Spirit Circle 38 is out

SniperGod
SniperGod

Spirit Circle 38 is out.
Someone dump it, I'm too lazy.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

OK, but you owe me.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Surprisingly cordial for a skeleton lord.

5mileys
5mileys

@RavySnake
@viagrandad
Such a happy dude

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Best BBEG.

takes2long
takes2long

@Sharpcharm
OK, but you owe me.
I've already given you the feeling of accomplishment that comes from bringing a new chapter to Sheeky Forums. What more could you ask for?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@takes2long
Gonna have to think about that one.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@SniperGod
Why do I feel like I've seen this guy's work before? The style looks familiar.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Sir_Gallonhead
Biscuit Hammer.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Raving_Cute
Got it: You can have a terrific evening.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Snarelure
Man, the people sure to love Fortuna

Emberfire
Emberfire

@whereismyname
Absolutely amazing. The wonders of skeletons are endless.

TechHater
TechHater

Koko just had a whole bildungsroman didn't she.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Emberfire
Deep Rot when?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@CodeBuns
that one skeleton just laying off to the left like a bum

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Raving_Cute
@Snarelure
Oh god his face.
Wait, I'm the bad guy?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@TalkBomber
Why?
;_;7

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@hairygrape
No shit? Guess I have to read this. Biscuit Hammer was God Tier.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

NOTHING WRONG
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Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Nude_Bikergirl
So it's the result from the blackhole bomb?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Gigastrength
No reason to talk about ancient weapons otherwise.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@StrangeWizard
blank speech bubbles

Are those intentional?

TechHater
TechHater

@iluvmen
Rune is a good girl.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Things are about to get freaky if Fuuka doesn't get out of this. Also last page.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Burnblaze
I figured they were just being silent without the use of ellipses.

Techpill
Techpill

@Ignoramus
*Fuuta. Need to stare at my hands I guess.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Ignoramus
Thanks user, you're the best.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Fortuna continues to cement himself as my favorite madman bad guy.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Snarelure
Yeah, I love how is nice attitude is genuine. He truly didn't realize how messed up he was.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Harmless_Venom
Would he really do it? He's clearly a heartless monster when it comes to the masses, but he cares deeply about Koko and East. It doesn't seem likely that he'd sacrifice them, even as collateral damage.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@CouchChiller
Fortuna has not once given us reason to doubt he'd do anything he said he would do.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Nude_Bikergirl
@Techpill
Why does CR split double pages? Could someone connect them please? I can't on mobile.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Boy_vs_Girl
Did you know some of them

This guy's great.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Sharpcharm
Can't be the best when you're the best.

@Snarelure
He's arguably much nicer than Fone was.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Ignoramus
And so things have come full circle.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

God, Fortuna went from shit to perfect in one chapter.

@Ignoramus
crying Rune
I want to hug her and tell her it will be okay.

takes2long
takes2long

@Ignoramus
So wait, is Fuuta looking into Fortuna's life? Or is Fortuna looking into Fuuta's life?

Or is it perhaps Fortuna looking into Fuuta's life, who is looking into Fortuna's life?

King_Martha
King_Martha

@CouchChiller
He just needs to convert Koko to spirit and bring them along. Boom.

@takes2long
Freaky.

askme
askme

@takes2long
It's Fortuna. It's always Fortuna.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Ignoramus
When this ends happily and Rune becomes a human I'm gonna cry a lot.

Techpill
Techpill

@Sharpcharm
@Stupidasole
O shit they have psychic hair colors

RavySnake
RavySnake

@lostmypassword

@Nude_Bikergirl
@Techpill

w8t4u
w8t4u

Thanks for the dump man. Another great chapter. Now to abandon thread before the inevitable Sengoku Youko spoilers start creeping in.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Ignoramus
Wait so... wait...

Fuck

Illusionz
Illusionz

@RavySnake
Thanks m8.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Things are getting exciting.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@happy_sad

@takes2long

I think I will have to bust out my old Inception images for the next chapter.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Garbage Can Lid
holy quads yeah they are

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Thanks for the dump, user.

Supergrass
Supergrass

A surprisingly nice twist on what started as a classic evil overlord story.

