Found another defect in the EoE cut. There's a scratch on Shinji's finger. Didn't even notice it when I took this screen.
I wish we all were dead, especially you OP for making another thread, kill yourself.
Look at how one of his irises is blurry, the left one, and the right one is sharp. This is what EoE's film quality is like.
There's a thread for BD discussion, motherfucker. Why did you think this was worthy of a new one?
very funny and edgy :)
Don't worry, darling. Anyone can return to human form, as long as they can imagine themselves within their own heart.
Remember, you are alive, which means you will always have the chance to be happy.
As long as the sun, the moon, and the earth exist, everything will be alright.
So not only are the characters imperfect and flawed, so are the negatives? It's like poetry.
The entire left side of the frame is slightly out of focus. Sasuga Anno.
anno did the remaster
He oversaw it, yeah.
Should've taken the screenshot with subtitles on. I want to see how good/bad your typesetting is here.
This is amazing.
I wish every OST had multiple channels.
Just finished watching Revival.
I wonder if there really are differences between it and EoE
They did fix this particular error when doing the renewal back in 2003, wish they had seen that one, tough.
Not too bad. You really should apply blur to it so that it doesn't stand out so much compared to the Japanese title, though.
Do you have a way to take screenshots for us? We're still trying to compare the film quality on Revival and EoE.
Mostly it's in the better quality film (supposedly) that make some things sharper, etc. It's not like deleted scenes or anything.
Aw shit nigga it's time.
Ronald is coming back from the grave to haunt you for continuing to use Mega =(
Thanks as always man.
Oh boy that's what my 100ish meg Eva eps looked like
Revival has crushed contrast. All the detail in the dark areas is blacked out.
Sorry I'm watching this on a BD player.
I also have a ps3 if that can somehow take screenshots.
Maybe I can go out a borrow someone's BD equipped laptop.
Yea I didn't mean contents.
Well I'll skim through EoE now and see if there are noticeable differences.
I'll eat my toast burnt if I want to.
That's what Sephirotic suspected but he said all the screens someone sampled for him looked better than he thought they would.
Is Revival Disc 9? The one with Death (TRUE)^2?
I'd watch Shaman King again. And if I'd do that then I'd watch anything again, which means I should archive everything, not just Eva.
Mein got, this is horrid.
Is there any place to download that where it doesn't look like complete shit?
Welcome to Kazaa, kid.
I doubt it but the hylia has extremely variable fansubs that improve later.
Is this in the source or there's a problem on the encode?
That is actually a VCD, I paid 99USD for that.
Source. DVD has it too. I don't know what the deal is there, my guess is some cel alignment or photographic issue.
In the source. Low quality/dirty transparent cell for the overlay of Misato's hand casting shadow on the bellow cell.
Yeah but that's what people ripped back in tha day
I'm a pleb and even I can see the ghosting
Holy shit, save that shit, it's legally considered an artifact at this point.
Which parts do you want compared?
Discs 1 and 2 are done for me, so I'm lighting up the Revival disc to see how it is. Should have it by tomorrow morning.
Thank you so much!
Anything, just post caps for the love of god
This also can actually be scene on several different scenes, but not as accentuated as this particular note. I first noticed this back on episode 01. we can see a shadow casting from the airplane as the missile is cut and translated right, there is even a lost of gamma due to imperfections in the cell transparency.
This frame as a start.
Her nipples are the size of a city block
Has anyone here fapped to GNR?
There were a few screens posted in an earlier thread a few days ago by spt, don't expect it to look much better. The photography for EoE is wonky anyway
Now I'm remember watching Eva on 06 youtube with huge pixels. Magma Diver was an orange smear at the time.
I tried crossing my eyes to see the difference between the two and ended up with a pretty convincing 3D effect. Nifty.
Giant Naked Rei?
has anyone not?
splitting EoE into two separate parts
Thank you man.
Also, I think there's an error in the subs here. Not a big issue but maybe you want to fix it for the batch release.
Why is Asuka always nice to Hikari but an asshole to the other kids?
I'm not sure I see it.
Are you unfamiliar with the concept of a close friend?
Those are names by breakfast and dinner, to the right, bra, i.e. Shinji/Misato/etc
Did you guys know that Rebuild actually occurs in frebruary 2018, not august 2015?
Hikari's like the only other girl, do you remember 14 year old teenage girls?
They're generally kind of shitty to each other, and to members of the opposite sex at that age.
In the breakfast and dinner lines, the days of the week are repeated (M T W ...) whn they should be the initials of Shinji and Misato's names.
Ahh, yes, copy paste failed me and I somehow completely overlooked it. DVD subs here. Guess I'll have to V2 this as well, ugh. At least you guys catch this shit.
Before Asuka becomes someone's friend she has to be an asshole to them which would prevent them from becoming her friend, so something must be different with Hikari
Hikari's like the only other girl,
Are there any tv broadcast recordings of the show that exist on the internet? It'd be neat to see.
That's why maybe preview eps here before a batch are good
Please use hugefiles so I can download them too ;_;
Though the days are still off by one.
Sun. goes first and Sat. last
Are you sure that isn't a cultural thing? Japan may not make Sunday the first day of the week. It may be right on the DVDs
I should have probably said that she's the only other girl for Asuka to actually get on with.
Rei's clearly not her cup of tea.
They relesead a DVD boxset at the same time as a blu-rays that's unedited tapes from the TV-Tokyo broadcast complete with sponser flashes and everything, the only thing missing is the adverts in the middle
The first day of the week is Monday, that's why Sunday's in the Weekend, because it's the end of the week.
what country are you from?
Look, if you think Rei's a candidate for friendship, I don't think you can honestly say
she has to be an asshole to them
She doesn';t have to be, but it's clear you have a poor idea of what you're trying to argue here.
I've read a bit on it, yeah.
Looks like the block thing is Sunday and not Monday so DVDs are wrong or it's a "localization"
The 魂のルフラン music video about Asuka and Misato
and has a separate sound stream with SE.
I assume this defect (?) was already found, but I haven't seen it posted. Look at the bottom right side of the shot. Is it dust on the film?
It's okay OP, they'll fix it in the 4k remaster.
I noticed that while watching and thought it was indeed dust but I can't be sure.
Those are bugs from the taiwanese sweatshop they scanned the film in.
Ok what the fuck did you people wanted compared? Because comparing Disc 7 and Disc 8 and the transfers are fucking identical
Highlighter sub master race
He could always make a very minimal style for the dialogue but keep it just noticeable enough to tell apart.
If he's going to do it now would be the time given ep2 needs a v2 and ep1 is the only other one out.
I don't remember how much signs and such Eva has though but Ep21 is a nightmare on dialogue
He's one guy but he speaks for so many.
that wouldn't be on the film, perhaps it was on the glass laid on-top of the cells when filming
I'm thinking he's going to be disappointed, the glow that appears around GNR looks to be a digital effect that's added onto the master and has clearly been rendered at a low resolution.
This is in addition to several other errors that make EoE photographically an absolute shambles.
I wish Anno had focused on making EoE a really good traditionally animated film as some parts of it are truly beautiful, instead of using tainting large parts of it with unnecessary digital effects as an experiment.
That tells me nothing.
Also the EoE files on Disc 7 and Disc 8 are identical.
