Toaru Kagaku no Railgun

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

If Shirai Kuroko is able to teleport things into people body insta-killing then, isn't she suppose to be at least lv 5?

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Snarelure
Snarelure

@ZeroReborn
That's not how the rating system works. It's based on how useful they are to Academy City.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Lesbian Teleporter isn't nearly as powerful as Pedophile Teleporter

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

still, she can pretty much 1v1 everyone, right? (but accel)

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

There are more important things in the world other than methods of killing people, brah

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Snarelure
You're thinking of the level 5 rankings. Level itself is based on power.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@TurtleCat
Well yeah, but that's not enough to get Level 5. Level 5's in general can hold their own against a fucking army.

Evilember
Evilember

@Soft_member
Ah, my mistake.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@TurtleCat
@ZeroReborn
She almost got rekt when fighting a (level 2?) light bender though.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@TurtleCat
Not really no

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@ZeroReborn

Because plot. The same way no other cartoon characters actually utilizes their power to the fullest.

Also with teleporting things inside of him, even vector guy would instantly get rip in peaced.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Every Esper has pre-determined potential. They just lie about how everyone has the potential to become a Level 5. Kuroko doesn't have the potential to become a Level 5.

idontknow
idontknow

@Crazy_Nice
Doesn't work on him because teleportation has movement in this series

TechHater
TechHater

But in terms of killing or fighting potential, is she stronger than misaka? Like, is she able to easily kill her using this trick?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@TechHater
Not at all, Awaki a much stronger Teleporter couldn't beat Misaka, Kuroko has even less chances

StonedTime
StonedTime

@TurtleCat
Teleportation has no vectors.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@StonedTime
yeah, go learn how teleportation works in this case before spouting bullshit

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Snarelure

I'm in episode 16 and dunno who is this Awaki girl, but why coudn't she just teleport things into misaka body? Like, fast, boring and end for MC, but would it be possible?

Inmate
Inmate

@ZeroReborn
Level 5's have absolute mastery over their abilities. I think it's mentioned that one of Kuroko's shortcomings is that she can't teleport things that she isn't directly touching.

Also level 5's (probably all, definitely Accel and Mikoto) tend to handicap themselves to somewhere around level 4 most of the time. Gotta keep in mind the kind of asspulls they're capable of when they feel like it, stuff that Kuroko couldn't even dream of doing.

Techpill
Techpill

@StonedTime
I read that teleportation does have vectors in the anime. Like warping something into 11th dimension and bringing it back.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@BlogWobbles
Because Misaka knows how teleportation works, and that you should keep moving, and Misaka has many, many, many ways to move when you have Electric powers in a city of steel

Also assuming you're watching Railgun, then Awaki never shows up there, since the Tree Diagram arc where she appears is an Index arc

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Playboyize
Yup. Probably misaka would create some magnetic field or biribiri stuff to prevent this kind of teleportation. (or just keep moving) Thank you guy '<'

viagrandad
viagrandad

@ZeroReborn
wasn't it explained in the first episode that she wasn't accurate enough to earn a level 5

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Inmate
Kuroko will never have the ability to teleport things she isn't touching because that's fundamentally not how her power works, Kuroko's Teleport works by moving X to a different point using her body as the reference point, Move Point, use A, the object to be moved, to B the set destination, which has more utility than Kuroko's, but is also slower since it needs more calculations

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@VisualMaster
That's a hard counter though. But yeah, every power usually have their weaknesses. Except Accel cause bullshit writing.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Crazy_Nice
Accel's powers have weaknesses. It's just that being Awakened makes him so OP that even knowing his weaknesses does you know good.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@ZeroReborn
Maybe there is a level 5 version of her power?

girlDog
girlDog

@Supergrass
Accel's power has a stupidly hard to exploit weakness.

I don't really know if Misaka can change the direction of her lightning midway the reflect shield.

If she can, then Accel is good as dead if information about his weakness is scattered among the Level 5s and 4s.

I mean any esper with enough projectile control will surely defeat accel by that point. So at least lvl 4s.

idontknow
idontknow

@girlDog
She's capable if altering the air around him, allowing her to suffocate him.

He has more than one weakness, he is just so OP that he can overpower his weaknesses most of the time.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@w8t4u
Elaborate.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@New_Cliche
they came up with the radio noise cloning project way before misaka became a level 5 so they must have had a way of determining beforehand

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@w8t4u
Bullshit. What's the point of the Academy then?
The academy city's entire point is to get everyone stronger.

But then I can see what you mean, like real life education, everyone has a set "max" like predicted by IQ. With a high correlation on IQ and life achievements.

takes2long
takes2long

@BlogWobbles
The point of Academy City is to create human AIM batteries to create a phase of the world that can disrupt and destroy magic if Aleister chooses.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@BlogWobbles
Academy City doesn't really care for the kids, and getting them stronger except in the sense of them being lab rats for their science

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@VisualMaster
Batman doesn't kill people

Spamalot
Spamalot

@ZeroReborn
Because Levels aren't decided by combat application. They're decided by power and range.