I have no idea where this is going next though.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@takes2long
So no timelines, but the same life on timeplane? And they are gonna see each other? What?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

I wish this would get licensed already.

I want to re-read it all at once in the comfort ability of my own beanbag.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Poker_Star
Only one Biscuit Hammer omnibus left.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Poker_Star
But user, you're reading the licensed version right now.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@happy_sad
Multidimensional more like. Looking at various lives that went different from theirs at some point.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Poker_Star
Read it on tablet m8.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Ignoramus
We have been watching Fortuna who is watching his life as Fuuta watching all other incarnations all along!

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Harmless_Venom
now he's going to destroy the universe

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@whereismyname
good luck I'm behind 7000 skeletons

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Firespawn
"I'm disappointed in you Hitler"

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Poker_Star
CR already licensed it

Illusionz
Illusionz

@lostmypassword
it's been a year and a half since Duralumin dropped it
And that was after Houtaro.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Poker_Star
I would love to buy physical copies in English, but with Biscuit Hammer not doing well over here it looks like none of Mizukami's other works will get licensed.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Sir_Gallonhead
Any idea how not well? I read the thing where they said licensing it was a mistake.

Soft_member
Soft_member

GUYS
SO
THAT MEANS
-WE- WERE FORTUNA ALL ALONG

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Spamalot
Not sure, I just remember someone at Seven Seas saying they wouldn't be going for any of Mizukami's other works unless sales went way up.

5mileys
5mileys

@Spamalot
I read the thing where they said licensing it was a mistake.
Seriously? They said that?

Techpill
Techpill

@5mileys
They essentially said that if they'd known it was going to sell this poorly, they never would have touched it and there's essentially zero chance of them even looking into Spirit Circle or Sengoku Youko. Some of it is CR's fault for putting the whole series on digital right before the first omnibus came out, but it still hurts that America has such shit taste.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Techpill
Do people actually buy omnibuses? I only bought them because that was the only available option, but I'd definitely have taken single volumes over the omnibus format.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Techpill
b-but I bought it...

farquit
farquit

@TurtleCat
No idea. I got them since that was the only option too, but more likely they did omnibuses because that makes stores more likely to stock them.
Singles would have been so much better though. Hell, 3-4 doesn't even have a single color page in it for some reason, they must have taken them out when they realized they could cut costs when no one bought 1-2.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@farquit
Man, their 1-2 only had color pages for 1 and not 2. God damn.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@CouchChiller
@TurtleCat
@Techpill
@farquit
Oh fuck, thanks for reminding me I need to buy them

TechHater
TechHater

@Raving_Cute
Yeah, most volumes will only include color pages at the beginning because of the way printing works, so omnibuses get a lot of stuff grayscaled by default. I've seen one or two (Japanese) volumes with color pages in the middle, although the only one I can remember off the top of my head that isn't a special edition is Kumamiko.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@farquit
5-6 and 7-8 have color pages at the beginning.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Supergrass
I know, which just makes it weirder.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@hairygrape
implying you wouldn't kill millions if it meant saving your waifu
or East equivalent

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Spazyfool
I'd kill billions. As long as she doesn't find out, because she'd be horrified.

likme
likme

@Gigastrength
We only have Biscuit Hammer for a completed Mizukami work. He could take this to a downer ending.

Probably not. But he could.

likme
likme

If I am not living under a bridge when this concludes I am buying a Sheeky Forums pass and storytiming this entire manga the day before.

5mileys
5mileys

Koko, pls. Stalin still killed more people than Fortuna, he isn't that terrible

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Methnerd
I would too, but at the very least I wouldn't think of the dead as "meh, couldn't be helped."

And killing his entire universe just because of kininarimasu is beyond horrible.

TechHater
TechHater

@likme
I am buying a Sheeky Forums pass
giving your money to jews

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@TechHater
You are giving them money no matter what you do.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Poker_Star
You can in Italy.
Alongside the other 2 major Mizukami series, on top of that.

It's the only localization i know of at the moment.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Soft_member
Fucking italians. Didn't they also had the Berserk volumes?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@TalkBomber
PMS alert.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Rune's spirit circles are miracles of the universe. Why will they never be revealed?