In many cases I agree with you but then again it's still 10/10 for me so I can't really say I'd want to change too much for fear it would change things I liked.
Have we been duped that "Revival" is anything different than regular EoE?! Or did someone get the disc numbers wrong?
That's impossible. Revival wouldn't have the opening logos on EoE.
They look like worms
The one on disc 8 isn't, we've had a few screens from it before, it's had a different remastering process
Does it have death attached to the front of it?
Post a screen from it.
Rei is a shaman who is mature for her age.
speaking of errors
I wonder if I have been a little TOOOOO cheery
why is that capitalized?
Why couldn't Eva look like that?
Because she's emphasizing it in her speech.
This should do it. I'll take down the current copy and reup V2. No patch since it's just Mega for now. Batch will completely overlook this.
Are you aware of the nuances of English speech?
Because it was done on cels and not digitally.
Which is fine, because early digital anime looked like garbage.
Revival is definitely a real film, it's not going to be much different though, it's basically just the ultimate versions of both Death and EoE stitched together in their true form, like a Game of the Year edition
Don't get me wrong I love some of the more bonkers scenes that're digital like the live action stuff. It's the bits like the glow around GNR, that could have been done traditionally, it wasn't and instead the film looks like arse around a good chunk of her scenes, which are absolutely iconic to the film.
It's JUST like my western COMICS.
I simply LOVE it.
it kills me that the letters aren't more aligned
Shit zooms out, I'm not animating it.
Fucking casuals, I swear.
File sizes being identical means anything
Do an md5 check or something
Is there really any reason to wait for your release instead of getting Sephirotic's 'speed release'?
Andre is that you?
It isn't bitstarved
why dont you just get both you piece of filth
What in the actual fuckity fuck.
We've seen a few screens from it, pic related although I don't have its comparsion. There's been others too and it's clearly a different scan.
the file you are trying to download is no longer available
Has anyone tried based Commie's encodes of EoE? How do they look?
If you feel like it you should try giving it a cheap and quick styling, this didn't take me more than five minutes.
Wait for GJM then, I bet they'll even use tracking for the typesetting.
It's a coalgirls release essentially, only without flac
What you've seen the REBIRTH part of DEATH AND REBITH from the 6th disc, not Revival. Rebirth only gives you like a 3rd of EoE.
Just take a god damned screen shot.
Honestly, I'd have paid extra to see the adverts.
Well that's it then.
Depends on who you are I suppose. I'm not gonna put down Seph's release because he's doing a good job. I don't agree with limiting for 8bit devices mainly, plus I have no problem with chroma degraining, as I find it to be a good way to gain compressibility with minimal detail loss. There's also FLAC and the dub if you care, but I know it's a sore spot for some.
V2 should be up in an hour.
Too late, I'll try to be more considerate in future eps. I don't want to shove the releases full of too many fonts.
Are they still doing it even without RX?
I'm aware of the nature of the various films
The screenshot is from Revival, there's other screens that were taken afterwards.
Rei gave her a cold shoulder when she first tried contact on school. They had difficulty seeing eye to eye ever since.
Tonnes of anime suffer from this. It's just dust and other shit that gets on the cels.
I don't want to shove the releases full of too many fonts.
Not him but..........why? That is what makes for good subs
Anyone have screen caps of of the Leleil fight from Death?
Because me doing this is already more than I expected to be doing just a week ago. It's laziness, plain and simple.
The behind the scenes for the Live action part was a nice watch.
It was nice seeing Anno and the rest of the staff hang out.
But wearing sandals in the snow seems a bit too risky Anno, you might catch forstbite!
I guess it's mostly because he's an encoder, not a typesetter, and some things may get really hard to typeset.
Maybe she guessed the truth behind -The Rei-
Seems like it, just Fyurie stated that "nothing's even happened yet." So it might take forever before they actually release the series.
Post them again. I need to check something
When you watch it the version on Disc 8, do you get a 5 minute intermission between the end of Death and the Start of EoE, that doesn't have any of the logos that appear at the beginning of regular EoE.
Yeah but Commie looks better though?
I'd rather it not be typeset than "typeset" like that. Way to cover up a decent portion of the screen with your dialogue font for that.
Jesus, looks like we now realize no one really wants to make a definitive release of this unless some high end group steps up the plate. "EVA IS 20 YEARS OLD, NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ANYMORE, GRANDPA, ITS NOT WORTH AN EXTRA 5 MINUTES OF MY TIME"
Partially kidding though, RX. But it is kind of sad that we'll get a bunch of people subbing shit seasonal stuff and only a few individuals, not even groups besides maybe GJM?, will take a stab at Eva.
Stop talking to him. He's mentally deficient.
Looks the same in quality but different slightly in grain patterns to me
It's not slightly at all, check picture number 2 for example, I guess that's where the 5GB of difference go.
It's not like Asuka gave up there, there were scenes after like the ramen and just chilling after Matariel.
I understand what you're saying. In my defense, I tried to go "all out" at first by asking Sheeky Forums for the Matisse font before even releasing an episode, to make sure the title cards at least matched. I'm not totally ignorant to these things, but I can't always be bothered, quite frankly, and I never intended to sell this as perfect either.
I'll be more mindful of future sign subs, but I must draw the line somewhere, especially in the later episodes; they're precisely why I didn't sub Eva originally.
Wow I didn't know that in the live action scene where it shows Asuka, Rei, and Misato in the distance among a crowd they were actually mannequins in costume.
Always thought it was people in costume.
Now that I think about it, Andre is a bit of a dick head.
Stop exaggerating already. We already know you hate Sephirotic.
#commie-subs is making fun of you guys.
If anyone here is up to the ask and has the know how we could have some Sheeky Forums sub patched onto it. RX does his thing and encodes with mildly adjusted Bloat as base, anons make fancy subs for it.
I hope they get raped by midget niggers and die!
Hey commie, sub the rest of the series you cucks, and no memes! :^^^^^^^^^^)
We won't have a definite sub for a while. Just let them focus on getting the episodes out so we can wait for something real.
Sorry, only memes here!
If you guys are watching, why didn't you draw a dick onto GNK? Why leave him emasculated while hiding Tusk's shame?
What are you talking about? I'm just pointing out the obvious, I'm not telling you to go and download Commie instead of his release.
So you're saying the user who posted the screens before edited them?
Was going through my old EoE files just to look at the defects posted here. I had forgotten about the Concurrency fancut someone made. I wonder if they or anyone else will try and recreate that with the Blu Rays now.
The super good looking shots were all from the first half of Air, aka Rebirth.
It's a ruse. We've been had. They played us like a fiddle!
So basically they were only there because Air wasn't "finished" yet which means Anno didn't fully finish destroying it with his digital garbage filtering, right?
Concurrency has always been retarded because for one, they don't actually understand where things match up, and secondly it would completely fuck with the way the episode/movies are supposed to flow anyway, making it overall unpleasant to watch.
This is D&R or Revival? Revival was slightly sharper with higher contrast. Not sure if it holds up for all scenes. But we saw a few on previous threads, it was noticeable then.
user should compare Asuka fight again as test. The difference was clear there.
They're from Rebirth, at least that shot of Asuka is, EoE is the same transfer with no differences by the looks of it.
The dream of something slightly higher in quality is dead.