In order to even qualify as a Level 4 Teleporter, you need to be able to teleport your own body. If you can't do that, then you're a Level 3 or lower. Kill Point could teleport his body, but he was limited in that he could only teleport to his target's blind spot. A proper Level 4 can teleport as they please within a certain weight and range limit.

Awaki has the potential to reach Level 5, having an exponentially greater weight and range capacity than Kuroko, but is still technically within the limits of Level 4.

To put it another way, Mikoto, a Level 5 Electromaster, has a maximum output of 1 billion volts. Misaka WORST, a Level 4 Electromaster, has a maximum output of 200 million volts.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Kuroko a shit. Awaki a best.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Deadlyinx
Why don´t you like her?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Snarelure
@Soft_member
Then lvl 4 is correct, since it's the highest proper one.
@ZeroReborn
No one is ever using teleportation to it's full capabilities.
Look at Star Trek and the Transporter.
Perry Rhodan has teleporter devices they use to beam gigaton nukes into enemy ships, after their shields are down enough, that's the only example I can think of.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@StonedTime
It does.
You may think of bending space-time, which would really have none. But no one has such powers.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@ZeroReborn
I brought this up to my friend and we basically agreed that other than the dark matter guy. She could kill literally any of the level 5's without warning.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Harmless_Venom
Yes, but teleporting is a very versatile ability in most situations.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Gigastrength
In Star Trek, shields block them from transporting anything aboard the enemy ship. If they manage to bring down the enemy shields, there's no longer a need to transport anything aboard their ship if they just mean to destroy it. The phasers will do for that. The only reason they'd need to beam things onto the enemy ship is if they were sending a boarding party to capture it.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Snarelure
Well, alright.
In PR teleporters work rather different from ST, using some sort of higher dimension, so the shields have to be special. I guess it doesn't compare that well.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Snarelure
Or if the enemy ship is tougher than other ships.
Borg ships are like that.
The Voyager destroyed one of the smaller Borg ships (season 4 or 5) with a beamed warhead.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Need_TLC
temperature is not a vector, it is a measure of energy
On the smallest scale, temperature is just atoms banging into other atoms with their velocity, which is a vector. In the same way he can deflect a bullet, Accelerator could deflect all of those atoms that try influence his body temperature by hitting him. Therefore Accelerator is immune to temperature based attacks.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@ZeroReborn
Insta-killing people isn't that impressive compared to the mass devastation someone like Accel can cause.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@kizzmybutt
The scalar thing is more important.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Stupidasole
I don't know enough about electromagnetism to really address that part. I'm not entirely sure how electromagnetism kills a person.

If it involves moving something inside Accelerator's body, he can simply hold himself together by vectoring the parts of his body the electromagnetism tries to move.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Dreamworx
A strong field didn't induce currents along and inside the body?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@ZeroReborn
But awaki has pretty much the same ability and trashed her.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Lord_Tryzalot
Move Point has a lot more potential than any regular teleporter ever will have

likme
likme

@Lord_Tryzalot
Move Point is innately better than Teleport in everything but speed

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Lord_Tryzalot
Level 5 Awaki when

happy_sad
happy_sad

@King_Martha
The only level 5 that touma can never beat.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Why do you fags always respond seriously to this thread

eGremlin
eGremlin

I need more Misaka in my folder

askme
askme

Same reason accelerator doesn't just throw buildings at Touman-sama

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@askme
As proven by his later fights with Touma, Accelerator could fight "intelligently" at range and still end up punched.

Accel's real power is the ability to magnetically attract fists to his face.

Methshot
Methshot

@Inmate
Accelerator was a complete novice in OT 3 despite being the first ranked esper in all of AC. His latent potential and reflection gimmick were all he had going for him before Touma, and later Amata, pushed him to the brink.

The benchmark for level 5 is having the capacity to take on an entire nation's military by themselves. This one prerequisite shuts down discussion on most level 4s even dreaming of being level 5. It should put things in perspective when you consider the two level 4s who are on the brink of being level 5 (Awaki and Takitsubo) are not even remotely close to being as powerful or reliable as an actual level 5.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Here's a question. Why does Sheeky Forums hate Misaka? At least the Japs love her, why don't you?

DeathDog
DeathDog

@TurtleCat
I'm not going to speak for the rest of Sheeky Forums, but personally, I don't mind her.

I do mind the author sending her on a wild goose chase after Touma with stars in her eyes for most of New Testament while she's only dimly aware of the shit he's involved in. That shit gets really old really fast.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@girlDog
Technically Accel should have had his face melted off due to the extreme heat when he reflected Mikoto's railgun, but that didn't really serve the narrative Kamachi was going for.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@happy_sad
Why not? Why do you guys hype up dark matter so much

Lunatick
Lunatick

@TurtleCat
Sheeky Forums is not one person, far as I remember people loved her while the series aired.