Why even live?

hairygrape
hairygrape

So why is he so dumb compared to his past lives?

massdebater
massdebater

@Ignoramus
they're not past lives, they're alternate realities, connected by the spirit circle
aha
I guess that explains how they have memories an alternate present and the distant future.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Soft_member
~850 million English speakers
~64 million Italian speakers
Physical editions in Italian but not English

Why.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@JunkTop
localization rights are a bitch nigga

eGremlin
eGremlin

@JunkTop
Because the Italian edition sells more.

Out of those 850m english speakers, I doubt more than 1K will actually get it. I can see Italians buying more shit.

I think they're not far behind from france from being the most weeb country

TreeEater
TreeEater

@JunkTop
[insert usual EU vs. US comics background argument for France+Italy having a crapload of localization despite being barely half the populaiton of USA]

That said, the Mizukami licenses are manly a lucky combination of two things: the publisher is a pretty small indipendent one so even if the number themselves are small for them it will end up profit without issues, and their management has pretty good taste so they can go around and get whatever the fuck they want.
Their line-up is mostly shoujo and BL, but when the branch to other genres they usually hit the mark, with things like FiveStarStories, Bokura wa Minna, Orange, 2001 Nights.

And they've taken a liking to Mizukami apparently.
They've hinted at thinking to bring the various Mizukami earlier works in the future some time ago.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Snarelure
The maid care about Fortuna, who want to bet that he didn't kill the entire city but just sent most of them away.
@Ignoramus
So Fortuna realize that he was wrong and accepted his fate, I wonder if he'll put up a fight against Koko or just give up and let her kill him. Either way, why was he acting so shady and evil everytime he meet Fuuta.

FastChef
FastChef

Koko is worst girl

TechHater
TechHater

@Snarelure
Is the maid the farmwoman from Vann's life?

Supergrass
Supergrass

spirit circle will probably end in less than a year

Fuck

King_Martha
King_Martha

Lost age confirmed for distant future
Fortuna is looking at Fuuta looking at him
Fortuna's master plan is to destroy the universe to exist outside of dimensions
Skeletons can be pretty chill

This was a really fun chapter.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@King_Martha
Fortuna's master plan is to destroy the universe to exist outside of dimensions

The one thing that bugs me about this chapter is that is basically what Animus wanted to do.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@StonedTime
Animus wanted knowledge. Fuuta was just doing things to see how far he can go.

Inmate
Inmate

@Ignoramus
Still pretty damn similar.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Gigastrength
Rune will be born as Fuuta's sister

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

If each of these lives when the soul is incarnated take place in different dimensions, then it just means Koko is even more of a shit than I thought for bringing her grudges to a reality which may never have a Fortuna, or even a Lost Age

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

so Koko started this mess to begin with, blamed fortuna; Fortuna basically took this on thinking its his fault, became a badguy from worst girl being a shit, and now he is watching himself watch himself?
is this the most of it?
this is completely fucking retarded and i hope koko dies so damn much, just someone needs to throw her ass off a cliff already, god damn, this shit is way worse then lucifer and the biscuit hammer.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@RavySnake
So it really is set in the future after all.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@AwesomeTucker
Nah, Fortuna had already jumped off the slippery slope by the point Koko actually did anything.

Fortuna was a goddamn psychopath.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Deadlyinx
it doesn't help that he had all kinds of stupid shit blamed on him by a retarded shit loli that just wanted him to die for an absolutely fucktarded reason.
hed probably wouldn't have gone full necromancer had that shit not happened and worst loli bothered to point out hes being a fucktard instead of pulling this stupid shit.
this is literally contrived soapbox tier moralshittery.

idontknow
idontknow

@Deadlyinx
The problem is that Koko has possessed the current Koko because she's fucking insane, and is going after Fuuta because at one point his soul was Fortuna's

We also note that in most past lives both of them were just caught up in things, or she was actually at fault- like in the Tower of Silence lifetime she was intent on preventing him from shutting down the tower even though they were essentially keeping dead people alive for no good reason, keeping their souls trapped. Or the Aztec one where she blames Fon for leading to her death, ignoring that she was completely at fault for being a murdering priestess. Or the ninja lifetime.

