Is Japanese health education really this bad?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Is Japanese health education really this bad?
Where I'm from, we're taught to wash our hands to avoid getting a cold.

All urls found in this thread:
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/common-cold/basics/definition/con-20019062
http://scienceline.org/2015/01/cold-viruses-thrive-in-cold-noses/
http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/534964/Stephen-Pollard-thousands-elderly-freezing-death-winter
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=51152228
SniperWish
SniperWish

@VisualMaster
A shame that washing your hands didn't help against autism in your case.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

What is that? An eggplant?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@VisualMaster
wash our hands to avoid getting a cold.
You shouldn't do that. It makes you more likely to catch diseases, and I'm not joking.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Fuzzy_Logic
Ok, pal. I guess that's why medical professionals everywhere in the world are trained avoid soap and water at all cost, leaving biomedical waste on their hands when dealing with infected patients

TechHater
TechHater

@StrangeWizard
False equivalence.
People who are already sick (or people who get cut up) have weakened immune systems, so obviously they need to be protected otherwise.
But normally your immune system actually works. But your immune system needs practice. If you keep all germs away from you at all times then you have a shitty defense. It's like browsing porn sites with internet explorer, no adblock and no antivirus.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@VisualMaster
I don't think you understand, OP. Japanese colds are Serious Business, and have an over 90% mortality rate. It is a vague, yet terrible illness that kills tens of thousands of 2D Japanese civilians nationwide, from adorable imoutos to loving okasans. Love interests are especially at risk. The only proven method of prevention is to be an idiot.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@TechHater
If you keep all germs away from you at all times
And you want to accuse me of false equivalence? I said washing hands, not being a germophobe bubble boy.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Methnerd
at all times
Obviously I shouldn't have phrased it like that. The problem is that it creates a generally clean atmosphere where your immune system lacks practice while still keeping open windows for you to get sick.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Fuzzy_Logic
Depends on what kind of soap he uses to wash them. I would agree if you are referring to antibacterial soap.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@GoogleCat
False, sometimes even idiots get colds. Nobody is safe.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@SniperWish
underrated post

massdebater
massdebater

Always remember to hand-gargle

Nojokur
Nojokur

@VisualMaster
Having lower core body temperature does make you more susceptible to catching diseases.

But usually your body turns up its metabolism when it starts to get cold to maintain that temp, and you aren't going to catch a cold just because your head it sticking out from under your bed sheets.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Crazy_Nice
I'll make sure to shit on your hands if we ever meet.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Firespawn
I'll be sure to eat your shit with a shit-eating grin.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@GoogleCat
I lol'd

viagrandad
viagrandad

@VisualMaster
Did she shit her pants? Why is it warmer?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@GoogleCat
The only proven method of prevention is to be an idiot.
Cirno
not ice-cold

Soft_member
Soft_member

@viagrandad
In the episode she's partially covered with a blanket.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Toki didn't keep her upper body warm.

Now she's in a hospital.

Don't be like Toki.

likme
likme

@LuckyDusty
A hamster.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Keep in mind these are the same people who believed that God personally lived in their country less than 100 years ago

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Fuzzy_Logic
it does help avoid getting a cold, and is necessary in hospitals and kitchens to avoid spreading contagions and bacteria

general health though is keeps up personal immune response and with japan having shit genetics they cant handle simple colds as well as other races in general. so having bacteria everywhere promotes chance of illness and then having a shitty immune system guarantees getting sick

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Japs think blood type determines what kind of person you will become and influences compatibility with spouses.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@CodeBuns
And the rest of world just uses astrological signs. So what?

5mileys
5mileys

@CodeBuns
O master race

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@CodeBuns

You now that's just a fun thing like horoscopes and they don't take too seriously, right?

They determine more by your family history.

5mileys
5mileys

@5mileys
not being type A

Faggot

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@BinaryMan
@CouchChiller
4 of the top 10 best sellers in 2008
Sounds more serious than horoscopes.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Garbage Can Lid
more than 90% of Japanese people know their blood type
That's kind of a good thing, in case you suddenly need blood

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Garbage Can Lid
5 million copies
of population of 127 million

That's 3.9% of the people. That isnt as big as you think. As to the soft drink and condom thing, all I can say is the Japanese are some of the most suggestive people out there. You can get them to buy anything.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Garbage Can Lid
George Bush
Britney Spears
Adolf Hitler

Type A master race

girlDog
girlDog

japan cold ain't a joke
for us westerners it is anyway

sterile life over there

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@CouchChiller
You now that's just a fun thing like horoscopes and they don't take too seriously
They take that shit very seriously
They're a bit more superstitious than us

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Garbage Can Lid
Type O master race

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Need_TLC
type O
outgoing, social, self-confident, ambitious, passionate, goal-oriented, natural leader
I confirm bullshit on that o-

arrogant, vain, insensitive, ruthless, jealous
Damn nips and their blood astrology

Lunatick
Lunatick

@massdebater
I'm telling you, that's not going to catch on.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Garbage Can Lid
B here. Only the worst traits apply.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@VisualMaster
If your body temperature lowers too much your immune system will suffer and chances to get cold increases. And if you think that after washing hands you killed all microbes and bacterias and have nothing to fear... welp, it's your problem.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@BinaryMan
invoking western astrology
Look up Japanese birth rates by year.