5mileys
5mileys

@King_Martha

She could just teleport a grenade inside him and he would die. Nothing ever said that you can't teleport through dark matter shield.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Evil_kitten
This. She started out as level 1 for the sole purpose of creating a rags to riches story to inspire the children to keep on applying themselves and not leave the city. It really changes your perspective of early novels and Railgun chapters where the characters are being fed this line of nonsense ad nauseum. If Mikoto was upset about being conned into unknowingly allowing 10,000 people to die, just imagine how she'll feel when she learns she's been the mascot for a bullshit enterprise that's ruined millions of peoples lives.

Inmate
Inmate

@TurtleCat
I don't hate her, I just like the other girls more

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Supergrass
Heat also has a vector. Sorry.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Raving_Cute
You can't beat infinity user.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@VisualMaster
Could you elaborate
He can produce limitless amounts of dark matter but Touma can just cancel it and punch him like everyone else, can't he?

massdebater
massdebater

@TurtleCat
Uiharu is better than her in every way, she should be the protagonist

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Need_TLC
pretty much, its all tied to one system overall and if touma so much as touched that, especially post NT 9, then Kakine would literally implode since all that keeps him alive at this point is his ability.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Need_TLC
He can't punch them forever.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Illusionz
read:
@Ignoramus

his basic system is stupidly similar to misaka's iron sand swordspam she tried in NT 10, just on a larger scale.
overall this means toumas essentially the hard counter to Dark matter.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@happy_sad

Haha no. If anything, Gunha is Touma's hard counter

FastChef
FastChef

@Ignoramus
So if touma punched one of the clones then the original kakine would just die himself?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Need_TLC

Except thats wrong

w8t4u
w8t4u

@cum2soon
Kakines network is created of as many equal units as he wants to make. Touma punching one of them would probably just disconnect that one from the network and destroy the single unit.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@happy_sad
Misaki could get touma killed if she wanted to.

WebTool
WebTool

@happy_sad
That's Gunha though.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Booteefool
@WebTool
Gunha
Ever winning

cum2soon
cum2soon

@cum2soon
his basic system is stupidly similar to misaka's iron sand swordspam she tried in NT 10
I don't think so. Every blades were physically connected to each other, probably because it's easier for her to control it from a single point.

@FastChef
We don't know enough about how the dark matter clones are connected to each other to be sure of anything.
Beetle 05 not only became totally independent but he even overthrew Kakine control over the network.

Techpill
Techpill

Touma can beat any level five because of the invisible thing (and even without it he could manage every level 5 except perhaps Gunha and possibly Kakine)

On the other hand, do you think Aogami really is the #6? What could #6's power be?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Techpill
Aogami can be everything, we don't even know his real name.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@w8t4u
It's not like everyone with the potential to become level 5 is level 5, Takitsubo for one.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Isn't level based in raw power rather than application?

Kuroko can use her ability very effectively, but her power has several limits that make her less potent than a level 5 outside of a relatively controlled encounter

Has to be in contact with objects she is teleporting

Weight and distance limit restrict effectiveness against long-range opponents

Use of power requires advanced calculations, disrupting concentration prevents use

Lag time between each teleport of a second is short for utilitarian purposes but exploitable in a fight

likme
likme

Still no esper than can control gravity

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Nude_Bikergirl
Takitsubo would be #1 if she managed to become level five though
AIM Stalker, if leveled up, would be extremely overpowered

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@iluvmen

I think this is relevant. Misaka is pretty shit when it comes to fighting, she just happens to have metric fucktons of power read: sexual frustration

SniperWish
SniperWish

@massdebater
If she's so good then why does she feel so irrelevant?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Techpill
@AwesomeTucker
I think he's a Kihara, because it's the only imporant name in the raildexverse and there would be no reason to hide it otherwise.
And if he really is the #6, it's the only way he can be relevant despite being the weakest level 5.

Evilember
Evilember

Lets look at Index Teleporting in terms of a gun.

Imagine you're trying to shoot someone. Easy, as long is the distance isnt too far and you have somewhat decent aim and practice.

Now imagine you're trying to shoot someone that's moving. This is harder, and requires experience and a higher degree of skill.

Now imagine you're trying to shoot someone that's moving as you are also moving. This is getting pretty damn hard at this point.

Now imagine you're trying to shot someone that's moving as you are also moving, but your gun's capacity to fire is not based off of a motor reflex, but on how fast you can calculate multi-dimensional calculations, while factoring in all of the other things such as 'leading the shot.' Also keep in mind that if the target suddenly jumps to the left (or basically does anything else outside of predicted movement) a second before you get done calculating, you cant stop, because you "bullet" is in the process of firing and you have to start over all your calculations from scratch.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Evilember

Further imagine all of the above, but the enemy also has a power or "firearm", and is using it against you. Only their firearm is much, much easier to use then yours, as they require a lot less calculation to fire. They can fire probably twice as fast as you can at the very least, and depending on the type of “gun” (esper power), they can also course correct their bullet on the fly just in case shit goes wrong.