Koko, in the long run, is worse than Fortuna. And in the end he is more or less correct in his reasoning anyway, which you should realize since you have his perspective all to yourself in the story.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@idontknow
i think the worst part about this manga, is that the MC is probably gonna disregard that fact and blame fortuna for literally everything, when koko is an absolute nutter no matter the timeline.
i'mma give this series one more chapter before dropping it, this is quickly turning completely terribly written.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@TechHater
Oh. it's those guys from the other dead towers.

Kind of funny to think they raised Koko, but sided with Lafalle and not Lapis.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Harmless_Venom
Reading it to the end makes more sense, since Koko of Fuuta's time is just a teenage girl with a crush on him while Koko of the lost age- who is possessing teenage Koko- is going to get told hard at some point no matter what

Reading it to see her get told to fuck off because she's dead and irrelevant to modern Japan will be great

FastChef
FastChef

@Ignoramus
So Wheel of Frotuna[/spoiler/

Nojokur
Nojokur

@idontknow
Yeah, a big share of the blame for the whole situation falls on Koko. In fact, I'm pretty sure that Koko is the entire reason their souls are linked. But Fuuta has his share of blame too. Not just for everything Fortuna did, but his one medieval life had him murder Koko for no good reason (when she was doing good, too), his ninja life was just as dickish as hers, and even if it was ultimately for the greater good he still killed a ton of people in the Tower of Silence life.

The whole point of the story is that neither of the two is blameless.

idontknow
idontknow

@FastChef
Nice spoiler m8

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@DeathDog
the problem is i don't think thats gonna happen.
whats gonna happen is the beta ass MC is gonna claim errythings fortunas fault like he has all manga, get his own dumb ass killed, have the other versions of him die in his place, and terrible deus ex spirit circle shit that allows them to live happily ever after; probably due to nutter koko killing off rune and east on accident.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Stark_Naked
Did you completely forget that he knowingly killed tens of thousands of people and that Koko might as well have been talking to a wall with regards to lecturing Fortuna nigh instinctual basics of human morality? If Rei couldn't how on earth could have Koko convinced Fortuna not to to use human lives as literal fuel for his ambitions.

FastChef
FastChef

@lostmypassword
I really don't see that happening. It's not really Mizukami's style.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Nojokur
even if it was ultimately for the greater good he still killed a ton of people in the Tower of Silence life.
What are you some kind of stupid moralfag? Koko detected.
Killing people when death is necessary is bad
No what the fuck? The people keeping the towers maintained were the villians in that arc. At worst shutting the towers down was neutral.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Nojokur
He killed no one in the tower of silence life, those people were already dead. Like keeping coma patients with unresponsive brains alive. In the ninja lifetime she went out of her way to pursue him and his sister as well.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@JunkTop
Didn't the black hole bombs kills innocent people as well?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Raving_Cute
I forgot about the black hole bombs. Need to reread the arc.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Firespawn
Fortuna's perspective is that death is mostly inevitable and that people reincarnate anyway and are used to power the spirit forges. Koko's perspective is that Fortuna killed lots of people. Fortuna's actions are bad within the context of the individual Fortuna, but he commits to them because he recognizes his own individuality as something fleeting- his soul will eventually hold other egos and therefore the death of one ego is irrelevant.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Playboyize
How did you forget about them when they were alluded to in this very chapter? Did you think we were all just pulling this "Oh, Fortuna's age is really the distant future" from our collective asses?

RumChicken
RumChicken

@BinaryMan
I don't remember them being fortunas fault though.
I remember other people being behind the black hole bombs, Fortune got his brother to stop the rebels from making them, his brother failed and the bombs went off. Not his fault.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@CodeBuns
those skellies just chillin
Fortuna seems like a cool bosss

Playboyize
Playboyize

@whereismyname
It's equal with what he did in the medieval age. They simply followed their duty and order. The problem with the tower is he ended the patients life with out their families consent. That was a crime.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Boy_vs_Girl
Run, woman! Our guest has lost her mind!
Fortuna stop, you're making it really hard to hate you.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@CodeBuns
An entire city of skeleton puns.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@whereismyname
Best villain

idontknow
idontknow

@Playboyize
No it wasn't, the crime was constructing the towers in the first place which was literally killing humanity

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Ignoramus
Fuuta is looking into Fortuna's life who is now looking into Fuuta's life
I'd make a "we've come full circle" joke, but I'm too late for this apparently.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@idontknow
But they (the general populace) didn't know that.