Methshot
Methshot

@Fuzzy_Logic
That's really only true for routine use of antibacterials.

Most handsoaps don't kill germs, just wrap them up in bubbles and wash them away. Antibacterials actually kill most germs, except those that grow immune. Then you're fucked.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Garbage Can Lid
mao
the humanist
lulz

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Flameblow
body temperature lowers too much your immune system will suffer and chances to get cold increases
The only study to ever show evidence of this effect involved soldiers marching through siberia. It's only relevant in prolonged extreme environments, otherwise it simply doesn't apply.

You're right however that people tend to put too much faith in things like hand washing. If you really want to get sick less a much more viable strategy is to just try and practice not touching your face.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Methshot
Sodium lauryl sulfate is fairly harmful to microbes in of itself.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Methshot
antibacterials kill most bacteria, whereas a large majority of illness is caused by viruses.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@JunkTop
@Flameblow

The best way to stop getting colds is to work in a very crowded place with lots of different people. I worked in a retail environment for about 3 Christmases and I don't get sick anymore because I have all the antibodies you could possibly imagine in my lymph nodes.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Garbage Can Lid
How do I even find out what my Blood Type is?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@SniperWish

REKT

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

A cold is your immune system having a panic attack due to rapid changes in temperature, humidity, pressure, ect.
What people often mistake for a cold is actually influenza.
Japanese colds are actually influenza as well.

It likely started with colds having similar symptoms to influenza at its early stages so the two got confused easily.

girlDog
girlDog

@lostmypassword
Type A tastes like pennies
Type B tastes like nickels
Type AB tastes like magnets
Type O has a very muted taste

Booteefool
Booteefool

Okay Sheeky Forums if cold temperatures don't make you get colds then why does the incidence of pneumonia skyrocket in the winter months?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Booteefool
Because people often enter extremely warm environments or leave them and undergo rapid temperature changes.
See @Garbage Can Lid

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Garbage Can Lid
the common cold is a viral infection retard

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Booteefool
Closer proximity to other people on average.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@TreeEater
No it isn't. That's influenza.

Maybe you should tell Little Martin about how much medical knowledge you know, he sees through all your bullshit.

girlDog
girlDog

@Garbage Can Lid
@Poker_Star
source: my ass

Methshot
Methshot

@New_Cliche
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/common-cold/basics/definition/con-20019062

Kill yourself m8

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Garbage Can Lid
Why is Japan such an easy prey of magic alternative medicine and the like?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@VisualMaster
They are very superstitious.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Booteefool
Cold weather is healthier for many influenza viruses, not worse for humans, plus staying in enclosed areas and kids returning to crowd situations.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@New_Cliche
influenza is a viral infection, therefore colds cannot also be viral
hurrr

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Something retarded happens in an anime
HEY GUYS IS JAPAN REALLY THIS X?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Spazyfool
Even if you take out gods they are not exactly skeptics.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@New_Cliche
what are rhinoviruses

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Sheeky Forums - Wann/a/be Medical Experts

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Bidwell
This is your regular cold in japan apparently

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

I'm just at episode 3 on Umaru and the most retarded thing is: Kirie doesn't recognize Chibi-Umaru.
"Oh Hi, I'm Komaru. Umaru's little sis."

R I P
I
P

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Booteefool
Substances that are around the virus get less fluid and protect them better. Warmer temperatures make them go fluid and thus less protective.

@RavySnake
This. Influenza cold is something else.

My nose is running
Not influenza

My nose is running, I have a fever, my muscles hurts
That is influenza. Influenza have more systemic reaction than the common cold, that is weaker and is more localized.

Nojokur
Nojokur

It's quite common in this country (UK), I suspect Japan is similar.
Like obviously most people know and understand germs and stuff, but then you've still got unsubstantiated bullshit like getting cold makes you cold.
Superstitions that don't really get in the way of modern life just hang on because they can do and it's not going to kill you otherwise.

takes2long
takes2long

http://scienceline.org/2015/01/cold-viruses-thrive-in-cold-noses/

tl;dr: Keep your nose warm and you're less likely to get sick.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@VisualMaster
possibly the cleanest country in the world
highest life expectancy in the world, with a bunch of people older than 110

They're doing something right dude.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@PurpleCharger
the second part isnt true anymore bro, clean yes though

Emberburn
Emberburn

@PackManBrainlure
So? A large portion of Americans believe they need to send money and weapons to a small country in the Middle East to speed up the coming of a Jewish ghost who will split the sky and take them to paradise.

At least believing you have your own unique God is good for a country.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Garbage Can Lid
Most Americans gobble up the depression/anxiety/ADHD/autism craze, even though most of that is bullshit.