Compounding on all this is the fact that you have to make sure you don't get hit while doing all this, as you cant really process simultaneous calculations (firing your power and teleporting yourself at the same time) of such a massive nature all too well. Also, if you get hit by ANYTHING or feel ANY discomfort, your proficiency in all of this drops by half. This discomfort factor effects other espers, but not nearly as much as teleporters. This is primarily the reason why Kuroko wears skimpy underwear (aside from trying to seduce her onee-sama); she feels like she is wearing NOTHING AT ALL (NOTHING AT ALL!). This prevents her from being distacted, since it would hamper her abilities alot if her panties were riding up her ass mid-battle. I would also like to bring up at this point that girl teleporters like Awaki and Kuroko can still get discomfort-nerfed monthly, depending on how bad their period cramps are. Basically, teleporters are squishy as fuck compared to most other espers.

The only thing they would really excel at combat-wise would be for assassinations, as long as the target doesn't know they are about to be attacked. Still, even with that, a bolt of lightning to the face gets the job done just as well as a needle to the brain... it’s just messier. A normalfag with a sniper rifle can accomplish what a teleporter could do there, and at a longer range to boot.

And that is why teleporters in Index are considered low tier.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@massdebater
Protagonist trying to sabotage relationships around Kuroko so she can have her to herself while fending off unwanted advances by Saten.

Well it would be different.

Inmate
Inmate

@Deadlyinx
Yeah, him being a Kihara would make sense.
despite being the weakest
I don't know about that.
Gunha is the third strongest yet he's seventh. I'd say the weakest is Misaki really. Number Six's ability, since it's been kept a secret for so long, will (I think) be something very specialized/useful to Aleister's keikaku

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Inmate
Yeah I know the number aren't a power ranking, I meant that he's probably not Accel/Kakine tier.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@VisualMaster
At least he's been building up his face muscles so he can keep on looking at Touma senpai even after getting punched

Inmate
Inmate

@Inmate
The mere fact that he's at sixth means he's the least useful to Keikakuman's designs, compared to Main Level 6 candidate, Accelerator, back up Kakine, and clone source/postergirl of AC Misaka

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Lord_Tryzalot
Except Awaki also has PTSD which can hinder her ability a lot.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Can she mind control magicians?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Inmate
If he's both the weakest and the least useful level 5 (alongside Gunha) I don't see why he has to be kept hidden like that. I'm just assuming that there's a reason for his discretion and that his ranking could possibly be another way for him to keep a low profile.
Since AC's authorities cannot even find him most of the time, he's either working directly under Aleister or has his own agenda, but there's no reason to hype him up if he's just a normal esper

RavySnake
RavySnake

@LuckyDusty
Didn't she recover from that though?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Deadlyinx
Vol 12 already showed that he stays in hiding because he gives away his name, and a partially destroyed ID card, to people who are stuck in fucked up situations, and can pull themselves up from it through having the identity of sixth Level 5

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Illusionz
What are you implying?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Dreamworx
Wouldn't they have some kind of counter?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@RavySnake
Doesn't she use a device to calm herself down?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@ZeroReborn
That he hardly ever wins.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Crazy_Nice
Nope. Kuroko teleports by moving in the 7th dimension. Theres still a vector associated with it so reflection works.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Dreamworx
He fought 3 Times:
against mikoto:undecided
Against Extorior:undecided
Against Ollerus:Lost
Sounds fine to me.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Carnalpleasure
And to be fair, anyone who isn't named Aleister or isn't a magic god stands no chance against Ollerus so that doesn't really count

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Carnalpleasure
Didn't he fight Misaka directly 1v1 in that side novel and pretty much had the advantage the whole time? Dude caught a Railgun with his teeth.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Burnblaze
They weren't going all out though.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Carnalpleasure
He doesn't know how to win.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Burnblaze
Yeah I think he could beat every other level 5 besides 1 and 2 if he doesn´t fuck around

He would have gone down against level 6 shift mikoto too pretty quickly though if Touma wasn´t there

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Gunha is literally bs.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Firespawn
He wins everday against Yokosuka the Organcrusher

Nojokur
Nojokur

@RumChicken
Not sure he wanted to take down Level 6 Mikoto with himself.
Who knows maybe he can pull a kakine with his own cell.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Season 3 when?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@haveahappyday
Why?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Muginos

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Accelerator chapter 17 where?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Sir_Gallonhead
This is edgy shit, but it's good edgy shit.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@TurtleCat
People only hate the shitty tsundere Mikoto in Index and/or the dumb moralfag Mikoto in the Railgun anime.
She is great in the Railgun manga.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Dreamworx
Best girl.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Spamalot
It's more than just raw power, it's also about creativity and proper application of their powers. Misaka is smart and flexible enough to use water hydrolysis to create functional wings while Worst most likely wouldn't. Accelerator was able to hack into someone's mind and overwrite their mental state. Misaki could somehow read people's memories on what they had touched. Takitsubo was able to reverse her AIM Stalker and hijack their powers. The huge factor between levels is how far they can push the boundaries of what their powers allows them to do.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Sir_Gallonhead
Of all times to take a break is when accel is actually doing shit.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@VisualMaster
I like her more in the anime.