Bidwell
Bidwell

So is this the last arc of this series?

massdebater
massdebater

@CodeBuns
How come the cafeteria lady seems completely unfazed that she's living in a city of skellies?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@lostmypassword
I don't see why you'd believe any of this.

@Ignoramus
But Lafalle did. Are you really suggesting that stopping the mistake that was throttling humanity and keeping all those people in limbo is a crime because he should have gotten permission from everyone on Earth first?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Ignoramus
The general populace also didn't know about superhumans and black hole bombs, the general populace is irrelevant if it comes down to the life and death of humanity because most of the time the general populace is fucking retarded

Supergrass
Supergrass

@massdebater

@Bidwell
Well there would also be the fight between them

And Fortuna's been pretty shady as well

And we still don't know exactly what Spacifica is or where the location of Rei's soul is

It could probably go on for another two years

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Bidwell
Hardly. By far we have had 6 major arcs which numerically named the chapters they covered.

Fone
Vann
Flors
Houtarou
Lafalle
Fortuna

And so naturally, the final arc will be called:

Fuuta

@massdebater
She's used to it. Also, all things considered, as long as you're not trying to kill him, Fortuna is a pretty cool Overlord.

farquit
farquit

@massdebater
@Supergrass
Meant to post that Fortuna is probably nice enough that she's gotten used to it all over the years

takes2long
takes2long

@Firespawn
@TalkBomber
I'm not saying he should, I'm just saying that if everyone (else) thinks something is a crime, then it's a crime. Even if it was the 'right' thing to do.
Can you guys really not think from the PoV of other people? Yeesh.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@takes2long
Are you not @Nojokur
or something? Because the claim I'm trying to dispute is that he deserves blame for "killing a ton of people in the Tower of Silence life." I don't give a shit what's a crime or not, and I don't see why you would either, since he's an alternate life living in a country that promptly got destroyed by a bomb.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Ignoramus
he also craves knowledge just like Animus given how he acted so overjoyed of all the shit he had to read in the library

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@takes2long
I'm just saying that if everyone (else) thinks something is a crime, then it's a crime. Even if it was the 'right' thing to do.
For fucks sake you'd make the worst paladin ever.

likme
likme

@PurpleCharger
No I'm not. It's pretty obvious to me why people want the towers. They think their relatives are 'alive'. But they're wrong and the towers are bad. But people don't know that. Only managers do. That's why all the managers want to destroy the towers housing the supposedly 'living' people, and it's pretty obvious to me why the ignorant masses would not want that to happen.

Was it a crime? Yes it was, as defined by the laws in that period.
Was it the right thing to do? Yes it was.
crime != wrong thing to do.

@TurtleCat
You didn't even try to use your other brain cell to interpret what I'm saying, fuck off.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@likme
You didn't even try to use your other brain cell to interpret what I'm saying, fuck off.
No user, you're just a shit.
What is a crime is a crime is regardless of whether it is moral or not
No fucking shit, you're not saying anything profound or new. We are saying that because it was the right thing to do it being a crime is irrelevant and koko is a cunt.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@likme
You're the only one talking about crimes, though (I guess @TurtleCat
is now, too, but he's clearly thinking in a moral sense). Why is it important whether he committed crimes or not?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@whereismyname
I'm saying that it being a crime is irrelevant and Koko is pretty okay. She considered them alive, which isn't a crazy enough opinion for me to condemn her for, and from that perspective she was absolutely right to try and stop him.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Supergrass

this is a good thing. It's better to start a new series rather than let things drag on

WebTool
WebTool

@lostmypassword
I'm pretty sure koko was informed that the tower was fucking with life. In which case koko is a cunt for opposing the towers be shut down.
I might be misremembering again though.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@whereismyname
I'm not saying anything profound or new because I'm wasting my posting time trying to explain to dumbfucks like you about perspectives, while you just yell garbage like "anon you a shit". Kindly fuck off.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Need_TLC
Hardly. By far we have had 6 major arcs which numerically named the chapters they covered.

