavySnake
RavySnake

@DeathDog
Everyone I have ever met still uses Skype, babe. You can add me on Steam but I recommend getting a Skype so you can hear what I'm saying. I'm gonna be using a drawboard thing so you can join that but you wont know what the hell is going on

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Skullbone
What if I'm about N3?

TreeEater
TreeEater

@DeathDog
You're still welcome along for the ride. You can skip seminars until we get everyone up to speed around your level and jump in.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@RavySnake
Link your steam anyway

likme
likme

@Sharpcharm
I added someone from on here on steam and we haven't spoken in over a year

JunkTop
JunkTop

@TreeEater
Does everyone have to talk? Are you talking about big group calls? Do you chat with people one on one? And how good are you?

takes2long
takes2long

@TreeEater
what if I have a perfect N1 score

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@JunkTop
Not everyone has to talk. It can be a group call scheduled to everyone's convenience like on a Saturday or something. We can record it too and archive it in the group chat name. Of course I'll chat with people one on one. I studied Japanese for four years and know about 1000 kanji, only got N2 on JLPT

Methnerd
Methnerd

@CodeBuns
Oh okay. So yeah you really meant a fundamentals seminar then. If I'm N3ish I'm probably too high already.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@CodeBuns
I studied Japanese for four years and know about 1000 kanji
How the fuck can you read the newspaper with 1000 kanji

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@DeathDog
I just do? I never really had to look shit up as I skimmed along, but then again I only read two JP newspapers in my life.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@CouchChiller
I mean, the newspapers use regularly around 1.5k-2k kanji, so... yeah. I'm guess you're just underestimating yourself

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Sharpcharm
I'd post my steam but it's quite public, etc. Why not send me an e-mail and I'll send you my Steam there. lain.throwaway@gmail.com

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@DeathDog
Newspapers about hitos, mountains, and rivers

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Firespawn
Do you play any games?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@StrangeWizard
CS:GO, TERA, FFXIV, payday 2. single player games are all pirated so they're not on my steam profile.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

You have ten seconds to post the lewdest kanji you know.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Burnblaze
How does your N2 hold up for playing FFXIV in Japanese? I imagine it's quite difficult.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Garbage Can Lid

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Burnblaze
I'll send you an email

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Methnerd
I don't play FFXIV in japanese. I played JTERA back in the day tho

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Garbage Can Lid
I'm sure I know some lewder ones, but 脇 immediately springs to mind. 扱く also is a contender.

Techpill
Techpill

@Garbage Can Lid
It comes as a pair.
痙攣

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Garbage Can Lid

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Garbage Can Lid

Do I lose if I say 淫?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

服や言動からすると、多分俺と同年代くらいなんだろうなと思う。けれど……、見様によってはもっとずっと年上にも見える。

What does the sentence here mean?

WebTool
WebTool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQW3otaceqg

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@BinaryMan
Judging by the clothes and speech and conduct, (person) is probably around the same age as I am, but depending on the point of view (person) looks for far older.

Is this the answer you were looking for or is there something specific you're having trouble with?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@BinaryMan
This has happened about 3 times lately where people ask about sentences without explaining why they're having trouble. I don't know if these people are shitty translators who just want help, or if they're actually just trying to figure it out.

Anyway,
服や言動からすると
~からすると means "based on ~". This is in EDICT/rikai.

多分俺と同年代くらいなんだろうなと思う
This should be self explanatory, they think the person is the same age as them.

見様によっては
~によっては means "depending on ~". Again, in EDICT/rikai.

もっとずっと年上にも見える
Should be fairly obvious, ~に見える means "to look ~".

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Nude_Bikergirl
The second clause seemed abstract was confusing me. How can someone look older based on their point of view? Is that not what the person's 言動 essentially is?

The confusion probably stems from the fact that I don't know the nuance of these words in Japanese well.

Inmate
Inmate

@Fried_Sushi
It's not the POV of the person they're talking about, it's the POV of the person who is judging their age. "Depending on how you look at them".

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Fried_Sushi
Person A looks older or younger based on person B's point of view

WebTool
WebTool

@Fried_Sushi
He is talking about his own point of view.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Who amphetaneet here?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Inmate
@PackManBrainlure
@WebTool
Oh. I thought it was saying the person looked older based on their point of view.

In other news what the FUCK is 見えなくない? Does it mean 見える or 見えない? What's the point? Is it grammatical? You can't say 優しくなくない can you?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@SniperWish
Double negatives are positives in Japanese. When used in a non-questioning sense, it adds vagueness. It's generally only done in casual contexts.

Is it grammatical?
Yes. You'll see it taken to extremes (sometimes for comic effect) with stuff like ~なくもなかったりとか.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@SniperWish
@MPmaster
To add, the most common way you'll see this used is not to indicate vagueness but in a rhetorical sense, as in "isn't that not good?"

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@MPmaster
@Garbage Can Lid
Oh thanks. I wish the grammar guides could cover this stuff.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@SniperWish
見えなくなくない? というギャル語すらあります。 みえるかみえないかは そのばの、はんだんだよ

Spamalot
Spamalot

@MPmaster
Double negatives are positives in Japanese.

As it should be, unlike english where double negatives can be positive (I don't disagree) OR negative (He didn't do nuffin!). Not to mention the rare double positive (yeah, right)...

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

lose power for 2 days
850 reviews due
B-but its not my fault anki...

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@PurpleCharger
Anki isn't punishing you, it's just the work you have to do

Emberfire
Emberfire

@PurpleCharger
lose power for 2 days
be 2 weeks ahead in Anki studies
Based Android version. If only it would sync automatically

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