EoE BDMV for reference.
dium more like dum amirite
dium more like dum amirite
Behold our autism!
JAYPEG because fuck you all.
That is different, it's got different contrast.
Might not have been rused.
I love you too.
Looks pretty good. I like it
Honestly this specific scene when the Eva series is being introduced was one of the worst looking ones especially the shot from above their transport planes in a row
Is there an upload for sub scripts of TV + EoE to line up on raws?
Disc 6: DEATH
The shot from above looks like shit because it's digital composition. 9 carriers all moving independently means you need 9 cel layers, which doesn't work because it becomes too opaque.
Guys all you need to do is take a crc or md5 of the files and see if they are the same. If they are then yeah no pics needed, it's the same shit
tfw my box comes tomorrow and can't play with the cool kids right now
Fun fact: Rebirth is a complete different transfer because it's basically a completely different film with whole lots of shit unfinished that was redrawn for EoE.
Disc 6. not the much lazier background than @Raving_Cute
Jesus Christ, that's a serious lack of information.
But the lines are so much sharper. Why can't we have a compromise?
9 carriers all moving independently means you need 9 cel layers, which doesn't work because it becomes too opaque.
It disturbs me greatly that old anime had such limitations that I didn't even know about. Literally the directors and writers could not do whatever they wanted. They had to think about whether it would be possible with the medium they had
I knew it!
Pay attention to the jizz strings
No , Anno would not troll you by intentionally making the crcs the same. That can be done by a manipulation program, but they would not be using such a program
Disc 6. No jizz strings. The cum is also static in Death. It's animated in EoE.
People actually watched endless 8
and yet it still looks better
Post the Dummy Plug shot in Rebirth. I think it doesn't have KAWORU written on there.
Only from a purely aesthetic level. On a technical level it was a fucking nightmare.
So it's either unfinished sharper encode or more detailed with uneven quality.
Do the subs on the platinum Eva tv dvd set line up with the bds?
Use a secure hash like SHA1, and all these problems melt away.
You can be sure the file hasn't been manipulated to produce a specific hash, because all the computers in the world put together don't have enough power to do that.
Sheeiit, that's awful. Contrast kills a lot of info and details.
Disc 08: Buttplug
he didn't rage with Sheeky Forums when E8 aired
Looking back it was really fun how mad we got.
I just don't get how the money guys in charge of that didn't realize it would be a disaster and let them do it. Filler would've been better.
Disc 6: No text buttplug
I liked it but it would have been better if it were 2 or 3 episodes shorter.
you will never be a 25 year old Japanese man bullied into drawing cum for pennies on the hour by Anno simply because you love animation so much.
And this is the shit that was mislabled by some cunt.
I'm starting to like Revival a bit more.
Who knows? Kadokawa was completely focused on the movie and they didn't have enough pre-Disappearance material to cover a new season, it was probably Endless Eight or eight original episodes.
Disc 6 REBIRTH
If you are interested in animation beyond surface level it's actually a pretty interesting exercise. Seeing the same content presented in different ways, subtle direction decisions, the things omitted and emphasized, different framing, different elements, etc. It's not for everyone, but it's a really bold decision and one of my favorite things about the adaptation.
Endless 8: 3 eps, Rest original
Thats what I wouldve done
Why is your shit filtered? Do you have shitty post processing turned on? Check you video drivers. DNR is sometimes turned on by default.
Screw death. Who wants static semen? I know I don't.
In retrospect it really made you appreciate how much shit Yuki was putting up with, which gave weight to Disappearance's backstory.
Yeah it's interesting like that but it just is forbidden for a reason; it will destroy a franchise because you are literally trolling 99% of your audience to serve the people who would care to see the same things presented in different ways when most people won't care and think it is just the same thing over and over--they don't notice or care for subtle difference. It's why something like Death and Rebirth is panned and some people just totally skip it because "it's just a recap" despite the fact that it tells the story in a different way by being in a specific order and the EoE portion is slightly different due to being of an earlier stage of production.
Really? Looks like the first one has more grain here.
Those blacks are crushed to death, it's impossible to bring back those dark red/blue details.
Just gonna test something.
Yfw Shinji's semen actually was static, and the universe simple moved around it the entire show while it remained stationary in both space and time, an anchor where every time line converged, and event that was unavoidable.
Yfw the universe revolves around, and was created by, Shinji being fucked up. Shinji was so fucked up that he created a singularity of being fucked up that altered the course of space time, and proved the theory of determinism forever.
Yfw you read this whole post.
welp. even the png screencaps with the wrong color space from disc 7 and 8 get told they're identical by Sheeky Forums.
Sheeky Forums is a pleb, can't into nuances.
In about 30mins, I'll have disc 8, so I'll take a stab at some filtering. I have an idea.
what happened to zeta v2
B-but they said it's the same
No, I know, but disc 8 EoE is still the version with superior shadow detail right?
Up to 40 encoded, 25 muxed.
There are some differences in contrast and grain and stuff, they're not completely identical although they're incredibly similar
NEVER GIVE UP.
EVEN WHEN THE WHOLE WORLD IS AGAINST YOU
So does this set also include the original Death that has different coloring, animations etc before they touched it up?
Ep 04 at 98%
Tamako Love Story finished.
How am I supposed to choose?
It looks like it's the same transfer on 7 and 8 so yes.
The crushed blacks are in Death & Rebirth which is on disc 6
Would you like a love story or Eva?
Asuka romance exists in EoE but doesn't jibe with EoTV
Am I a pleb for saying I think EoE looks okay enough as it is?
Why aren't you in #encodergasm?
Get on irc.
Because he wants to sub Eva, not Gundam
Although I agree with you, while Eva is beautiful, that beauty transcends 480p I'm very close to just rewatching in lowres because of how slow this is going.
Have a look at this.
It looks like somebody ripped it from netflix.
That's actually on the film itself, that can never be fixed.
That begs the question, honestly.
Same translatorfag as before, I just finished translating another yonkoma.
Well I meant with the current 1080p rips, not the 480p stuff. But some people want it to be even MORE DETAILED, Sharper, Clearer, Better, Sexier!
It's enough for me. Sure it's a bit blurry and the glow is a bit shit but it's alright, unlike the DVD vers which were just too small and didn't show off enough detail on upscale
that can never be fixed.
It can never be fixed because it's supposed to look like that.
You are helpful, you are good, and your typesetting and the like is high quality.
Do your reps.
I wonder if Japanese some times watch english fansubs?
Those are usually pretty cute. Fuck Rebuild, they should just make some comedy shorts. In the same vein of Puchi, but with some decent animation this time.
I know it's not supposed to be razor sharp all the time but it look better if the digital effects had been done at a higher resolution.
Puchi wasn't funny.
You're not funny.
hand drawn cells look so much better in BD. I didn't realize it was such a difference. The rest of the time
STREAMING IS FUCKING GOOD ENOUGH
Digital looks far cleaner when you don't have artifacts on the encodes for the streams. I don't get why they don't just make decent streaming encodes and just say "if your Internet is bad, go to a shit stream of this rather than this one"
cells are analog. they might never have been scanned at the higher resolution.
If the cells still exist...
I'm very close to just rewatching in lowres because of how slow this is going.