am I dense? what does this even mean

Skullbone
Skullbone

@whereismyname
He never discussed or even tell her what he think. It's not her fault that she tried to stop him.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@WebTool
But if you think that the people in the Tower are alive, then it doesn't matter that it's stopping reincarnation. People being normally alive stop reincarnation, too, but you wouldn't kill random people so they could reincarnate.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Fried_Sushi
I'm wasting my posting time trying to explain to dumbfucks like you about perspectives
See, you're making the mistake that you don't understand we already know about different perspectives.
If koko your waifu or something?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@WebTool
I think it may have been more "Lapis won't approve of shutting down the tower even if she knows that is it bad" and what was left unsaid is that it is because Koko is almost always a cunt in the most retarded was, as evidenced by the fact that the only reason the story exists in the first place is because Koko has possessed the body of one of her future/past/alternate selves through their shared soul and is attempting to kill someone because they share a soul with Fortuna because accepting that grudges aren't supposed to carry through lifetimes and her perspective is warped by her own ego doesn't cross her mind

Techpill
Techpill

Wonder wat kind of stimulats you have to take tocome up with stories liek spirit circle or lucifer and the biscuit hammer.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Fuzzy_Logic
I don't know that you already know about perspectives if you're just yelling shit. Maybe if you actually engaged in rational discussion we could have avoided this, instead of "anon you a shit", "anon you suck", etc.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@PurpleCharger
You say this dumb shit and then whine here @Fried_Sushi

Are you fucking 12 or something?

Oh and there's the part where- woops- Lapis broke the law also by keeping the former director's superhuman daughter alive and raising her as her daughter

eGremlin
eGremlin

@SniperWish
I'm not that guy.

You're the only person here who thinks that several people are one person.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Flameblow
You aren't engaging in a rational discussion, you're just saying something along the lines of "in my view, going against the law is bad mmkay" and also this @PurpleCharger
which of course ignores that the tower is bad because it keeps people who are functionally dead alive, killing living people to have them reincarnate has absolutely nothing to do with this case, because the problem is keeping brains alive past their due date keeps the souls trapped inside

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Playboyize
grudges aren't supposed to carry through lifetimes
Koko is almost always a cunt in the most retarded was
You do realize you're making the exact same mistake, right?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

I think the big problem is people in the thread want Fortuna and Koko to be perfect characters when obviously both are written to be extremely flawed. All of Fortuna's lives almost have a theme of the right rationale accompanied by terrible methods of achieving it with the cherry on top of almost all his lives make one extreme decision that if frankly a terrible decision that he regrets at least a good portion of.

Meanwhile Koko's rationale is typically just terrible and runs on emotions, but her methods to achieve what she sees as rationale are moral and right, her theme with mistakes is making a persistent one which continues over the course of her life that she is (generally) unrepentitive of

askme
askme

@eGremlin
getting assmad
pulling the "no there are more people who agree with my dumb idea" card

And yet the IP count remains the same

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Dreamworx
Yes and I'm trying to tell you that other people want that to happen because they don't know the consequences. But you are functionally incapable of realizing that, you only want to espouse your perspective, I'm trying to offer you another one. But I think that is a lost cause.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Harmless_Venom
I'm sorry, I had no idea I'd reincarnated and held a grudge against someone in a past life

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Emberburn
Literally no one cares about your babbling bullshit, your perspective is stupid simply because doing the right thing trumps doing the lawful thing, otherwise we might as well throw up our hands and say Fortuna was right because once he conquered the Eastern Capital he became the law- nice perspective there

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@SniperWish
Calm down, I'm not the guy obsessed with crimes. Lafalle and Lapis were both pretty okay.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@New_Cliche
Lafalle and Lapis died virgins

iluvmen
iluvmen

@eGremlin
See? That's why you're not engaging in discussion.
Your perspectives are stupid! You're babbling bullshit! I'm right and it's the only way! Who cares what other people think? I alone exist, and my view is the one true way.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@askme
user, the IP count is 62.