She looks weird in the manga.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@ZeroReborn
She is not as strong as you think she is. Teleporters, even the stronger ones, are too weak and fragile
Not to mention even low level espers could easily kill a person

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Burnblaze
Maximum pleb.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Dreamworx
We already knew that Mugino´s muginos are pretty nice

Too bad her entire body is now fucked up, and no matter how good medical treatment and plastic surgery is oin Academy City they can´t make those scars disappear entirely

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@cum2soon

Kuuderes a shit.
Tsundere all the way.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Nude_Bikergirl
you know a Level 5 can litaily take down a military force.
Thats the raw power they have to have atleast.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@AwesomeTucker
Liking Tsunderes

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@GoogleCat
@GoogleCat
are too weak and fragile
We know like 2.Stop to generalize.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@RumChicken
11th

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Burnblaze
I like her more in the anime.
She looks weird in the manga.

Everyone looks way better in the manga

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Evilember
Now imagine you're trying to shoot someone that's moving as you are also moving
Basically a FPS. It's not hard. I'd like to remind you that doing something and calculating it is different.
Also kuroko limit herself to not kill people and teleporting isn't a fighting skill. Teleporters are god tier and to aru is full of shit.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Why is Frenda's imouto massaging her breasts?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Boy_vs_Girl
I want to believe Fall 2016.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@TurtleCat
It's more like the side characters in her own story are more interesting.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@AwesomeTucker
Not misaka.

Touma even looks like a fag in the manga.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@GoogleCat
Touma is way better in the Index manga in my opinion.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Fuzzy_Logic
Not denying that, just saying it's more than just that. It's power and the ability to use said power in creative ways. It's why people that went through the Dark May project got a boost in their powers. They started thinking in a differently and used their powers in new and creative ways. Take Umidori for example, she was able to combine her own powers and magic to create a large scale earthquake. Can you imagine any of the lower ranked espers being that creative with their own powers?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@PackManBrainlure
We know three, two of which are top tier and they are still shit
Besides it was mentioned several times how easy is to fuck up their calculations

Techpill
Techpill

@Sharpcharm
Basically a FPS. It's not hard.
Firing guns accurately is much harder in real life than in your precious vidya. Tracking a moving target, even a relatively slow-moving one, is really fucking hard. Hitting a target when you yourself are moving is even harder. And tracking a moving target when you yourself are moving is damn near impossible, even at close range.
If you don't believe me, you're welcomed to take even a laser pointer and try to keep it aimed at a distant object when walking/running.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@BinaryMan
Movepoint shit
please. she has already overcome her trauma.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

So what's the deal with that esper who is also a magician?

He like fucks himself when he tries to do one or the other or something

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@LuckyDusty
Yea Donad girl aka Komakawa Maria

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Deadlyinx
I was on about the railgun manga, he looks like shit.

Yeah he looks pretty good in the index manga though.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Techpill
It is also a lot harder than that, unlike bullets that travel in a line teleporters can only attack specific points in space. You can dodge a teleporter by moving slightly in any direction

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@GoogleCat
Railgun manga uses the LN character designs

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Nude_Bikergirl
No really. All she's been doing so far is jus basic application of combining martial arts with her ability to control her own centrifugal force. Nothing really mind-blowing like abusing the metal in one's artificial arm to extend it into the earth and create a magic/science explosive bashlash

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

WHERE
IS
TH
FUCKING
CHAPTER?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

So do I watch Index or Railgun first?

I'd actually much rather read the fucking manga but I've heard mixed things about it.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Kurokofags getting BTFO.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@LuckyDusty
Railgun S2 first

Inmate
Inmate

@Raving_Cute
Everybody uses Haimura's designs

hairygrape
hairygrape

@LuckyDusty
Watch in release order, then read the Novels(Index) and Manga(Railgun).

The Railgun manga is really damn good.

Index manga is meh, it skips some story arcs but it's nice to read it if just for the delicious art that it gets later on.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@LuckyDusty
The Railgun manga is best, do it for Kongou

Illusionz
Illusionz

people not liking Fuyukawa's art

What the fuck

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Index a CUTE

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Illusionz
Plebs.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Inmate
I mean it's the closest to it.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Illusionz
Look at this, she's so cute.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Illusionz
Because some characters look shit.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

I wonder if repeatedly teleporting ontop of a dick is more pleasurable than normal friction through regular sex

A cock repeatedly materializing inside a girl, emptying and filling her instantly over and over again must feel very interesting atleast

I think it would probably be more uncomfortable or painful than pleasurable though unless she´s stretched the fuck out already

askme
askme

Whoever draws the index manga has the best art out of everyone else.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@RavySnake
Nothing really mind-blowing like abusing the metal in one's artificial arm to extend it into the earth and >create a magic/science explosive bashlash
You know she could only do it because she was a cyborg?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Crazy_Nice
Teleporting takes the area of something already there.

