Yuri Kuma Arashi

massdebater
massdebater

I just finished watching this and I'm not sure I really understand the ending.

I heard a lot of people calling this AOTS but as far as I can see it's just a Romeo and Juliet style love story where everyone's real intentions are only gradually revealed. Not to mention cliche story elements like lost memories and Faustian bargains.

Also I guess they were assassinated by firing squad at the end and ascended to lesbian heaven to live together forever? And that was it?

There's got to be something I'm not getting here.

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RumChicken
RumChicken

Yep, lesbo bears is stupid.

In fact, all anime is stupid.

You should leave Sheeky Forums before you become stupid too.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@massdebater
There's got to be something I'm not getting here.

All bears and lesbians are pure scum, and must be eradicated.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@RumChicken
Oh fuck off. I'm asking because I really loved Penguindrum and I really want to love this anime because of the style and the heavy use of symbolism. I'm hoping someone who loved the ending of Yurikuma can shed some light on what was happening or help me understand it better.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Maybe specific questions.

From the very beginning we loved you. And from the very beginning we loathed you. That's why we wanted to become your friends.

Was this ever explained? I was waiting for that to make sense but it never did.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

It's about lesbians in japanese society. How they have to "become invisible" when they grow up or else they will be excluded by everyone around them.
That's all I remember. It wasn't very good.

Booteefool
Booteefool

HOly fuck this bloard is infested with plebians

Spamalot
Spamalot

@iluvmen
Bears hated humans and also loved them.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Spamalot
Yeah. Why did they love them? Why "from the very beginning?" I could understand if they came to love them over time, but from the beginning?

Lunatick
Lunatick

@TalkBomber
I wish I had an proper answer for that. But it feels like a mirror for the manga's tag line.

But if you noticed near the ending where Kumaria was being summoned, we see bears from various places all around the world. So it just makes me think that the home setting of the series is literally the last place where humans have been surviving.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Lunatick
huh. so the similarities to Attack on Titan deepen.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@TalkBomber
Well after you kill them and they stop hurting you they're tasty.

WebTool
WebTool

Life Cool, Life Sexy and Life Beauty were all fragments of Lady Kumaria?

So the "planet" Kumaria was actually a goddess called Kumaria who exploded? And when she exploded, bears started attacking humans?

And Lady Kumaria looks exactly like Sumika because... Sumika was really her coming to earth to teach Kureha how to love? Or was it like that movie Contact where she took the form of the one Kureha loved?

I guess Kureha decided to become a bear at the end because she knew that even if Ginko became a human, they would still be excluded? But Ginko was excluded by the bears, too.

In the end it seems like the only thing that actually happened was they both died. "I regained my lost memories" isn't really any form of character development. Ginko didn't seem to actually learn anything from the remorse she felt towards Lulu. From start to finish they were just "I won't back down on love."

In a really abstract story like this with very little meaningful plot progress, it's pretty damn important for the characters to actually show growth.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@WebTool
It really needed to be 2-cour. I mean, I liked it, but the only character I felt attached to was Lulu.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Bidwell
This. I honestly didn't care about any of the characters except for Lulu and the way the show handled Sumika made me really dislike her for some reason.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

I'm also not really clear on why Ginko was denying that she loved Kureha at the end and was insisting that she just wanted to eat her.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Lord_Tryzalot
She was just being tsun.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@TalkBomber
but from the beginning?
The bears natural instinct is to eat. So yes, from the beginning they've been craving that deliciousmell.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@CodeBuns
I thought the deliciousmell was peculiar to people who wouldn't back down on love.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Lord_Tryzalot
To protect her, because the Invisible Storm were going after her.

takes2long
takes2long

@Spamalot
I may have gotten a little carried away there, but the point still stands that the bears love human flesh.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@takes2long
Yeah I realized after posting that, that it was kind of beside your point.

However, I thought the bears only started eating humans after Kumaria exploded.

Maybe the phrase is referring to the fact that the feelings of bears towards humans are not monolithic. I.e. "Some of us loved you and some of us hated you."