At least the blood types have a positive effect on your mentality.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Need_TLC
Although you're not always conscious in that situation.

Soldiers will sometimes get their type tattooed for this reason.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Gigastrength
the second part isnt true anymore bro
Actually, it still is.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Burnblaze
bullshit
Oh, yeah, it's not like they're rigorously defined in the DSM IV or anything.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@New_Cliche
Why do so many Americans come up with complete pseudoscience, and get so defensive of it?

This is what happens when and underclass gains rapid access to education and is told that everyone is equal. Your great-grandparents probably couldn't even read.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@lostmypassword
I remember asking the blood guy how much it would cost to know my blood type because insurance wouldn't cover it and I remember getting angry it was around 25 to 45 dollars or something.

Fucking greedy scum.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@New_Cliche
Murrican detected.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@SniperWish
I bet you believe vaccines cause autism.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@CouchChiller
Someone is acting retarded
DAMN AMERICANS!
and americans are the ones who always stereotype? Ok

King_Martha
King_Martha

What do you guys do when you get colds?

You know what I do.

I eat as much wasabi as I can or find excuses to eat food with wasabi.

I don't know if it's a good idea or not but I like how the wasabi temporarily makes my nose normal by unclogging it and I kind of imagine the wasabi killing my cold even though it likely can't do that in reality but it makes me feel better.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@SniperWish
it can't be bullshit if it's in a book

I'm not saying they don't exist, but the majority of it is poor upbringing, environment, and people choosing to blame something external so they don't have to improve.

But whatever, keep paying Dr. Shekelstein for his professional advice and prescription drugs if that's what makes you happy.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Fried_Sushi
The guy who wrote that was American.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@King_Martha
I do the same, but with green chili. After a breakfast burrito my sinuses are cleared and I can continue my day as normal.
I believe the that not being clogged down by symptoms eases one's stress and provides a small boost to the immune system.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@CouchChiller
How do you treat autism?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@lostmypassword
@SniperWish
Just go donate blood you idiots, they give you that information for free and you get money out of it.
Also AB master race.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

So what about the Plus and Minus signs that are included in your Blood Type?

Are the Plus and Minus signs important?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@CouchChiller
Yeah, and all those controlled and double blinded clinical trials that prove the efficacy and the very real impact on quality of life of those meds are a company by big pharma. TCAs can't melt steel minds.

I'm not saying there aren't misdiagnoses and (in a free market system) medicalization of non medical issues so the shrink can justify billing you some more, but claiming these issues don't exist except as a construct of a conspiracy is extremely backwards.

idontknow
idontknow

@Spamalot
not even mentioning the free apple juice and pretzels
Do you even little girl

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Harmless_Venom
Did you even read that post?

Techpill
Techpill

@PurpleCharger
Rhesus factor. Basically if you have the Rh protein markers on your blood or not. Its not as important.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Anon it's too cold to be out here without a jacket, you'll get sick.
Anon you can't be working with wet shoes, you'll get sick
Why are people so retarded?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@CouchChiller
Severe autism? Alternative education, round the clock monitoring to make sure the person doesn't hurt themself, medication to alleviate some symptoms.

Someone who's slightly awkward, reticent, would rather play Final Fantasy than football? Authorities should ignore the situation entirely.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@PurpleCharger
Blood polarity, reverses the lists of positive and negative traits.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@CouchChiller
Where do they fall on the spectrum? Everything is about risk versus benefit.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Dreamworx
@Bidwell
Since they are just childs taking a game too far I was expecting something like a beating.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@iluvmen
If you believe you won't improve without the medicine, you won't. The people who choose to take part in those clinical trials already trust in the system.

The whole thing really a consequence of the decline in faith.

We are implicitly taught that life has no greater purpose and that the body and mind are unpredictable and dangerous, and we need professionals to keep our bodies under control.

askme
askme

@LuckyDusty
Just pray to jeezus, all will be right with the world
Okay bud.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@VisualMaster

I masturbate daily and drink energy drinks. I haven't had a cold in years.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@LuckyDusty
That doesnt make sense. In a hypothetical successful phase 3 trial, all participants of the trial signed up because they trust in the system, and the positive outcomes are when the intervention group with the real drugs show more improvement than the control arm with the placebo. Bearing in mind the trial is double blinded and all the participants have faith. Even with the blindest of trust the drugs need to actually work.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@askme
Strawman.

Did I dismiss modern medicine entirely? No.

Being religious and praying have been shown to have psychological and physiological benefits. Even people with terminal illnesses like cancer have been shown to live longer if they are religious.

Inmate
Inmate

@PackManBrainlure
If you can't think of the reason for that, then you truly are retarded enough to be religious.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I don't wash my hands ever.
I work in a hospital, and I can't remember the last time I was sick.
The best way to prevent colds is to be lucky.

massdebater
massdebater

@BlogWobbles
More like avoid people who have colds.

All the times I caught a cold in my lifetime was from classmates or strangers.