It would just result in the penis getting obliterated.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@GoogleCat
Touma even looks like a fag in the manga.

and he doesn't in the light novel?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Crazy_Nice
Considering most teleporter seen so far doesn't have matter displacement, the ponos will most likely merge onto the vagoo when teleporting in and then gets violently ripped apart when they teleport out.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Deadlyinx
And how many espers would even think about abusing said artificial arms in such a huge exploit like she had?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Crazy_Nice
Both would end up with all the skin in their crotches peeled off

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Harmless_Venom
He does.

Anime Touma looks the best.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Raving_Cute
I still see a faggot.

Evilember
Evilember

@Firespawn
@Soft_member
@Emberburn
Sounds kinkier than expected, but I´d try it

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

35+ novels
Not one esper has leveled up yet

girlDog
girlDog

@Ignoramus
espers
leveling up

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Ignoramus
Technically, the novels had all but implied Takitsubo has leveled up level 5 already. It's just Academy City isn't publically revealing for whatever reason, probably Aliester or something.

StonedTime
StonedTime

soon

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Sharpcharm
You mean if they knew about Magic?
Tsuchimikado,kumakawa maria,Mikoto,Uiharu.
fren?da

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

NT 14 when?

Pls be science arc.

Techpill
Techpill

@TalkBomber
Pls be science arc.
Lets make it a Gemstone arc.

takes2long
takes2long

@TurtleCat
That wasn't the point I was making. I was saying Umidori was creative enough to be able to push her powers beyond the boundaries of what it is capable of despite not understanding how magic works. I'm not saying creativity is more important than raw power in determining levels, I'm saying both are required.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Deadlyinx

Next chapter when? It's supposed to be the punishment game right?

SniperGod
SniperGod

@takes2long
Ok but dont forget just because you are realy creative and smart doesnt mean you get a High-level ask Uiharu.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@TalkBomber

Touma gets out of the country with Othinus and Nemphthys running away from his evil clone.
Rest of the Volume is science arc.

Bonus point if the prologue is Misaka seeing Touma entering a plane with an almost naked egyptian semen demon.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@TreeEater
End of the volume we see Touma all alone screaming.
He failed

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@SniperGod
Uiharu is smart and extremely brave, but she hasn't really shown that she can be creative with her powers. Of course, part of it is that she simply gave up on developing her powers since she was a level 1. Who knows how much stronger she can get if she had inherited Accelerator's mindset like Umidori and Salai had.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@GoogleCat

Touma suffering and the last magic gods gone? Sign me in.

Who knows, Index might be relevant again with the big players gone.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@kizzmybutt
You know Parameter list is a thing?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@DeathDog
@DeathDog
Index might be relevant
Never ever

idontknow
idontknow

@Emberfire
And you do know that it's less 'maximum power level', and more how much effort required to bring them up to a higher level and how useful they are to AC? They even lamented how Shiage didn't have to be stuck at level 0 had AC simply spent more resources on him.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@idontknow
Yea but I can´t decide how effor AC is putting in me see Mitsuari Ayu.
Uiharu is the best hacker in the world and is even beating Mikoto in that regard.
Her calculation ability should be atleast Level 3.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@viagrandad
Yea but I can´t decide how effor AC i
I meant you cant decide how much effort AC is putting in yourself.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@viagrandad

She's probably alcking in the self-delusion department. Basically she's too sane.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@viagrandad
But she didn't beat Misaka. As I said, Uihara is extremely brave, almost fanatically so. She is willing to take risk that no normal/sane person would do. Rather than let Misaka win, she simply decided to pull the plug and destroy their own data in the process. Rather than go up to the driver in a car during the hijacked truck incident, she sky-dived to it, and used herself as an aero-brake. She is a risk-taker, through and through, and not a representation of her capability as an expert.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@eGremlin
heat
vector
heat is scalar which is vectors

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Bidwell
She is a risk-taker, through and through
Thats what a true Hacker truely is read SS2.
As his hands were forced into handcuffs behind him, Kuyama Kihan mumbled what was
more of a groan than words. “That’s a true hacker.”
She won just with a console.

askme
askme

@cum2soon
Well yeah, she is willing to go beyond what a normal person would do. She has potential but she's waiting it on her hacking skill rather than on her esper powers. That and she's a bit too rational/sane to go beyond level 1. She has almost zero self-delusion, the necessary component to reject reality and replace it with your own like what the lvl 5s does.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@ZeroReborn
Kuroko can kill Accelerator.