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@WebTool
Life Cool, Life Sexy and Life Beauty were all fragments of Lady Kumaria?
More like, they became the arbiters of the Severance Wall in her absence. I would say the Promise Kisses are fragments of Lady Kumaria.

So the "planet" Kumaria was actually a goddess called Kumaria who exploded? And when she exploded, bears started attacking humans?
Kumalia is love, literally. Without love, there's war, and severance.

And Lady Kumaria looks exactly like Sumika because... Sumika was really her coming to earth to teach Kureha how to love? Or was it like that movie Contact where she took the form of the one Kureha loved?
My interpretation is that she took on that form, because that's what love looks like to Kureha

I guess Kureha decided to become a bear at the end because she knew that even if Ginko became a human, they would still be excluded? But Ginko was excluded by the bears, too.
When Kureha was a child, she pridefully asked for Ginko to become a human. After all, nothing's better than being human, right? However, as they grew older, both Ginko and Kureha realise that, to love, they must destroy themselves to cross the wall. The bear became human, and the human became a bear. This meant 'exclusion' for both of them.

In the end it seems like the only thing that actually happened was they both died.
They discovered the meaning of love, and inspired others to love.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@WebTool
Life Cool, Life Sexy and Life Beauty were all fragments of Lady Kumaria?
Its debatable what they actually are, its more important the role they play in adjudicating the actions of the main characters.

Kumaria was actually a goddess called Kumaria who exploded?
And when she exploded, bears started attacking humans?
That's what they say.

Sumika was really her coming to earth to teach Kureha how to love?
That was my interpretation. Kumaria new the day would come when Kureha would have to make a choice that could change the world, and she came down to prepare her for that challenge.

t's pretty damn important for the characters to actually show growth.
Well Kureha's growth is in the symbolic transformation into a bear that undergoes. She accepts herself, and her love for Ginko. I don't blame you for not finding it very convincing, it needed to be longer. Lulu was best girl anyway.

Maybe the phrase is referring to the fact that the feelings of bears towards humans are not monolithic. I.e. "Some of us loved you and some of us hated you."
I think you might be looking in the wrong direction, rather than some bears hating, and some bears loving I would say all bears had different reasons to love and hate humans.

farquit
farquit

@ZeroReborn
Maybe the phrase is referring to the fact that the feelings of bears towards humans are not monolithic. I.e. "Some of us loved you and some of us hated you."
I don't think so. Having nothing in common with someone makes you hate them, but opposites attract.

Methshot
Methshot

@lostmypassword
I think it can be expanded to a much broader 'us vs. them'

The bear and human worlds seem to be opposites. In the human world, it's always summer, and nothing is more important than friends and being invisible. In the bear world, it's always winter, and nothing is more important than serving Kumalia and eating humans.

So
Humans: collectivism, humanism, and never being lonely
Bears: individualism, religion, and always being lonely

These broad differences cause a division between groups of people, and that division can only be crossed with true love, which includes recognizing that your own way of life may not be the only answer. And, much like in Utena, you may need to destroy your ego to see this.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@farquit
@Ignoramus
@kizzmybutt
Thanks anons, this is helping me get a better picture of everything.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@massdebater
You can't kill true yuri

Methnerd
Methnerd

If any of you haven't listened to the full OP, you need to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSRsyqsyv4Q

I recently got the OST, OP, and ED cds and have been listening to them nonstop. Underrated.

@MPmaster
I may or may not have cried at this scene.

@StonedTime
No problem broski, might be wrong though, just my interpretation

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Ignoramus
Sumika was really her coming to earth to teach Kureha how to love?
That was my interpretation. Kumaria new the day would come when Kureha would have to make a choice that could change the world, and she came down to prepare her for that challenge.
I kind of like this interpretation, but only because it makes Sumika a sort of Lesbian Jesus.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Bidwell
because it makes Sumika a sort of Lesbian Jesus.

This is also consistent with the manner of her death.

Firespawn
Firespawn

AOTY

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Methnerd
You should check out the manga too. It's an alternate take on the story, but still very Ikuhara-esque. And it shows sides of the main trio that aren't expressed in the anime.