@Emberfire
You're both identifying the reincarnations/alternate lives as the same people. They're different. The Koko who took over her future self is not Lapis, or current Koko, or any of the others, just like Fuuta is not Fone or Fortuna.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@iluvmen
What is your view in the first place you fucking idiot, you've been only half-clear the entire time and have been getting needlessly assravaged and then have proceeded to provoke conflict with multiple people.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@StonedTime
I'm making a mistake
because I didn't explicitly say that the current Koko the teenage shoujo manga protagonist is different from Koko the crazy spooky ghost

user plz

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@BlogWobbles
to be fair that is an important distinction the autist might not be able to discern from context

Techpill
Techpill

@BlogWobbles
No, you differentiated between those two, but then at the same time you you were talking about Lapis' actions and crazy Koko's actions as though they belonged to the same person. You're trying to say she's a cunt in all her lives, but then your evidence is that one life took over the other life to act like a cunt, which isn't convincing at all and seems to me more like evidence that she's only a cunt sometimes, just like Fuuta is a cunt in some of his lives.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Techpill
I said that the reason why Koko is a shit is because not only is she a cunt in most of her lifetimes, but her ghost has now possessed the living body of one of her reincarnations and is using her sense of "everything is always this guy's fault because I've met him in seven different lifetimes" to justify her own existing notion that Fortuna must die, and that Fuuta is Fortuna

I am not making the same mistake, because Koko has deliberately looked into other lives she wouldn't have otherwise known about to try and derive further justification for her eternal grudge against Fortuna despite the fact that both Fortuna and Koko are dead and gone and exist only as the residual memories of a soul which is continuously reincarnating as new people and living new lives throughout time

Even the way she views those past lives is completely skewed, because as Fortuna says you can only see the lives which are "closest" meaning that they would also bear similarities to other lives in that the same souls would reincarnate in the same area or otherwise cross paths, meaning there are probably dozens if not hundreds of other lifetimes where most of the souls in the story never meet- but Koko can only see those few in which the fate of her soul and the fate of Fortuna's soul lie closely together

In short: Koko a shit, worst girl

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Crazy_Nice
But user, they have been.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

You can't kill the brains! theyre still people and alive!
how dare you bind his spirit to the mortal realm! he can't do anything but converse now!
did her definition of "what is a life" change?
at least the tower guys have the same motivations and think the spirits shouldnt be bound like the brains shouldnt be bound

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Poker_Star
The brains are sort of the opposite of East, though. They have physical existence, but no thoughts or anything, and are being kept in their "living" form, but East is just spiritual and is completely separated from his living form. I mean, maybe I'm reaching here (it's a different self thousands of years later, after all), but that seems like a defensible view, that the brains are being kept in their current lives but East is being kept outside of life.

idontknow
idontknow

@Poker_Star
To her, the brains were alive, while East was a soul bound to earth.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Need_TLC
You forgot the rule 63 timeline.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@idontknow
Isnt that what a human life ?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@lostmypassword
Said by a weakass omega weeb.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Emberburn
Koko never did something really lifethreatening to Fuuta.
She might be just bluffing to force him to watch all lives and make him stay antagonistic til then.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@haveahappyday
She pushed him down a flight of stairs.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@likme
Forgetting Sanjin Sadou.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Fried_Sushi
And Psycho Staff, now that I think about it. Well, three gloriously happy endings. But there's sad times for subplots sometimes.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Methnerd
And the one with the angel, but that wasn't really a story and it never concluded.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Mizukami anime when?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@VisualMaster
Here, have Mizukami from ten years ago with less sameface.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Fuck you, anons, all of you. I am now trying catch up to this chapter. Currently at chapter 30.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@hairygrape
Vann's arc made my heart boner absolutely diamond.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Your dream is to open a ramen stand.
It must be nice to have a simple, yet satisfying dream, doesn't it?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Emberburn
There's a lot of Mizukami's philosophy in these early shorts.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@ZeroReborn
Please dump more, I really love his works.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@SniperGod
There are a couple more Angel chapters, but the angel actually does things and his assistant isn't there. Not quite as charming.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@RumChicken
Well, pre-chapters.

takes2long
takes2long

Shit art, the author hasn't improved one bit

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