Time to touch his collar ON: 0.5-1 second
Time to teleport a rock in the brain: Almost instant.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@King_Martha
Awakening

Evilember
Evilember

@eGremlin
Heat transfer has vectors, heat is scalar

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@askme
She has almost zero self-delusion
But Mitsuari Ayu was realy delusional and still stuck on Level 3.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@BunnyJinx
Not included in the official anime

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@CodeBuns
What? Yes it is. What do you think allowed Accelerator to kill KIIHARA-KUUN! Also, the anime doesn't mean jack. It skipped an entire arc, and the original source for everything Raildex is the novels. Stay mad, teleportfag.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@CouchChiller

I thought it was just the manga that skipped arcs? Anime just rushed through them.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Supergrass
nope, see
@kizzmybutt

Techpill
Techpill

@TalkBomber
Show me the episodes that cover Angel Fall.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Techpill

Right after Accelerator, they took the serial killer out though.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Techpill
I have only seen the anime and I remember them doing an episode or two on angel fall. Everyone suddenly switches bodies apart from Touman. Obama turns into Kuroko. Turns out his father accidentally cast the spell by buying weird objects and coincidentally arranging them in some ritualistic way in his home.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

I can teleport, too

Skullbone
Skullbone

Espers are way more interesting than magic. I just want a show about the fucking level 5s and level 5s only.

Emberfire
Emberfire

So now that the dust has settled, what did everyone think about NT13? I thought it was awesome.
Dat bike chase
Mikoto being magneto
High Priest BTFO
That Touma speech defending Misaka
Kamisato

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@ZeroReborn
Level 4 teleporter has to teleport himself
I imagine that Level 5 teleporter would have to be able to teleport massive amount of mass or teleport things so fasts it would be almost automatical
Most of Level 5 have ability to shield themselves from attacks

Accelerator has his autoreflection and can shield himself from everything including Misakis mind control
Kakine is dark matter and shit can't do shit to him, Misaki's mind control wouldn't probably work on him
Misaka has electromagnetic reactive armor and she can evaporate paramagnetic stuff by evaporating it with enough current
Mugino has disintegration shield but it doesn't shield her from the back and probably doesn't work against mind control
Misaki has special ability and this doesn't apply to her
Gunha can shield himself from anything using bullshit he comes up with and probably can overcome mind control with the power of guts

Level5 teleporter would probably have to teleport projectiles away as they touch him

likme
likme

@Emberfire
Forgettable read.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@LuckyDusty
Level 4 teleporter has to teleport himself
Thats wrong

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@ZeroReborn
tfw there will be never spin off about Gunha
why live?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@eGremlin
That's the normal definition of a Level 4 teleporter according to Accel.

Kill Point doesn't meet that prereq because he can't freely teleport himself, he can only teleport behind people.

@LuckyDusty
Word of Kamachi is that level 5 Awaki would have an auto-teleport defense like Thor has, so you're close.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Im 8 episodes into Index and wondering:
when does this actually get good? i've heard it suffers from a slow start.
Or is the anime just a bad adaptaion of the novel because it feels like ive been watching shit,

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Emberfire

Bike was neat, High Priest was fun, Misaka was better than usual, as she didn't flip out that hard this time.

Kamisato

Unbelievably lame, it's Fiamma 2.0 with a shitty entrance that's supposed to be hype because of the level of the people that job to him, but it didn't do anything for me.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Fuzzy_Logic
In my opinion the index seasons are shit, they make very little sense to me and it seems like every other villain they face has a special rare type of magic that is so special and rare they can't fight against it at first. Not saying Railgun doesn't suffer from this at all, but much less.

They're still worth watching for the most part, but After watching Index Season 1 watch Railgun S2, and you'll see what I mean.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@LuckyDusty
As well as range and accuracy. Kuroko can't teleport things too far. She does a series of teleport jumps to reach a destination instead of just going straight there.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@idontknow
It really is max power level though. According to Item's boss bitch some people don't level up no matter what.

Some people are stuck at a level lower than they deserve, but some also just suck.

Methshot
Methshot

@Harmless_Venom
Annoying VA.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

There are people who actually enjoy the Railgun anime
Disgusting.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@CodeBuns
The official anime
My sides.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Fried_Sushi
didn't do anything for me.

Maybe for you, but once Kamisato reused Touma's "normal high school boy you can find anywhere" line word-for-word, I threw out my sides laughing.

Methnerd
Methnerd

there's always one thing thats bugging me
Accelerator's power is basically telekinesis with really shitty range
why they didn't try get telekinetic esper into Level 6 shift? he would be much better because range wouldn't limit him

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@King_Martha
Kuroko doesn't target people's brains. She's a hardcore moralfag.

The anime even took out a moralfag speech she made to Awaki in the books that explained why she didn't just frag people.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Methnerd
Accelerator's power is deeper than TK. A TK esper can move things, Accelerator can control movement, it's a subtle but important difference. Accelerator could never lose to a TK Esper.

