Why do some people pretend jazz is more than pop(ular) music?

SniperGod
SniperGod

Why do some people pretend jazz is more than pop(ular) music?

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Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Because it is? Jazz has always been five steps ahead of all other popular music. Jazz started innovating and experimenting decades before The Beatles even recorded an album. Nothing popular music has done wasn't done first in jazz.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Rock and Roll/pop whatever all fits under the umbrella of jazz if you zoom out

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Carnalpleasure
Jazz did vaporwave? no? so shut the fuck up

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Carnalpleasure
and...?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

I once masturbated into a jazz musicians trumpet before a performance in front of the whole school so when he played he got jizz all over his face

AMA

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Nude_Bikergirl
thats not how that works so you lie

askme
askme

@AwesomeTucker
vaporwave

Playboyize
Playboyize

@haveahappyday
I never said it worked well

SniperWish
SniperWish

@askme
thats how its spelled. americans started it not that icelandic cunt our nah .

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@SniperGod
The bait is fresh this morning.

Thanks senpai!

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@LuckyDusty
How is this bait?

Jazz is shit

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Stupidasole

I was answering OP's question.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@SomethingNew
None of that means jazz isn't pop(ular) music.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@kizzmybutt

Except is does. Jazz is art music.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@kizzmybutt
what do you even mean by pop(ular)?

FastChef
FastChef

@PackManBrainlure
Except none of what you posted makes jazz art music.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@SniperWish
nice

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@VisualMaster
Not traditional folk or art music.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@FastChef

what makes something art music then?

inb4 muh written tradition

that's not the end all be all

obviously not ALL jazz is art music, but the best of it is.

takes2long
takes2long

@Stark_Naked
what would you classify as art music

Emberfire
Emberfire

@takes2long
Classical, early academic electronic music.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@takes2long
Art music is really anything with an understood tradition and academic pursuit.
Not Rock/Pop/Hip Hop.

FastChef
FastChef

Jazz is just often more complex and nuanced. I'm not one to say that it's superior, but to a musician who's learning theory, it's definitely more interesting. I still listen to top 40 pop at work all the time and that stuff bores me but there still are some interesting musical ideas and timbres, but way less.

There does seem to be a lot of pop that lies between top 40 and experimental, some of which I really enjoy. I think pop-sensible musical ideas pervade a lot of jazz too. But in general, jazz seems much more nuanced. That being said, listening to either side all the time gets tiring.

I think balance is key. Why can't you enjoy dream pop along with post bop, grindcore and classical?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@SniperWish
quadruple quads, excellent quality digits my friend

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

classical is basically pop as well

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@SniperWish
It's actually spelled vapourwave.

girlDog
girlDog

@SniperGod
Because jazz is divided between the popular stuff, which is generally vocal jazz and jazz you can dance to, and serious jazz like bebop, free jazz, modal jazz etc.

5mileys
5mileys

@SniperGod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd7Fhaji8ow

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

why do people pretend the notion "popular music" exists?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@FastChef

That's why jazz fusion exists.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@SniperGod
Because it's archived in it's three aspects from
A) generation to generation/live performance
B) through charts and sheets and
C) through recordings
So in this way it embodies all three main branches of music whilst pulling technique equally from each brach not to
mention it's own vital element of improv.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

It's made by niggers so people pretend it's art.

@PackManBrainlure
Classical is art music.

@Gigastrength
le all music is of equal worth maymay

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@FastChef
Top 40 is not the pinacle of Pop and it never has been. It's been nothing but bubblegum since the beginning.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@FastChef
Most people do, only redditors try and one up one another on taste.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Stark_Naked
Damn, you seem angry.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Stark_Naked
art music
As a music scholar I reject this title. I retain that this brach ought to be called Classical instead. All 3 branches has a craft and art to it's appeal and that's no bullshit.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Stark_Naked
I hate insecure whitey.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@SniperGod
Honestly the whole pop, traditional folk, art music distinction is pretty stupid and leads to cancerous discussion.

massdebater
massdebater

@Carnalpleasure
I'm not, I'm simply stating facts.

@SniperGod
music scholar
Listening to post-punk and noise (both pop music) doesn't make you a music scholar.

@BunnyJinx
AYO SO U BE SAYIN MUH NIGGERS TALKING OVER DRUM MACHINES ISN'T MUSIC FUCKIN RAYCIS WHITEY

@CouchChiller
le all music is of equal worth maymay

Nojokur
Nojokur

@massdebater
its dat "smug anime noise & post punk" OP boi
Oh shit waddup!

askme
askme

@Nojokur
I don't watch children's shows because I'm not a manchild.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@askme
Sure you don't, anime poster

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@New_Cliche
Project harder, manchild.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Stark_Naked

It's made by niggers so people pretend it's art.