Same here, I actually almost rewatched it about a month ago but I decided to try and update my encode and found out the blu rei was coming out so I decided to wait, can't wait much longer 8/.
tfw betterman will never get a tolerable release.
all of these 15 year olds that expected BD to make Eva look like gurren lagann
That's the problem.
The cells themselves were phtographed onto 35mm film, if you look some of the screens from EoE look amazing and have incredibly sharp detail.
Hell even the TV series on 16mm looks great a lot of the time.
Some of the cells look to have been scanned(around GNR especially) and then had digital effects added, these have then been photographed onto the film.
So 4K would easily look great for EoE as 35mm can be scanned up that far and still look good, however the frames which have been put in the film from a low resolution digital source, like the GNR ones, can never look good as their source resolution was too low.
Jokes on you, I've only ever seen TV rips of that at 480p
It won't happen for a while. Even hd cable tv shows aren't half the size of the source. Surprisingly hd digital antenna tv is much closer to true, uncompressed 1080p.
The fuck is this?
When Naoko was strangling Rei, Kaworu's face appears in Rei's eyes just as she's about to die.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN?
2 decades of slow
WHAT THE FUCK
I've never noticed this
Anno can release a 4k version in 10 years after re-scanning and redoing the digital effects with more AT-ATs and ewocks.
[Blu-Rei] or [Commie]? Commie is bigger, but I don't know if that's because bloat of because it's actually better.
It's from Death(and later the directors cuts),
Death's a bit of a weird recap of the series and has some things in it that aren't very easy to interpret, I think it's being used as a way to connect Rei&Kaworu as Adam&Lillith as a bit of foreshadowing.
Do you think Eva has flaws plot-wise? What are they?
Do you think Eva has flaws plot-wise?
What are they?
There are none. The closest anyone can get is bitching about how much they don't like Shinji.
It really doesn't, simply because of how it was directed. For instance, you can't really call Rei standing in the middle of the street a "flaw" but it never comes up again and nobody knows what the fuck it means. You can call this 2deep4u bullshit, or avant-garde, or whatever you want, but the show was intentially "flawed" so you can't really pick out mistakes.
arr rook the saem
commie trimmed theirs
It's a foreshadowing of the events of the series. Rather obvious but not 100% CERTAIN, but nothing in fiction is
V2 is finally up.
but it never comes up again and nobody knows what the fuck it means
@Garbage Can Lid
Even if kommie's ver was better than Sephirotic's I'm not sure I could tolerate the fact that it was a bizarro-res because the blacks activated some commie encoder's autism when it's my autism that is being activated due to his autism.
nice me encode
Those are some tig bitties. Really, they needed a breast scale chart for these characters because they vary wildly.
The series opens with Rei standing and being weird, and closes with it as she's standing on the LCL sea at the end of EoE.
I thought it was just omnipresent god Rei having a looksie at what Shinji was up to.
I do see what you mean though since it's never flat out stated and you kind of have to guess at it and interpret it from suggested things like that physics shit in her creation room.
Rei was her rival as an eva pilot. Hikari was a potential pilot but not to asuka's knowledge, making her a non-hostile confidant.
So it's just making an Adam and Lilith connection, nothing else?
Kaworu, grinning and looking back at Naoko as she destroys the life of a young child. Idk, I thought it would symbolize something bigger and darker.
Maybe Kaworu representing the devil and using Naoko to do the devil's(Adam's) dirty work to kill of Lilith (innocent young child) in order for Adam's children (evil) to spread all over earth. Kaworu looks at Naoko, letting her know she's going to hell, and Naoko kills her self out of regret.
Except if anything, humans are more evil than the angels. The angels are basically dumb animals just doing stuff on instinct.
I may be a little gay for eva, I didn't even notice the tiddies until I read your post.
If you want to read into it that heavily then go right ahead but most of Eva's kind of shallow in its symbolism especially when it comes to actual religion. There's some really weird bits, I don't think that's one of them
I realize this, my point is that by never really directly stating anything, you can never really be wrong.
I know that Rei is standing in the street, but the mechanism of why and how that happens is never brought up. I was just using it as a common example to prove a point, which is that because Eva leaves so much up to viewer interpretation, instead of exposition, it is harder for it to be incorrect.
See: power levels in Dragon Ball. By giving them a number, you can easily see that they don't really compare at all beyond "Dis wun is bigguh dan dat wun"
The scale is there, but meaningless.
Neon Genesis Evangelion is one of the most mediocre animes I have EVER seen.
I watched this when it first came out, and I wasn't overly impressed with it to say the least.
The story is okay. The idea of earth being assaulted by unknown, quasi-supernatural/technological beings is one that has been handed down through the years, the most famous example being The War of the Worlds (which wins hands down by the way).
Ayanami Rei was okay as a character, but what on earth possesses everyone to raise Ikari Shinji to almost godlike status? The guy is biggest loser in anime (with the exception of Makoto for School Days - Nice Boat), and one of the biggest losers I have even seen in ANY story since Thomas Covenant. I honestly found myself wishing he was a real person so I could smack some sense into him. I've heard it mentioned that he is the most realistic character in the anime, and I have to wonder what planet the people who say such things were born on. I mean honestly.
This character is THE MAIN REASON why this anime was mediocre. NERV is a military organisation whose SOLE objective is the protection of the planet, by whatever means. This being the case, WHY THE HELL is Ikari Shinji the main focus of the story? He doesn't want to pilot an EVA, and doesn't want to fight. Any self respecting organisation WOULD HAVE FOUND SOMEONE MORE WILLING AND MORE ABLE to do the job. There's such a fuss over how special Shinji is, but surely with 6 billion people on the planet there would be someone better equipped for the job.
The most believable character is Asuka Langley Soryu, as her reaction to Shinji's ineptitude and cowardice is similar to that of any reasonable person.
I'm not going to mention enjoyment as I've already made it clear that this was mediocre at best.
It's gross, that third screenshot is cutting off Shinji's thumb because of it, how is this acceptable?
Every copy of EoE I've seen has been soft, I don't see what the commotion is. If there was a time to complain it was many years ago.
It looks a good deal better than I was expecting.
I know that Rei is standing in the street, but the mechanism of why and how that happens is never brought up.
Because she became an omnipotent being during EoE that could exist before and after her own death, which is kind of why she appears in nearly exactly the same way to so many people during human instrumentality.
As for why, that's more just speculation, but seeing as Rei has such an interest in Shinji, she's probably just going back to observe him or something, at that point she's basically a god so it's sort of silly to try and decipher her motives. That's sort of the point and a lot of what makes it work so well.
That guys reviews are usually on point and interesting to read. That eva one is very underwhelming.
Clever, you were almost subtle.
I agree he's crappy charater, there's no doubt about that, but he's real enough that you know people like that exist and those people pretty much need to be punched in the face.
Also, the reason he's actually important, is because Unit 01 is the only eva that is made from Adam, and it also has Shinji's mothers soul as its soul. So /plotdevice but it is what it is.
It's like he didn't figure out that their mum had to be in the Eva
I MET SOMEONE WHO LOOKS A LOT LIKE YOU
SHE DOES THE THINGS YOU DO
BUT SHE IS JUST REI Q
I'm drunk but that's definitely a "rekt" right there
What the fuck? Commie's is actually blurrier. Look at the blades of grass on the bottom left
Also, alot of us were Shinji at one point, and a bunch of evafags still are.