Now imagine, if people stayed home when they caught a cold, I wouldn't have caught the cold in the first place.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@PackManBrainlure
Spirituality hasn't been dismissed by modern medicine either. You mention terminal illnesses, and the fact is that inthe field of palliative care healthcare professionals (at least where I'm from) are trained to take into account not just the patient's physical, psychological, and social and economic needs, but also their spiritual needs. They do understand the impact this can have on a patient in end of life care.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@massdebater
I regularly hang around people who get sick, and don't get sick.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@BlogWobbles
working in a hospital
not washing your hands ever
Your hospital has really bad infection control policies.

Inmate
Inmate

@VisualMaster
he doesn't know that the cold gives you colds
Tard

@Nude_Bikergirl
All soap is antibacterial holy fuck this board is dumb

idontknow
idontknow

@BlogWobbles
you mean you work as a valet at a hospital? or the finance department?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Evil_kitten
They don't give a shit about security washing their hands.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

In japan, hygiene is like second nature, telling the children to wash their hands is like an insult.

It's like telling you to breathe.

So actually their health education is just too advanced for OP to understand.

eGremlin
eGremlin

I don't get it. If your body is wet, it makes you more likely to get a cold. I thought that was common knowledge.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Crazy_Nice
Your hands are the only route through which bacteria, viruses, protozoa, fungi, prions and parasites enter your body

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Emberburn
Even so not washing your hands before you eat is disgusting.

askme
askme

@VisualMaster
Thats retarded
Umaru had only her head poking out.
If she got a cold from that, then she'd get a cold from sleeping in bed with her head exposed on her pillow.

Do japs sleep with their blankets over their heads?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Emberfire
Spirituality has been dismissed as a viable medical treatment. It hasn't been dismissed as a crutch though, because that's literally what it is

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Booteefool
Make me faggot, I haven't washed just my hands by themselves in at least a year. The last time I was sick was 2 years ago.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@BlogWobbles
5 year old niece
doesn't wash her hands after pissing, shitting, or ever

I fucking hate kids

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Umaru's warmest place

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Nude_Bikergirl
her minuscule legs

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@SniperWish
<3 you user. should have /thread'd

Techpill
Techpill

@hairygrape
It's not a medical treatment, but if your patient is a believer then them speaking to their pastor or a hospital chaplain or someone can have a tangible effect on their mental state and thus quality of life. In a holistic view of patient care and well being, this matters.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@BunnyJinx
The parts of the body that comes in contact with other things more often are your hands.

@Deadlyinx
You live in a place that has hygienic public places, not because it's a myth that washing your hands makes you less prone to catching illnesses.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Soft_member
lthough you're not always conscious in that situation.
You can have it say on your driver's license.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@PurpleCharger
Make her wash her hands then.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@GoogleCat
That's just not true.
The most deadly disease of all time was a protozoic parasite.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@lostmypassword

Ask you mom.

No seriously, they generally know

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

What if diseases were cute anime girls?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Harmless_Venom
Not sure how your post contradicts what he said.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Deadlyinx
Your hospital must have excellent infection control policies.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@BunnyJinx
On the other hand, your hands are the parts of your body that most often contact the environment and then go on to contact your mucous membranes.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Deadlyinx
Well, Ebola-chan is a thing.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@LuckyDusty
Ebola-chan is die ;_;

Methshot
Methshot

@DeathDog
I'm not saying the drugs can't have positive benefits.

I'm saying that many of the problems they are prescribed for could just as easily be alleviated with a change in mindset, yet the people who take the drugs probably believe that isn't a possibility.

Even the group that gets the real drug can have a placebo effect on top of it.

It's just depressing (no pun intended) how locked into this system so many people are.

@Inmate
The reason they live longer is because of a support network at their place of worship, combined with probably having a larger family. Cultures with strong family ties like Latinos or Arabs tend to be more religious.

WebTool
WebTool

@lostmypassword
Passport.
Public health papers.

@VisualMaster
Japanese doctors have so high social standing, and they have migrated from Shinto since the 1940s.
They have to go somewhere, and doctors being asshole Atheists does not help one bit.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@VisualMaster
Tradition of animistic Shinto and geographical and cultural proximity to China the mecca of alternative medicines

massdebater
massdebater

@JunkTop
It's only relevant in prolonged extreme environments
Cold floor.
Cold cellars.

@King_Martha
Survive trough the winter.
Fuck colds.

TechHater
TechHater

I never get sick, it's wierd

I haven't actually gotten sick in like 8 years. Maybe it's because I constantly expose myself to germs

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

If you don't do it I will.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Lord_Tryzalot
Thats not how it works.

implying viruses and bacteria don't mutate
Even a single season change is enough for viruses and bacteria to change enough for your antibodies to no recognize them anymore.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Carnalpleasure
Lungs constantly bringing microorganisms
Skin barrier is far from perfect
Ears
Eyes
Food and drink
Insects

Sure hands are a large infection pathway, but far from the only one.