/pol/

jazz was art long before the critics that emerged today were taking affirmative action with hip-hop and shit like that

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Nude_Bikergirl
I'm not projecting, i'm literally right. If anything, you're projecting with the man child bullshit.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Spazyfool
Niggers are not capable of producing art. Their "music" is only produced to serve as a soundtrack to fornication and drug abuse.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Playboyize
But how did it get on his face? Have you ever seen a trumpet nigga? I can't imagine any way he could possibly have gotten it on his face outside of pointing it upwards and blowing as hard as he could. Which...I mean... if that's how the guy plays trumpet he probably deserved it.
You'd have needed to cum buckets too.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@massdebater

This guy is still around?

Go noodle on your keyboard.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@massdebater
le all music is of equal worth maymay

It is. And you can't prove otherwise, which makes you Theoryfaggots incredibly asshurt.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@TreeEater
explain how this is a soundtrack to fornication and drug abuse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFA0FYQo0Gg

WebTool
WebTool

@hairygrape
It is.
carefully composed symphonies made by people who had been writing music for decades is just as good as "HOL UP WHERE DA WHITE WOMEN AT"
Leftists actually believe this.

Theoryfaggots
LMAO DUDE WHO CARES ABOUT THAT BORING THEORY SHIT HAHA JUST USE UR FEELINGS *plays dank 3 chord solo*

@RavySnake
It's pop music. The primary purpose of pop music is financial gain and promoting degeneracy.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Why are people still biting on this blatantly obvious bait?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@CodeBuns
EVERYTHING I DISAGREE WITH IS LE FISH MAYMAY

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@TreeEater

literally kill yourself you racist piece of shit

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@ZeroReborn
I HOPE U DIE U RAYCIS (BTW IM REALLY TOLERANT GUISE)
Another quality leftist argument.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

people still using the art/pop/folk trichotomy
Lmao

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Fried_Sushi
le all music is of equal worth maymay

w8t4u
w8t4u

@haveahappyday
Not everything I disagree with is bait but your blatant ignorance and stubborness towards any points made is a clear sign you're baiting

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@WebTool
carefully composed symphonies made by people who had been writing music for decades is just as good as "HOL UP WHERE DA WHITE WOMEN AT"

Yep. Because "where the white women at" is just as valid of an artistic statement as Bach wanking off in pursuit of the "sublime."

Can you prove otherwise? "Degeneracy" has been a topic for artists long before Bach ever powdered his wig.

Are you such an unimaginative prescriptivist that you sheepishly only fetishisize music that is taught in your Music Theory 101 class and approved by your dusty professor?

TechHater
TechHater

@Dreamworx

I'm not tolerant of racist assholes and I'm not a leftist. Not being a racist doesn't make you a leftist you fucking retard.

/pol/ and SJWs are two sides of the same coin.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@BinaryMan
A) generation to generation/live performance
B) through charts and sheets and
C) through recordings

That applies to all music.

takes2long
takes2long

@w8t4u

He's been doing this shtick for like 4 years now.

He's a failed keyboardist who is simply angry that the plebian filled world can't appreciate the craftsmanship of his derivative, Music Theory 101 approved "compositions."

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@SniperGod
All music is pop music

Lunatick
Lunatick

@SniperGod
Jazz just has higher skillcap. Only people with musical background can enjoy it, and even then they just like the techniques and the complicacy of it.

People without musical background who say that they like Jazz are basically tasteless people who are trying to appear unique.

Say what you will, but jazz is just demonstration of skill. It still sounds like shit.

askme
askme

@WebTool
The primary purpose of pop music is financial gain and promoting degeneracy.

You can also say the purpose of European "classical" music prior to the Romanticism was to promote religious conformity through ceremony.

Also, your favorite Romantic composers would probably vomit if they read your opinions.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Lunatick
I hope this is bait

5mileys
5mileys

it was pop in the 20s-some of the 40s. After that It was more for a less mainstream audience

RumChicken
RumChicken

@w8t4u
ignorance
The only ignorance showcased in this thread is leftist retards calling everything they dislike "racist" and considering everything they don't understand wrong.

@Carnalpleasure
Because "where the white women at" is just as valid of an artistic statement as Bach wanking off in pursuit of the "sublime."
It isn't, Bach's music was made as a form of worship of God, some nigger talking about his hedonistic behavior is just a promotion of degeneracy.

Can you prove otherwise? "Degeneracy" has been a topic for artists long before Bach ever powdered his wig.
Degenerate "art" is not art.

Are you such an unimaginative prescriptivist that you sheepishly only fetishisize music that is taught in your Music Theory 101 class and approved by your dusty professor?

LOL STUPID OLD MEN HAHA WHO CARES ABOUT EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE

@TechHater
LE /POL/ MAYMAY
End your life, degenerate leftist.