Bro what the fuck are you doin?
I think the whole thing about the maternal mecha connection, the entry plug being like a womb, the umbilical cord, Yui disappearing into Unit 01, Shinji's classmates all being potential pilots and all orphans/without their mother, Asuka saying her mother was in the Eva, everything went over their head. I'm pretty sure NGE was just 2deep4them in general and they got pissed off they didn't understand it and so they called it "mediocre at best" despite having almost nothing bad to say about it outside of "I hate Shinji" and some poorly formed, post hoc reasoning in an attempt to justify their irrational hatred.
I wasn't convinced Commie's encode was bad until I saw shit like this. They're not just cutting off blacks, they're cutting off parts of the fucking image. Are they fucking retarded?
Are they fucking retarded?
Gee, I dunno user. What do you think?
Not killing Touji really lessened the impact of that particular episode. There was some "no killing children" clause with the sponsor but Anno regretted not breaking that promise
What is this?
well, this just happened. don't worry, i have a copy of the rips on an external i left at work. i can still seed during the day at work
I kind of disagree. Well, okay, maybe it lessened the impact of that scene, but it made the scene with Asuka and the MPEs way way way better.
I've been saying for years that Commie is shit. How much more proof some people require, I dunno.
I agree, but then again it made the impact of Kaworu and Asuka's deaths all the more stronger.
He bought Seagate
Look at him, look at him and laugh.
I'm horrified at how many problems life is throwing at you when you're only trying to help people ;_;
Say it with me
Lilith wanted to be one with Adam. It's supposed to be Quantum Kaworu watching her like Quantum Rei watches Shinji. Rei I was closer to Lilith than II.
In EoE, III who has both memories, merges with Adam/Kaworu and also joins Shinji (which was II wish).
She's examining Shinji, not just his immediate contents during Instrumentality but peeking at his life for more perspective. She's trying to understand. There'd probably be more Rei sightings if anybody had cared to take more photos of younger Shinji and Shinji just never mentions any of the half-second strangeness he experiences even during the series.
So basically she raped Kaworu
sorry forgot my tripcode. perhaps i shouldn't bother going through the effort of getting you all of these raws
Lilith wanted to be one with Adam.
Then why are their offspring attacking each other?
Sorry you can't afford glorious HGST folded 1000 times.
Because they can't coexist
Nowhere there does it say they're seagate
What the fuck is Mari's pose. Q, Kaworu and Shinji look goo.
What's the point of healing up Rei when you can just kill her and ship out a new one?
When I first saw the series I thought that this is what was happening. I think it would have been more interesting.
How could I possibly know that the drive that failed was a Seagate without being explicitly told.
Gee, it's like they have a reputation for being shit for a reason.
Because they are feral children neither of them raised, most were confused and scared while a small few (Gendo+Seele manipulated them).
Lilith accidentally the world and wishes to tang them all and 'sleep tight' inside of her again and Adam was fucking raped while she was sleeping.
Lilith and Adam were part of the 7 seeds who were supposed to restore their people, same origin, and knew but both lost their memories and were manipulated by lilin.
It was consensual fag.
It's balls suspicious and the transfer isn't perfect.
Only Asuka and Kaworu look good
Gabatte, Lilith-san ;_;7
Have a Seagate after some drive failures
remember seeing the average lifespan being two years
current Seagate roughly going to hit the third year soon
Morality, for one. That's the only reason you need.
Why don't they just kill you user, I doubt you're of any value whatsoever, far less than Rei is at any rate.
That and it takes time.
Morality, for one. That's the only reason you need.
They don't have a soul you double nigger, are you retarded? Did you watch the fucking show?
Somebody needs to rewatch Ghost in the Shell.
Their children have no clue of anything, except for the manchildren of seele and gendo. They are threatened and scared without mommy.
The progenitors don't really have a lot of hostile instinct, despite the indoctrination Rei and Kaworu received, they orbit to be nurturing and self-sacrificial at core.
Ghost in the Shell
This is NGE, you quadruple nigger, and Rei has more soul than anyone else. Super-Angel soul in fact. (Lilith)
Hell they even spell that out for you in episode 23.
Thanks for making it clear you're too retarded to get a cartoon show.
muh kaworu was indoctrinated meme
He wasn't in NGE, SEELE practically gave him all the info he needed in ep 24. Anything else is fanwank.
SEELE practically gave him all the info he needed in ep 24
.....SEELE lied to him in ep 24. Are you this retarded user?
I want that.
They can just put her soul in another body, did you miss Ritsuko choking her out? Why do you think they have all of the spares?
I told you to go watch Ghost in the Shell because the concept of a body being a disposable tool is a central theme of the movie.
Episode 24 says Kaworu is like Shinji and Rei. This is canon, now move on, fanwanker.
Rei clones got no soul, but Rei does. That's what makes her alive and the clones dead.
Checkout what Ritsuko says in episode 23 when she explains the whole Rei tank thing.
Better to have your pet superhuman wanting to do things for you than pissed at you, at least. It's not like Gendo could just lobotomize and restrain her like an Eva, he needs her for conscious control.
What is the point of healing Rei when you can just kill her and ship out a new one.
Read the whole comment thread, I understand, and I'm not disagreeing with you.
They didn't lie about shit user. They told him where Adam was, they told him about Angels and Humans and said Angels were the successors of the white moon and true successors of the earth.
That's a fact, and I don't have time to argue about it.
This is canon, now move on fanwanker. You're extrapolating from a scene versus accepting the scene that shows you the facts and tells you it as it is.
That brings us back to the point that it's amoral to do so. It's causing pointless suffering, for one. You can just cut people on the streets because the wound will heal by that logic, or cause suffering because there's a way to heal it.
Also see the user below. It's disadvantageous to do so.
That's the second point.
Why did Shinji say Kaworu was like him and Rei? I never saw any similarities.
And then in episode 25 Rei says Kaworu is the same as her again.
Here's a dual screen wallpaper I just made from the previous Eva BD threads screen shot
Transferring her between bodies is most likely harder than healing the one she is, but it definitely wouldn't be amoral to kill her and transfer her soul.
It is super easy to kill someone painlessly, if it causes no damage to the psyche it's fine.
Also, at what point did you decide that NERV had problems with morality, because very few people give a shit about the pilots wellbeing, beyond them being able to function. This is a central theme of the show.
Kaworu says once "I'm similar to you Rei!"
that becomes the Kaworufag mantra to apply everything related to Rei onto Kaworu
Kaworufags are so desperate for attention and character that they suck it out from other characters. You're like leeches or vampires. Go get your own characterization, stop mooching for christs sake.
SEELE was upfront with Kaworu, they told him he was an Angel and didn't restrain him. Rei doesn't know what the actual fuck she is and is told literally nothing, if Kaworu was truly like Rei then he wouldn't know shit.
Everything Kaworu did was in full knowledge or as full as you can reasonably get, he didn't fail or go full retard because he lacked anything. He is just written to die because that's the cliche. A plot device, and giving him character-related reasons for that is the real fanwank here, and stealing it from other characters is worse.
I bet that if he even just glanced in Misato's general direction you'd give him an electra complex or something.