@TechHater
I bet you have you just forget the occasional sniffle

Supergrass
Supergrass

@SomethingNew

They have to be because their actual medical industry is fucking SHIT.

You can't even get antihistamines for allergies in that country because "you might get addicted". Fuck you nips, it's ragweed season and everyone is suffering as much as me.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@BlogWobbles
Forgot sexual, not that it's a common infection pathway on Sheeky Forums

massdebater
massdebater

@askme
Her head is a little over a third of her total body mass.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@askme
What is placebo

Emberburn
Emberburn

@massdebater
It's got to be closer to 50%

Flameblow
Flameblow

@hairygrape
Spirituality has been dismissed as a viable medical treatment.
Medical treatment means you have a problem that won't go away.
For short term diseases(week to month), the best thing is to have a treatment plan, and no hardcore drugs.

Then again, we live in a age of getting painkillers over the counter. Which is nice, because weak muscle pain only needs hours to go away if the muscle lets go.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Poker_Star
They are discussing mental illness.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Techpill
I literally said it was a crutch, which is how the medical community views it. If it makes you feel better emotionally then by all means, so long as it isn't physically harmful.

@Flameblow
What?

@SniperWish
DSM IV
Psychopath checklist has both "lack of remorse" and "cunning/manipulative" on it.
Easy to interpret someone saying they're remorseful for a malicious act as being "cunning/manipulative" and therefore having "lack of remorse".

Psychiatry as a field is one of the greatest medical shams of all time, especially in the states.

I'm not suggesting mental illnesses are all fake though.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Supergrass
Over the counter or prescription? I'd like to think a trained medical professional would know that antihistamines aren't addictive substances.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Supergrass
They're not all wrong though.

American pill popping culture helps prevent allergies from disappearing naturally, which is why Americans have them more than other countries.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@VisualMaster
Nips get super colds because they don't keep indoor temps regulated in the winter. They literally turn off the heat at night and then turn it on in the morning to save electricity. The idea is you're in bed and the residual heat is enough while you go to sleep but it still means it's ice cold by the middle of the night.

Also poorfag nips will use the kotatsu as a primary heat source in some regions with a kerosene heater as backup. Centralized HVAC isn't as common there as you think.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Gigastrength
in the states
yes user, the not american ICD-10 mental disease definitions is so much better and not a scam like the American DSM

Evilember
Evilember

@Supergrass
antihistamines for allergies
That's a complete lie though. I went with my friend who suffers from hayfever and he got some over the counter no problem.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Carnalpleasure
Trust me, the average 4channer's keyboard is dirty enough that they'll come into contact with plenty of stuff no matter how often they wash their hands

Seriously user turn your keyboard upside town and shake it a little

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Stark_Naked
Nips get sick less often than we do. Being sick often and missing work is much more frowned upon there than here.

And at night they use heated blankets, which work just as well.

Seriously, they're not some pussy race as far as health goes. Their ancestral homeland in north east Asia is one of the coldest inhabited parts of the world, and the Japanese live longer than any other country.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Soft_member
a heated blanket has nothing to do with getting sick. and they live the longest because of genetics and diet.

askme
askme

@Methnerd
He/she means that people in the US are more susceptible to abuses of psychiatry than other countries, for cultural and social reasons.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Nojokur
Having lower core body temperature does make you more susceptible to catching diseases.

The core body temperature doesn't change by any measurable amount unless you are already sick.
Hypothermia is defined at just 2C below normal. Shivering starts at just 1C below normal.

Body temperature is highly regulated. A cold virus is not any more likely to infect you if you are warm or cold. The only factors that matter is the strain of the virus and how effective your immune system is. Given that fully body shivering starts at 1C below normal most people are more worried about freezing to death if they are shivering to produce body.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Soft_member
They get sick way more than most 1st world countries. Especially autoimmune diseases nowadays, although the USA is still in the vanguard there.

They live the longest because of genetics and generally healthy diets. In 20-30 years we'll probably see a comparable drop in life expectancy due to the more modern diet introduced by foreign countries.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Flameblow
In 20-30 years we'll probably see a comparable drop in life expectancy due to the more modern diet introduced by foreign countries.
God bless America

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Soft_member
So why does the common cold kill so many more of them than any western nation? I believe the next country with the most cold death is Egypt.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Nojokur
Gotta fatten them nips up.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Dreamworx
So why does the common cold kill so many more of them than any western nation?

Do you have a source for that?

I find that hard to believe that anyone regularly dies from the common cold in one of the most developed countries in the world.

5mileys
5mileys

@VisualMaster
In the West we have had the benefit of 200 years of germ theory in medicine, and before that somewhat science-based medicine. Meanwhile Asian "medicine" was (and still is, see: snorting tiger testicle powder for lucky long sex time) based on vitalism and complete quackery.

Among this quackery is the notion that there's body energy that's related to the breath. Chinese traditional medicine recommends to avoid cold drinks. There's the crazy Korean fan paranoia that's due to woo about air energy.