For example, Ginko is an outgoing tomboy who's still creepily obsessed with Kureha, Kureha is a shy bookworm who becomes more sociable and outgoing and far less rigidity than the anime, Lulu is the almost same but more selfish when it comes to her love with Ginko. And even the Judgement Bears get some fleshing out where they're actual characters that interact more with the girls.

It hasn't been finished with translations, but still a fun read.

TechHater
TechHater

I don't get what this show is supposed to be. Is it some kind of lesbian bear storm or something?

FastChef
FastChef

I wonder what Anno really thinks about YKA. I mean, most probably Anno said Ikuhara how much he loved YKA in a poor attemp to getting laid but I wonder what was his real impression

King_Martha
King_Martha

@TechHater
yeah, but its also invisible.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Raving_Cute
So far, the manga is way better than the anime. As usual, Ikuhara is a great ideas man but he needs someone else to develope his crazy ideas. It's not like Morishima is a great writer but at least she can give another perspective

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Raving_Cute
Will do, looks like a blast

@Gigastrength
Jesus was eaten by bears? Lesbian bears?

Or do you mean that they were both betrayed by their own people for daring to be different?

Inmate
Inmate

@FastChef
Stupid sexy Ikuhara!

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Firespawn
Trips confirm

If Ikuni actually delivered on the pantsu, it would be AOTD

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Gigastrength
@Crazy_Nice
Ginko is Judas? She got what she wanted at the end, unlike Judas

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Crazy_Nice
Jesus was eaten by bears? Lesbian bears?
Yeah, didn't you know?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Fried_Sushi
Didn't get to finish my post.

I also really liked this series, but I was disappointed with the ending; I get that it's symbolism and all, but I feel like Ginko getting together with Kureha at the end was kind of strange. I guess I didn't understand how they went from "I was a witness to your girlfriend's murder and did nothing" to "We're in love". Agreed with the general sentiment that it could've used another season.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Booteefool
I'd say Ginko's more like Peter: she was ashamed that she remained hidden while Sumika was killed, but redeemed herself when she became resurrected

Mitsuka is a literal Jew (and a demon in the afterlife)

Invisible Storm also confirmed for Jews

@Fried_Sushi
Clearly I've been looking at the wrong book. If the Bible was about sexy high school lesbians, I'd be a bishop

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@massdebater
Nah you got it. It was just a simple fairy tale, but with neat visuals and interesting motifs splashed in for flavour. It was good and it doesn't pretend to be deeper than what it is, and that kind of made it better than all the trash that season.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@CodeBuns
they went from "I was a witness to your girlfriend's murder and did nothing" to "We're in love".
Your typical high school romance, tbh

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

There's only one question left to ask about this series:
Asenshi or Watashi?

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Spazyfool
Funimation of course

Emberfire
Emberfire

@King_Martha
I sure hope there's a good dub.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@iluvmen
Judging by the story arc, interpret it as 'bigoted societies can teach children to hate gays, but the first time you have a lesbian crush, you're going to go after them anyways'
Also, normal human relationships like those found outside of Sheeky Forums are filled with conflicting emotions. Abusive psychotic relationships like the main characters had in this show are definitely filled with strong love/hate emotions right from the start.

That's one thing I really liked about this show, that they centered the show around several very unhealthy relationships while still showing that the anti-lesbian prejudice was still wrong. It also made the point that marginalizing lesbians opens them up to predators in their own community, not just the bigots outside.
This show is really deep especially if you know your SJW stuff well

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Emberfire
I was actually considering watching the dub

@Garbage Can Lid
SJW interpretation
Pls no

DeathDog
DeathDog

@CodeBuns
Not incorrect. I continue to wish there had been more consequences though. Like "I remember you, I forgive you as a vague concept, but I am not in love with you geddafuckoutofmyhouse".

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@RumChicken
I heard Lulu's VA is pretty annoying, which is a downside since she's the best.

farquit
farquit

@Firespawn
@Boy_vs_Girl
It didn't really have any real competition for AOTS, and so far, not much for AOTY. Maybe fall will change that.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@RumChicken
Why

@Evil_kitten
That's horrible. DubAnon, why would you put yourself through that kind of torture.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@DeathDog
Yeah. It really needed another cour. And fanservice.