Because they're both Angels in human bodies.
Kaworu knows that, Rei doesn't, and therein is one major difference, Kaworu is in comparison to Rei spoiled and pampered, getting to know everything he needs.
In NGE it causes damage to the psyche, as Rei shows. They don't want that to happen and it's amoral to cause that damage wantonly.
I too made one based on a previous screen but i haven't bothered to inspect it for errors
Kaworu says he is like Rei
Shinji says Kaworu was like him and Rei
Rei says she is like Kaworu
It's not a one-time thing, it's something established very clearly for you in the show.
That doesn't make sense because Shinji also says Kaworu is like him in the same line.
whoops that was the original. Heres the one I made
I don't think NERV gives a shit about morality however if they treated her as disposable it'd cause a shift in the way they treated her and would be a pretty big red flag to SEELE and other members of NERV.
The transfer process also sounds like it's probably really difficult and I imagine that putting the soul of Lillith through too much is going to cause some proper bonkers shit if they do it too often.
this crazy Kaworu hater again
On a scale of 1 to 10, how infuriatingly mad does this make you?
I'm a girl btw
Another kaworufag btfo and now tries to damage control.
I don't think NERV gives a shit about morality
They don't. They crazy don't. They vivisect aliens into approximate human shape Moreau-style, feed women to them, then use those women's children as soldiers.
You didn't answer my question.
I want to know how immersed in rage you become when you realize Kaworu had sex with Rei in EoE and you never did and never will.
You got cucked by Kaworu, how does this make you feel?
I'm not. That's why I made a dual screen wallpaper of a female cartoon character that I'm sexually attracted to. So there will never be a moment when I'm on my computer where I will not see the face of fictional character that I'm in love with.
I'm sorry I haven't caught up to what has been happening lately. This is episode 2 right?
Will you still be doing batch releases?
It makes sense because you are missing the context. Why does Shinji say that?
Because he felt for them and considered them humans, which is the same reason Rei brings it up in ep 25.
You could be a lesbian.
He did die in the manga.
Yeah user, sorry but you're fucking retarded. Either on purpose or you're trolling.
Did you NOT take into account who says that and why? In ep 24, when Shinji says it it's because he sad he killed Kaworu. He killed someone who was like "him and Ayanami", in other words, their common denominator is being a living being, angel or human. They're conscious and live.
When Rei mentions it in ep 25, it's done when Shinji is tripping over himself with guilt. "Why did you kill him", oh he was an Angel, "why did you kill him even if he was like me" is the response etc..
Rei acts a little bit like the sobering part of Shinji's psyche here.
When Kaworu says it, he also mentions why: because they ended up in the same human form on this planet. The similarities are technical.
I know this is the blue rei cap, but I had to edit it.
They knew what was up.
They obviously don't care too much. NERV is amoral and we know that. That's also part of the reason they fail so hard at crucial things.
But it's still a good reason, literally good too. Then there's the impractical side of killing Rei because even if she's got this awesome recovery system, feelings and knowledge still gets lost in he process.
NERV might be a bunch of assholes but even Gendo got broken up about Rei being in danger. Misato cries as well, but Misato isn't representative of NERV as a whole.
Not that guy but it does worry me how little self-consciousness and self-respect you have. You hate reality so much that you try to pointlessly bait another user with something that doesn't even matter.
Thanatos ~If 420 gigs can't be yours~
dank as fuck
So guys, in some of the later discs I hear there are some extensive extras like VA auditions and the like. Do you think anyone will present these in a subbed format?
something that doesn't even matter
I'm pretty sure something like Rei fucking a guy matters a lot of Reifags.
Especially when said guy is someone they hate.
I bet Rei liked it too when she took him inside her, the filthy slut.
How do you explain that SEELE told Kaworu the literal truth in episode 24 then? He never showed any signs of being misinformed either. Just because Kaworu is a failure doesn't mean he was set up for failure.
Imagine the alternative, SEELE doesn't resurrect Kaworu and just let him float around as a dead spirit. They did resurrect Adam into Kaworu, and then they apparently taught him things about their culture, told him who he was, told him about the black/white moon and their progenitors, this is all in episode 24.
Kaworu is in many ways representative of the worst type of person, which is someone who does evil/bad or fucks up despite having every opportunity not to do so. You give him super-powers, knowledge, freedom, time, and all he manages to do is attempt to destroy the entire human race.
Image board collection: A collection of image boards and design sheets drawn during the television series' planning stages
Neon Genesis Evangelion Genesis 0:0' The Light From the Darkness: Special appreciation video released with the Neon Genesis Evangelion: Death & Rebirth VHS
Episode 26 live-action segments' on-set video: Making-of footage from the filming of the live action segments of "Magokoro o, kimi ni," newly edited (Filming: Hideaki Anno, others)
170-page booklet: Written commentary included in the laserdisc volumes, includes production timeline
Partially finished versions of the episodes used during the dialogue recording and sound dubbing process (first included in the 2003 DVD-BOX video content)
These might be interesting. I'm unsure just how interesting the partially finished versions of eps would be--like if it would reveal some things about the creation process of those eps or not. Depends on the state of completion, whether very rough or almost done
Whatever man. It's just sad how quick you Kaworufags expose your inner selves, all that hate for no good reason.
episode24 in a nutshell
Wouldn't you be mad if a character you liked only got 1 ep and then died and was a tiny bit in EoE but not much?
How is Kaworu evil/bad for trying to end the human race?
Lilin a fucking shit who are so goddamn retarded they woke him up from his nap in Antarctica and fucked themselves over.
I knew what I was getting into, but still did it anyhow
No? Especially considering said character being popular and iconic as fuck.
Waifuing minor characters > Waifuing main characters
I'd like to know how one becomes Kaworufriend. Do they know about him ahead of time before they watch the series for the first time and are already interested in the character or do they get taken by complete surprise and find themselves loving the character?
It was worth it just to hear the chorus.
No. If you are here for one episode, one character, and if that character especially is Kaworu, then you've got no rights at all really. NGE gave the character more time than it could really warrant and then later substantially upgraded the character with EoE and DC's.
Then especially not Kaworu because for Kaworu it's been a steady incline in appearances and status improvments since the introduction.
It's really a myth that hedgehogs have issues approaching eachother. There are worse species with more rigid spikes though, maybe those have isues.
Kaworufag, please. I dont give a shit. Thanks for showing everyone your true colors, youre a hostile hateful creature that attacks a cartoon or the fans because it denies your fantasy.
They are like Kaworu, blind to everything that isnt their fixation.
Extremely helpless and hypocritical. Greedy.
The latter, hence why his episode became the most popular and iconic of all Eva.
The TV networks blew up when episode 24 aired.
They hear about "Eva Yaoi" and then get into Evangelion.
Wasn't that just due to the death though and its rather disturbing nature? Like concerned parents calling in?
Kaworufag, please. I dont give a shit.
Are you sure?
You don't care at all that Rei pleased herself with inserting Kaworu into herself, technically raping him?
You don't care that she pleasured herself with his godcock?
youre a hostile hateful creature that attacks a cartoon or the fans because it denies your fantasy.
This pretty much describes your irrational hatred for Kaworu though.
Ep 11 is also one of the best animated eps of the show
The former. There's a group of anime watchers that watch anime for the gay shipping, but those are in the minority.