It is less a health education issue and more a cultural issue. Hopefully it will die out in the next 100 years.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Dreamworx
Source?
If true, are common colds a western/caucasian disease? If so could explain it.

Also their common cold could be caused by different, more dangerous viruses

Supergrass
Supergrass

@VisualMaster
Is Japanese health education really this bad?
Bongland isn't doing much better.
http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/534964/Stephen-Pollard-thousands-elderly-freezing-death-winter
every winter 25,000 older people in England and Wales die because of the cold. That’s 206 people a day.

NHS doesn't mean shit when you can't afford the electric bill.

idontknow
idontknow

@BlogWobbles
Sure hands are a large infection pathway, but far from the only one.
Yes, that was kind of the point.
The post you responded to literally pointed out that "at all times" was the wrong phrasing.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Dreamworx
Shitty immune systems; a result of doting parents and a culture obsessed with cleanliness.

Basically there's hygiene and then there's sterility.
Living in an unhygienic environment is bad for your health, but living in a sterile one is worse. A lax immune system is one that can't respond properly when a real threat comes along; so don't wash your hands before eating, and encourage your children to play in dirt/mud, because your macrophages, neutrophils and B/T-cells need practice if they're to fight ebola-chan.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@5mileys
Japan has been on par with Western nations scientifically since the late 19th century.

The stuff you mentioned is more common in China and Korea because of poverty and lack of education.

Some superstitions still exist in Japan, but they don't impede the progress of modern medicine, in which Japan conducts some of the best research in the world.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Flameblow
Medical treatment means you have a problem that won't go away.
Wrong. You are misinformed.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Gigastrength
The abuses and mistakes in psychiatric diagnoses are part of why we have guidelines and definitions such as the DSM. It's not perfect but it's a real step up from blind guesswork.
I'd wager it works better in countries with a public healthcare system where diagnosing someone with a mental illness doesn't pad out the doctor's bank account but rather causes a further drain on the health services, so they're less inclined to slap a diagnosis on someone who doesn't fit the definitions as well and have more of an incentive to get their patients on the lowest level of intervention possible that still allows them to live a normal life.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Dreamworx
When everyone gets really old, everyone dies to shitty weak common diseases.

That and good isolation isn't really a thing. Combined with low humidity everywhere.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@VisualMaster
Because what Japan calls the cold we call the Flu.

takes2long
takes2long

@idontknow
That's a definition problem, not an actual problem with colds.

Oh that old dude died.
What of?
He was OLD.
Can't put that into the form.
Just write "Cold" or something.

massdebater
massdebater

@VisualMaster
Is Japanese health education really this bad?

Only in the anime.

A lot of japanese health education involves not spreading germs to others. Thus keeping clean is good. If your hands are dirty, you don't grab at other peoples' belongings is what I have heard too. You rarely see people wear masks in anime but in Japan, many people wear masks if they are sick. That avoids coughing the droplet mist out onto other people.

In the USA, people often cough onto others as they don't even cover their mouths. In the USA, people cough right onto desks, buffet food trays, and of course books they borrow. That's because in the USA, thinking about others in your community is taught to be a bad thing by republican party mantra. Community is communism and that three word phrase was used in the past 3 of 4 republican presidential elections by the republican party candidates. In the USA, people with dirty hands regularly touch other things all the time. By dirty, I mean genuinely dirty such as greasy after eating food with hands or wiping butt. I like to wash my hands frequently wherever I go, and there's been many times I see someone exiting a public restroom stall and then leave the restroom without washing their hands.

Detective Conan anime is the one anime that has the most use of masks of all the anime shows. It seems to try for verisimilitude to parts of japanese society and culture as long as that doesn't get in the way of the plot.

Picture: Attack on Titan cleaning kit

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@idontknow
Oh.

I think this guy's right though.
@Need_TLC

It probably has to do with Japan's extremely large old population. If you're 105 a bad cold is exactly the kind of thing that will do you in. I doubt people in their 20s are dying from colds.

The other countries on that list are mostly underdeveloped or have no experience with cold weather.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Illusionz
Why would be wrong? Most medical treatment is for short term problems, or speeding up recovery of potentially fatal diseases.
Mending(bones, sitching wounds, etc), and retraining is also important.

Occasionally doctors do see stuff thats actually nasty, and have to send to a more central hospital, or prescribe medicine and do checkups.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@idontknow
Egypt I can see because of the extremely high concentration of population in the two major cities and the horrible air pollution combined with dryness and high sand volume in the air. Recipe for upper respiratory issues. Plus a significant part of Cairo is pretty much a slum.