@Evil_kitten
Damn, she's the kashikoi-est, she deserves better

@farquit
implying anything could beat muh homo bears

@Emberfire
M-maybe not...

Methnerd
Methnerd

@iluvmen
I'll be honest; I liked it without (fanservice). But that's probably because I am an irl lesbean and I really liked seeing the relationships be normal. Or not normal, as @Garbage Can Lid
said.

not gonna complain about cute naked girls though let's be real, dat OP

Soft_member
Soft_member

@RumChicken
dude you're watching an ikuhara show. He makes feminist fairy tales, so I dunno why you're even watching if you're butthurt by the phrase SJW

massdebater
massdebater

@Soft_member
I think Ikuni's work is more 'realist' than feminist or SJW. Like in Utena: in the end, neither the ideal of the prince nor the princess exist, there's just people. Meanwhile, a lot of modern SJWs are just reverse Akios, I think.

@Methnerd
Judging by the sales, only irl lesbians watched this show. Feels bad.

Techpill
Techpill

@Skullbone
No bingo huh. We got close though.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@massdebater
Someone in a previous thread said that otaku-types don't like yuris that have no suggestion of dick anywhere in the girl's immediate future, and I believe that is 100% true.

I think Ikuhara's stories do have a feminist bent however. This and Utena both are very girl-focused, and deal with sexuality/pubescence for girls without being super pantybaiting T&A. It is also very humanist, all the characters are people, and that's what makes his stories good. Making those stories specifically about bias against women/lesbians/bisexual lady-people and the trials caused by that makes it feminist. (I haven't seen penguindrum, so I can't speak to that.)

Either way it's not SJW, because it's not insane, and it's not in your face about it.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Techpill
Only ones we missed on the whole board were Swords, Cows, and Mad Scientists. There are plenty of bingos.

FastChef
FastChef

@eGremlin
It wasn't really dark, there were no people as objects, they're already animals so no animal sidekicks, incest is debatable, not really magical girls, the end is not nigh, pretty sure there's no pink hair, no red haired play boys either.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@FastChef
I would say it gets dark with all the murder/eating towards the end. In the beginning it's cute but it gets really strange. Other than that yes.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@FastChef
It wasn't really dark,
Search evil, and sexy delicious Aoi Yuki
they're already animals so no animal sidekicks
Technically, Kureha had two animal sidekicks.
not really magical girls
Magic bear girls? There were at least transformation scenes.
pretty sure there's no pink hair
Shabadadu
red haired play boys either.
Wasn't Yuriika's "father" a redhead?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@FastChef
No darkness
Did we even watch the same show
People as objects
Bear Cool is turned into a snow-cone machine. It's even on Asenshi as the image for the episode.
Animal Sidekicks
Arguable
Incest
Lulu and the prince are heavily implied at the very end
Magical Girls
Transformation scenes
End is nigh
Exclusion/ evil identifying ranking scenes
Pink Hair/Red haired playboys
Bear Sexy

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Here's my take, being generous

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Snarelure
Lulu and prince are implied
Man don't be like that, they're just siblings. He's like five.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@hairygrape
/ss/ in my yuri?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@hairygrape
implying Milne isn't lapping up Lulu's sweet, sweet honey up there in bear heaven

I'm sorry, no. I can't even joke about this.

Forgive me Lady Kumalia, for I have sinned

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Posting cute hitler

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Poker_Star
Worst girl.

Inmate
Inmate

@TalkBomber
At least it's a bingo

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Poker_Star
It was good and it doesn't pretend to be deeper than what it is

This is a good way of thinking of it.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@massdebater

REMOVE BEARS

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@massdebater
Iku's shit is the textbook definition of feminism, aka equality we're all human blah blah. It's feminist because he focuses on girls but still portrays them as flawed, sympathetic and rounded people or characters.

SJWs, feminazis, MRAs and fedora-tippers are all retarded and going overboard in different directions.

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