Kaworu is initially not really a blip on the radar, but word gets out there's gay shipping in the new popular anime and the bandwagon is joined.
assblasted reifags again
Absolutely, only the second time did I notice the actual screenshots from the show.
Well he does have one of the most iconic deaths in all of Anime, but it was more likely that everyone was taken by surprise that the final angel would turn out to be what resembled a human.
The episode was so masterfully put together in presentation and execution that it immediately became considering the most beloved and positively acclaimed episode in all of Eva; and Kaworu immediately became a fan favorite.
but those are in the minority.
Kaworu is initially not really a blip on the radar
This is objectively wrong though.
Kaworu is even more popular and iconic than Misato.
Kaworu is initially not really a blip on the radar,
voted second best male anime character of the 90s
Kaworu Nagisa was the second most popular male character in the 1997 Animage poll; 1998 ranked him the 6th best male character of the year. In a Newtype poll from March 2010, Kaworu was voted as the second most popular male anime character from the 1990s, after Shinji Ikari.
that watch anime for the gay shipping, but those are in the minority.
Sadamoto has said Kaworu is popular with young boys.
Would you say they were interested in it for the gay shipping as well?
No. Are you this new? Kaworu was so popular that Anno tried and fail to do the same shit with Mari. That's also why Kaworu is grouped with Asuka, Shinji, Rei and Misato in the NGE Gainax page, even if he's a minor character.
The AR videos are pretty cool, but they dont reveal anything special, its just a handful of episodes and Rebirth and Air, its a pity that we dont get to see 26´ in "in progress" state, now that would be interesting.
One thing I'd like to know about Reifriends is...how do you react to all the spooky weird shit like her having red and black demoneyes in EoE for a second or the MP Evas taking on her face and splitting into frightening abortions of her and all that? Does it disturb you? Do you think it is too far or that it is defacing her real character that she has during the show?
after Shinji Ikari
Jizzes in his hand, kills the world, becomes Anime King.
What the fuck, get this homo away from my girlfriend.
What's the difference between this and V1? Was there a V2 of Ep1?
No, they liked Kaworu. Beheading and all that shit wasn't so uncommon in the past, the censors only became tough later. Rebuild was even promoted first with Rei and Kaworu on a cover.
They are the iconic female and male characters in Eva, with Eva 01 as iconic "robot."
After seeing the blu rei's, the wobble/grain/age damage/QUALITY, I hope one day this'll get an awesome remastering. It's really cool to see what shape the 16/35mm stock is in though. And theres no doubt its of a higher caliber then previous releases.
I'm hoping Anno used this to get it transferred to a digital medium, he's probably hoping to pay for the remaster with the profits. I wish there was some way to donate directly to specific projects.
Which eva would you hire, Sheeky Forums?
Speaking about this, I feel that Kaworu is very popular among little boys……I remember once, my friend’s son, a plumb primary school boy want my autograph. I asked him, “Who do you want me to draw?” He named Kaworu, because he is very handsome. He ask me to draw Kaworu everytime he meet me. He seems love Kaworu very much. I’m very happy about this. But what I feel is more like,“So this is what boys admire boys looks like.”
--Sadamoto, All About Kaworu Nagisa
Kaworu's fanbase comprises both girls and boys, a lot of young boys like Kaworu.
Obviously, this can't be because of gay shipping, so when Reifags say Kaworu is only liked because of the gay they are objectively wrong.
Kaworu's popularity is iconic all around Japan, it is no niche taste.
Just look at how referenced Kaworu is in other Anime like pic related, and all of his expies in other Anime.
Reifags need to get over their hateboner for Kaworu; he was a great addition to Eva and a really good minor character.
the censors only became tough later.
Why is one of the chief rumors for the reason behind 25-26 being fucked due to censorship after 24 combined with budget woes?
Rei to clean the shop, Asuka to beat me with the broom while I beg her to stop and Mari to suck me off in the back.
The kids think Kaworu looks cool and thus they want to be like him. The kids will overlook the weird undertones because they don't understand that
I wouldn't say he would win popularity polls in the modern day across Japan in a poll for all anime characters or something though, that's a bit too much
Shinji not in a maid outfit
Episodes 25-26 were fucked because Anno had lost his mind and he didn't have time to think how to end it after he pulled Lilith literally out his ass in the last revision of episode 24 (which was always Adam until the recording). There was an actual interview that covered that Anno simply didn't know how to end it in episode 26.
Episode 25 he had most of the basics (rocks fall, almost everyone died) but he still had to work on the details of what happened in general. The original idea he envisioned in episode 26 was a confrontation between Shinji and Gendo which I suspect he's recycling for Rebuild.
The only "censor thing" was that after episode 21 the person responsible of programming on a prefectural local network got fired, and latter episodes came to the network so close to airing that they raised suspicions of doing it to bypass reviews of content
in the modern day across Japan in a poll for all anime characters or something though, that's a bit too much
He already does. He ranked #2, behind Shinji in the 2010 poll.
I think in case of Rei, Kaworu, Asuka and Eva 01, their popularity transcended magazines surveys (Mari would be more likeable to new generations), that's why they get statues and bullshit like that.
That Hello Kitty line HAS a Hello Kitty of Rei, Asuka, Kaworu and Eva 01 shows their appeal has transcended that crowd.
And Kaworu is right next to statues of Asuka, Rei, and Unit01 in the normalfag Eva store in Tokyo.
It's crazy how popular he is; I can't think of another Anime character in the history of ever to be so miraculously popular for having 10 minutes of screentime. It's amazing.
he didn't have time to think how to end it
Confirmed false, user. The script was just a cut down ver of EoE
The original idea he envisioned in episode 26 was a confrontation between Shinji and Gendo
I wish they would make one of those about Shinji.
And his own katana. Even Mari got one which she did because they still want to push her for muh waifu trio but she's really not measuring up.
Hmmmm besides myself, who is more interested in finally seeing the tv version of Death & the theater release of Revival?
The series upgrade never interested me much. And we all know how much better EOE looks.
Did anyone ever own the holiday special platinum release?
Right after the Rebuild craze began
Male characters only
There isn't one, I don't really enjoy his character but I honestly think he's a masterpiece of writing in that so much can be inferred about his character from everything else in the show that he doesn't actually need to be in it at all to make an impact.
Shinji merch? You're nuts.
The script was just a cut down ver of EoE
Source? Because Anno even stated the original ending isn't EOE, but episode 26, while he accepted episode 25' over episode 25.
How can it be confirmed false when there's also an interview? Don't you think randomly adding Lilith when they were compromised by the schedule fuck them up?
It's in the notes of the Eva series main-storyline that they presented to the channel. Rei would vanish and Shinji and Gendo (who will have his own mini unit) have their fight.
Now show me one from 2005
I agree it's sad that Shinji only sells when he's paired with Kaworu.
I really like Shinji and it's a shame he doesn't get decent figures or anything.
And now 2ch wants Kaworu to be the new MC of Eva, replacing Shinji..
Gendo (who will have his own mini unit) have their fight.
Holy shit that would've been fucking awful
I don't think any of the Eva characters were ranked in 2005 polls.
They only show up when new content is announced, like Rebuild or when the BDs were announced.