Japan no idea though. Would have to check the figures in more detail. For example, old and young are at much higher risk, so maybe because Japan has an older average population they're more at risk. Or like I said before could be that their immune systems are less capable of dealing with common colds due to the origins of a lot of the viral causes. Or the main viral causes of common colds in Japan are different viruses than those in the western world

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Raving_Cute
Old people die from common colds. When you age you grow weaker but something still has to deal the killing blow. In the US it's more often heart issues, in Japan they have better heart health so they live a couple of years longer on average, become a little bit weaker during that time, and then die to something like the common cold.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Harmless_Venom
and have to send to a more central hospital, or prescribe medicine and do checkups.
Those are literally medical treatments

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Harmless_Venom
Most medical treatment is for short term
How does that make the meds a problem that won't go away? Am I completely misunderstanding something?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@TreeEater
Exposure to cold and respiratory tract infections.
Mourtzoukou EG1, Falagas ME.

Abstract

There is a constant increase in hospitalizations and mortality during winter months; cardiovascular diseases as well as respiratory infections are responsible for a large proportion of this added morbidity and mortality. Exposure to cold has often been associated with increased incidence and severity of respiratory tract infections. The data available suggest that exposure to cold, either through exposure to low environmental temperatures or during induced hypothermia, increases the risk of developing upper and lower respiratory tract infections and dying from them; in addition, the longer the duration of exposure the higher the risk of infection. Although not all studies agree, most of the available evidence from laboratory and clinical studies suggests that inhaled cold air, cooling of the body surface and cold stress induced by lowering the core body temperature cause pathophysiological responses such as vasoconstriction in the respiratory tract mucosa and suppression of immune responses, which are responsible for increased susceptibility to infections. The general public and public health authorities should therefore keep this in mind and take appropriate measures to prevent increases in morbidity and mortality during winter due to respiratory infections.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@takes2long
Pneumonia really is a major cause of death in old age by "natural causes" though.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Stupidasole
The other countries on that list are mostly underdeveloped or have no experience with cold weather.
Which makes the theory kind of wonky. Why don't Scandinavia or Canada have a problem with cold related deaths?
Denmark: 4
Japan 184

farquit
farquit

@Sharpcharm
Meds is good for you.
Meds has no purpose beyond suffering reduction if you are only going to be sick for 1-3 days anyhow.
Meds is very good for you because there exists a lot of life crippling shit out there, and you want to get rid of it.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Evil_kitten
Those countries have infrastructure in place to deal with it

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Harmless_Venom

Most medical treatment is for high blood pressure, and you usually take those pills for the rest of your life.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Evil_kitten
We have different words for cold, flu, lung diseases, and coughing.
That helps.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@massdebater
It's not just a Republican/Democrat thing. A lot of Christian groups that encourage empathy are Republican leaning, and a lot of Democrats encourage tension between men and women, blacks and whites, and rich and poor.

The reason there is such a strong sense of respect in Japan is because it's made up of one race that shares a common history.

Most other countries have had a greater amount of war, slavery, rape, and forced assimilation. Even populations in ancient countries like China are mostly made up of extinct tribes that were violently assimilated.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Nude_Bikergirl
Most other countries have had a greater amount of war, slavery, rape, and forced assimilation
Its called GLORY user.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Burnblaze
implying hypothermia won't kill you.
implying frostbite won't lose you a toe.

takes2long
takes2long

@Evil_kitten
Scandinavia
Canada

Fatty waito-piggu diet means people are less likely to live to be old enough that a cold will kill them, and if they do live to be that old a heart attack is more likely to kill them.

@Playboyize

massdebater
massdebater

@Garbage Can Lid
Welp, I share blood type with Hitler and Britney Spears, I guess I should feel honored.

I do like lemon soda though.

Methshot
Methshot

@Garbage Can Lid
I remember there being a book like this in the USA, I wonder how many copies it sold.

Also there is a Stuff You Should Know podcast about this that was quite interesting

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Booteefool
Singapore's former prime minister died of pneumonia and he was pretty fit and he said he made sure to swim every day.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Flameblow
But foreign fastfood in Japan is completely different than in their own original countries.

For example, Japanese KFC uses dark chicken meat while American KFC uses white chicken meat.

askme
askme

@SomethingNew
What about the breasts? Do the nips not fry the breasts?

You do realize that KFC uses legs, thighs, wings, and breasts in the US and only one of those is considered white meat.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Garbage Can Lid
This chart fails to mention the part where the racist Imperial Japanese used blood types to explain why the Taiwanese violently resisted being invaded and subjugated by Imperial Japan so much more than the Ainu. Over 40% of Taiwanese had type O compared to less than a quarter of the Ainu, which they then seized on to claim that the Taiwanese were genetically more violent and they needed to have type O blood bred out of them to make them more submissive to Imperial Japanese control.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@SomethingNew
US uses almost all the parts of the chicken. Besides it isn't really the meat that's the issue (although maybe antibacterial resistance), more the batter, high salt content, oil used etc. Plus then you have McDonalds and all the other shitty fast foods the US has brought us

idontknow
idontknow

@Garbage Can Lid
What if japan is actually right?

RumChicken
RumChicken

@lostmypassword
I thought Taiwan was relatively accepting of the Japanese occupation and benefitted from it.