@takes2long
failed keyboardist
Except I'm one of the most respected keyboardists in my country. Stop projecting.

who is simply angry that the plebian filled world can't appreciate the craftsmanship of his derivative, Music Theory 101 approved "compositions."
I couldn't care less about some nigger's/leftist's opinion on music. They're subhumans/traitors and their views are worthless because they have no musical experience.

@PurpleCharger
Art music and folk music are not pop music.

@askme
Art music is primarily a form of worship of god (at least art music made by good composers, not modernist trash made by Atheists). The composers needed money for a living, but it wasn't the reason they composed music.

Also, your favorite Romantic composers would probably vomit if they read your opinions.
Wagner was an opponent of degenerate art, so I doubt that.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@SniperGod
This is the worst thread of all time

Booteefool
Booteefool

@RumChicken
Art music and folk music are not pop music.
yes it is

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Booteefool
"Pop music" does not describe music that is listened to by many people, retard. It's music as a commodity.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@RumChicken
dude you sure expend a lot of effort on being angry and wrong on the internet.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Booteefool
Folk, not contemporary white man + acoostic is not popular music.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@ZeroReborn
I'm neither angry nor wrong.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Emberfire
yes it does

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Need_TLC
just saying it doesn't make it true

TechHater
TechHater

@RumChicken

No, they would.

Composers of the Romantic Era, like Elgar, showed the world that there should be "no segregation of musical tastes"

As for pre-Modernist composers not promoting degeneracy:

Symphonie fantastique (1830) which uses purely instrumental music (there are no lyrics or vocals) to depicts story about a young artist who is tormented by his love for a woman, so much so that he takes opium

Pretty much all the 7 deadly sins right there.

And Tristan and Isolde had melodrama that would make the director of one of those Lifetime movies cringe.

The Art of Noise manifesto pretty much made your prescriptivist way of thinking about music obsolete.

No go noodle.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@TechHater
Maybe you should post good artists if you want to prove me wrong.

And Tristan and Isolde had melodrama that would make the director of one of those Lifetime movies cringe.

comparing a traditional tale to some garbage movie made for monetary gain
Leftists, everyone.

The Art of Noise manifesto pretty much made your prescriptivist way of thinking about music obsolete.
The point of said manifesto is that music should become a part of an industrial society (read: a commodity).

massdebater
massdebater

@TreeEater
Incorrect, jazz is a great style if music that several blacks were a part of. Sure there are a lot of niggers but not every black person is.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@RumChicken
Except I'm one of the most respected keyboardists in my country. Stop projecting.
And you waste your time complaining on the internet... Aren't you supposed to be on a tour? retard

JunkTop
JunkTop

@RumChicken
God isn't real

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@massdebater
Incorrect, jazz is a great style if music that several blacks were a part of.
It isn't, it's a commodity.

Sure there are a lot of niggers but not every black person is.
le not every black person is a nigger maymay

@Poker_Star
Only NEET manchildren spend their whole day with music.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@JunkTop
CRAWLING IN MY SKIN

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Need_TLC
It is an objective fact that not every black is a nigger, even if 50 percent are, some still aren't. You are the only one throwing out memes calling everyone who disagrees with you a leftist

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@TalkBomber
for someone who keeps bashing leftists, this guy sure is a faggot.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@PackManBrainlure
I'm not even being edgy, there just isn't any reason to believe he is, that said i appreciate christian art, it's among some of the best in the world

Soft_member
Soft_member

@BunnyJinx

The point of the manifesto was a call for future musicians to break with tradition (both compositionally and instrument-wise) and explore the seemingly limitless new variety of sounds that industrial/city life and its technology were creating.

There was no grand aesthetic vision here (like spiritual edification) beyond the intrinsic aesthetics of the sounds themselves.

I also can't prove you wrong since we're talking about something subjective here. You like your dusty professor approved powdered wig music above all. Cool. I like all types of music.

We can prove that all music is of equal worth though, since value judgments are a subjective phenomenon and not a scientific fact that can be measured.

Burns your noodling ass up, doesn't it?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@GoogleCat
I'm fucking right wing too so i have no clue what he's on about

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@TalkBomber
leftists using the word "fact"
That's odd, you guys usually consider facts "hate speech"

@Nojokur
le the whole world was made by nothing maymay

@Soft_member
The point of the manifesto was a call for future musicians to break with tradition (both compositionally and instrument-wise) and explore the seemingly limitless new variety of sounds that industrial/city life and its technology were creating.
Exactly, it was made to encourage musicians to disregard all traditions and stop making music in worship of God, instead they should start making materialistic music.

le music is subjective maymay

Stop posting, reading this kind of retardation makes me want to throw up.

massdebater
massdebater

@SomethingNew
You probably belong to the "alt-right" movement (read: manchildren who spend their whole day masturbating to hentai and blaming other people for their lack of success). You're even worse than a leftist because you make right-wingers look like a joke.

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