Pic related, Shinji ranks #5 and Kaworu ranks #7
Rei is of course #1 on girls side and Asuka is #6
I don't care about his character, but I think he's the proof old Anno is really a genius. He was able to flesh out and present dynamic characters in a little time. He's the ultimate example of how good and memorable NGE can be, where even a minor character can be iconic.
That's why Rebuild is so fucking disappointing. Anno completely lost his touch. That they tried to "Pull a Kaworu" with Mari and the reaction was lukewarm at best shows he no longer has it.
I didn't say it'll be good, I only said that was his original idea.
I wouldn't be too shocked if he pilots Eva 13.
I don't think it's so extremist. If they want someone else to be the MC of Eva, they wouldn't have shafted everyone's characterizations and have them all Shinji centric. Even Kaji hits with Shinji more than he does with Misato.
To be fair, Kaworu was a once in a lifetime thing that is mostly attributed to how fantastic his episode was.
Anno describes his popularity as miraculous; no one ever dreamed he'd reach the levels of the three main characters.
Mari is just a failure in that regard.
Mari is like Poochie from The Simpsons.
they wouldn't have shafted everyone's characterizations and have them all Shinji centric
That's because Anno just doesn't give a fuck about what is fans want, or else he wouldn't have shafted Rei for 3.0.
Even with the boosting of Kaworu, that's mostly his own desire even though the fans wanted that as well.
It's just that Mari lacks any artistic value. She was added on it for marketing purpose and nobody wants to write her or reduce her to "let's try to make her likeable!" Nothing against Mari who is a nice character, but written badly. In contrast, there was a lot of thought and even self criticism to see if Kaworu came out fine or not, you get the idea that Anno and the staff cares and he has an actual impact within the story which... Mari does not possess besides vague phrases.
Fittingly, Kaworu hums classical music while Mari hums pop music. It's like the difference between art and between product placement.
I thought Mari was humming famous tunes from the 70s?
I read that somewhere.
No lasting appeal ;^)
NGE: Out of sight, out of mind.
Gotta keep that merchandise flowing, Anno
Kaworu was his episode, he offered the conflict, that's exactly why it was foolish to think "mysterious sexy character shows out briefly = POPULARITY", it wasn't that, it was because Kawore was intensively involved with the events of the episode, he wasn't superfluous as Mari.
That pic makes no sense
That's my point. She wasn't humming Beethoven.
Kaworu also had a lot of character quirks.
Hands in pockets at all times, humming Beethoven, the giant headless angel-shaped rock he sat on.
There were a lot of things that made him stand out among the Eva cast, Mari has nothing besides tits and glasses.
Most of the shit in Kaworu's book doesn't make sense.
What a sexy boy Kaworu is!
This kind of disgusting pandering material exists eh?
It gets worse.
WHAT A SEXY BOY KAWORU IS!
Kaworu for all, all for Kaworu
This sounds like some demonic cult
But Kaworu only wants Shinji.
Well, you're not too far off.
I'm confused, do people literally not understand film grain?
That is Kaworu's rape face isn't it?
What the fuck is with the obsession over kaworu
Pretty much no one but either people who've discussed high end encodes or are film students understand it
She is but it doesn't really do anything for her character.
Like Kaworu has some really defined traits and is written quite well, he's mysterious but you can easily put him together after the episodes done.
Mari doesn't really have any proper identifiable character traits, the humming thing doesn't feel like one, it's more of a 'look how mysterious this is.
She's nice, but altogether quite pointless, I'm sure she could be used and I'm sure they'll find some kind of way to write her up in 3.0+1.0 that makes sense, but it will have taken 3(please Anno) films by that point with most of her character being largely worthless, instead of 17 minutes.
Ask Anno and the rest of Japan.
Pretty much no one but either people who've discussed high end encodes or are film students care about it
all these daily eva threads
I'm rewatching the dvds since the wait is killing me and the quality of the BDs is turning out to be not so much better than mpv/mpc upscaling with good algorithms
(I'm still downloading Sephi's EoE)
But I'm glad we are having constantly maxing out threads about the lore and encoding/typesetting.
With Mari, she's basically just there. The plot wouldn't change in the slightest had she been removed.
With Kaworu, his entire episode revolved around him; the concept of the final angel/boss being a human is part of what makes Eva so good and memorable, I can't think of any other way they could have made the climax had it just been another MoTW Sachiel-like thing.
Even in 1.0+2.0, the use of Kaworu was pretty good, setting him up for something big.
With 3.0, it all falls apart and just like Mari, Kaworu is just there and doesn't really do anything. They just dropped the ball on everything.
And also shitposting, but these are just Generals in all but name.
I thought it might have been something about her being older than she appeared, but nope, didn't go anywhere mysterious, she just knows stuff.
From what I've seen from interviews and my experience on Sheeky Forums, Reifags seem really obsessed with this idea of purity and of her being pure and innocent.
They seem to reject and ignore any indication that goes against this idea of her; I think Ikuhara himself mentioned this about Reifags in the 90s.
6 seeders on the 420 GB rip
I went to sleep and everybody was at less than 50%, how did this happen?
The theater release of Revival looks just the same it looked on DVD, I just got the BD.
Death & Rebirth looks pretty cool, but the tv version of Death(true) looks like shit only because the dvd is a lazy job:no anamorphic, interlacing.
Well, Sadamoto did that thing with her in the manga if that counts.
When Mari says to Rei Q, "Your original was a lot friendlier", some people think she's talking about Yui.
I LOVE YOU
Here's the last "Go for it, Misato-san!" yonkoma.
Since we're going to hit the bump limit, please post it in the next thread. I'm off to bed now.
Japan is a country of repressed homosexuals
We should make a pastebin for all of these
Yeah, extra showed her as 16 in 1998 and she's headed for a mystery project, I used to think maybe that later became Bethany Base. Not that I really expect manga to directly tie to Rebuild, where there was never a Yui Ikari at university anyway.
I'm just surprised they made Mari a canon lesbian.
What is with Evangelion and its degeneracy.
Been living under a rock for a while.
Any new scenes/recuts or just upscale with no changes whatsoever?
BAD upscales, at that.
If you have nnedi or ewa_lanczossharp you can already do a better job yourself.
It's a remaster, no modifications to the scenes whatsoever.
It's a remaster
Sorry, not that knowledgeable about those things.
no modifications to the scenes whatsoever.
Everything is in tact besides these three minor scenes.
Kaworu's throusers so dark when rest is light as hell
I won't fall for such lazy shoop.
You have the archives set too?
Last christmas, I intentionally bought an unlicensed, highly-compressed release of the series to achieve that diminished effect.
I would be most interested in comparing the two.
I don't suppose you know of any difference between the Death in Revival and the original Death in Rebirth??
Because the picture I've gathered, disc 8 can replace both 6 & 7.
I just seeded 1.0 GB of Sephiroth's EoE.
I'm the guy who was pretending to be a leech yesterday, so you can stop being mad :^)
R2 behind rocks
For what purpose?
Sorry if this has been stated already, but are there any decently sized, translated episodes out yet?
It looks creepy as fuck in 'rape incoming' kind of way.
Anyone knows which files from disk 9 are the OP & ED ?
it's coming guys
I'll have it on Nyaa as soon as I can