But yeah, the thing about blood types is silly.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@massdebater
Isn't that because Japan is overpopulated, so they are afraid of infectious disease?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Garbage Can Lid
I knew type o would come through

cum2soon
cum2soon

@massdebater
this is how it actually works: http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=51152228

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@eGremlin
And yet somehow people are still alive in Canada and Alaska.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@LuckyDusty
they get eaten by polar bears before the cold gets to them

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@PurpleCharger
I remember reading that over 99% of Japanese are Rh positive so they don't give a shit.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Garbage Can Lid
bob sapp listed among actual celebrities
That's actually kind of funny.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@VisualMaster
yeah, seriously, this bullshit is REALLY starting to piss me off after bearing with it for years.

character falls in water/gets splashed/runs through the rain/etc
gets a fever

is every ounce of fucking water in Nihon a breeding ground for influenza or some shit? why the fuck is this such a massive, universally used trope?

getting wet (even in warm weather)=getting sick
seriously, what the fuck?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@lostmypassword
This is just Japan's version of scientific racism. We've all been there, amirite?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Ignoramus
this is less a public health risk and more a plot device forcing change clothes/get naked/shower in a strangers house.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@eGremlin
Yes, but not with quite as much widespread modern popular acceptance. We accept now that the racial problems America has stem largely from socioeconomic problems, not genetic ones, but Japan still accepts that your blood type determines how likely you are to murder someone.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

What I want to know is what's up with Japanese anemia? First of all, there's no malaria in Japan so how do they even select for it? Also, in my country you can just take an iron pill to alleviate the symptoms. Why does it turn the average MC into a sissy girly man who can't get through a day of school or walk at a brisk pace without losing conciousness/hallucinating? Don't they have iron in Japan?

farquit
farquit

@TechHater
This is what Vaccine deniers actually believe.

idontknow
idontknow

@Lord_Tryzalot
There's more kinds of anemia than sickle cell.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@BunnyJinx
prions

You don't want those in your body even if that guy's idiotic opinion were true.

askme
askme

@StrangeWizard
Massive aggression is not healthy for you

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Poker_Star
and have your childhood friend apply a wet towel to your forehead.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Picture: Healthful toilet paper printed with health etiquette tips shows how far health education has penetrated. Does the USA even do that?

@VisualMaster
Health education is a mandatory part of Japanese school education, so I doubt the Himouto anime is an accurate description. In my opinion (i've lived in several different states and traveled to japan), the USA is less clean and health conscious on a per capita basis.

@Spazyfool
Isn't that because Japan is overpopulated,
Densely populated is not the same as overpopulated.
@massdebater
@Stupidasole
It probably has to do with Japan's extremely large old population

The dense population means infectious diseases can easily spread, so it's sensible for "normal well-behaved" people to not spread germs. Of course, that means the people who go around spreading germs get to be labeled as "bad".

There's certainly people who don't care in Japan. It's impossible to have 100% of the population well-behaved in a community sense. But as @Nude_Bikergirl
said, Japan has a fairly homogenous population with the aftermath of WWII forcing everyone to accept a culture of getting along with each other in a time of desperately few resources and tight living conditions.

Too Long, Didn't Read:
A lot of the crowded living conditions also comes as a result of the wartime memory of starvation. That's not a non sequitor. If you say that Japan is overcrowded solely in terms of the country not being able to provide enough food for its citizens, yes, that is correct. The japanese know that and that is why there are such strong protections against urban sprawl into farmlands. Because of that, the cities have to build up and not sideways (unlike the usa). Letting cities sprawl reduces Japan's ability to sustain itself in case of emergency.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@idontknow
Those other kinds of anemia aren't chronic. They might get you into the ER ince or twice but they're not get-out-of-pe-free cards.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@WebTool
passport
I guess my blood type is P now

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Garbage Can Lid
blood type condoms
type AB condoms are covered with diamond shaped studs
This all sounds very fishy to me.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@PurpleCharger
They become important during pregnancy. If a Rh- mother has a Rh+ child, her body may develop antibodies to the antigens in her child's blood. Her antibodies then attack and destroy the child's red blood cells, which may cause anemia, brain damage, or even death of the fetus.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Emberfire
The thalassemias are chronic but distinct from sickle cell.
Also chronic conditions like renal failure or hypothyroidism could result in anemia.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@CodeBuns
That's exactly it though, they have superstitions about disease in the same way the west did.

Going outside in the rain doesn't cause a cold any more than chicken noodle soup and sprite will cure it.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@PackManBrainlure
Chicken soup is on the other hand quite good for replacing fluid and electrolytes lost in massive diarrhoea caused by e.g. cholera

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Supergrass
So is literally anything else you could eat with any liquid content, what's your point?

Inmate
Inmate

@Emberfire
Heavy and long periods -> frequent heavy blood loss -> frequent anemia

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Booteefool
Chicken soup is the one that's most really available to dirt poor peasants

TreeEater
TreeEater

Americans
afraid of bad luck if they take off their shoes indoors
superstitious to the point of making their children wear swimming gear when they are helping them take a shower
laughing about glorious Japan

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Poker_Star
Kill yourself

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