Plus Accelerator can Awaken, which is really the important thing and probably what Crowley wanted all along.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Why do espers only have one power?

FastChef
FastChef

@King_Martha
Literally anyone can kill Accelerator with a sneak attack after his brain damage though, not interesting to talk about.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Methnerd
Accelerator's power is basically telekinesis with really shitty range
No you don't understand how OP accelerators powers are.

Anything can be made into a vector, just by setting it into motion, or setting YOURSELF into motion relative to it. Even things like temperature and pressure can be made into vectors as long as there is a slight gradient.

happy_sad
happy_sad

Can Accel stop the Earth from moving relative to the rest of the universe (everything is always in motion) and destroy the planet that way?
Could he at least do it to a single person or thing?

cum2soon
cum2soon

@RavySnake
I think the stated reason is that having more than one power would burn them out.

Rikou could apparently get around this though. Espers can functionally replicate other Esper's powers if they're versatile though. Accelerator for example does shit like that all the time, and Misaki has every mind-related ability instead of just mind control or telepathy and stuff like that. Hell, Misaka could probably replicate Mugino's power if she put some work into it.

Methshot
Methshot

@Methnerd
Underestimating Accelerator this badly
He's far above other espers. He's a fucking force of nature.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Methshot
He´s a force of nature only if his faggy collar is switched on, and even then his face tends to gravitate towards Touma´s fist repeatedly until he´s knocked out

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Lunatick
He doesn't even need the collar anymore nerd. Also Touma's punches don't do shit to him anymore as of NT10.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@SniperWish
Also Touma's punches don't do shit to him anymore
Touma evolved now he is using rocks.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Ignoramus
implying Academy City cares for level 3 and down espers

SniperWish
SniperWish

How often do you think Accelerator hugs and shows love to Misaka WORST and Last Order?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Emberfire
We haven't been shown what parameter list says about Uiharu's or Saten's potential. It's pointless to bring it up when discussing whether or not someone can go higher.

Maybe she caps out at 3 and isn't worth the effort of training, or maybe she needs an unprofitable amounts of resources or something outside the normal curriculum(Takitsubo). We really don't know anything other than AC uses it to decide who to prioritize on leveling.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@SniperGod
No. You're wrong. Teleportation doesn't require vectors, in fact, the only known physically allowed "method" of teleportation is a pseudovector. To prove this, we start with the time-independent Schrödinger equation for a non-relativistic particle (we're assuming what Kuroko teleports is only a single particle).

EΨ(r) = [-ћ^2/2μ ∇^2 + V(r)]Ψ(r)
(we've already separated the exponential time dependence)
We'll use spherical polar coordinates, and assume the solution is in the form
ψ(r,θ,ϕ) = R(r)Y(θ,ϕ) = R(r)Ɵ(θ)Φ(ϕ)
where R is the radial function and Y(θ,ϕ) are spherical harmonics (of degree l and m, we've omitted both). Solving this, we find that
ψ_nlm(r,θ,ϕ) = √[(2/na_0)^2 (n-l-1)!/(2n[n+l]!)] Exp[-r/na_0] (2r/na_0)^l L^(2l+1)_n-l-1 (2r/na_0) Y(θ,ϕ)
Where L^(2l+1)_n-l-1 is the generalized Laguerre polynomial.
Notice that neither ψ(r,θ,ϕ) nor the Laguerre polynomials obey (Ax)_k = Σ A_kl x_l, although they due obey the continuity requirement.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Garbage Can Lid
I don't think we've seen any Level 0s yet who are said to have untapped potential.

Mitsuari was able to get to Level 3 even after getting rejected as a Level 5 candidate, and hell Misaka started at Level 1 right off the bat.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@MPmaster
It's already been stated that Accelerator can reflect teleportation, so it doesn't really matter what you say.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@MPmaster
Personal Reality, I ain't gotta explain shit. Both the narration and Accelerator said teleportation has vectors.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@LuckyDusty
Awaki can already do all of that and she is a level 4
A level 5 move point would be something similar to Thor

He said not to view his ability as mere teleportation, but Musujime Awaki might be able to do something similar in her perfect mode. It isn’t for nothing that she was determined to reach Level 5 if not for her trauma.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@TurtleCat
She's not the strongest person in Academy City by miles; its not something that's understood a lot, but teleportation has all this invisible math involved where you can fuck it up pretty badly very easily. If you can make something decent out of it good, but its nothing that easy or practical in most ways.

No she can't 1v1 everyone, or even a majority of the people we've seen.

We've even seen a stronger teleporter than her already, and even she isn't really a Lv5 yet for reasons. Even the teleporter that's stronger than Kuroko isn't really high in the listings. Kuroko is maybe among the "Normal strong" like she's strong among the riff raff we often see, or mid tier, but she's nothing fancy.

Teleportation has vectors across dimensions in this universe as well.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@MPmaster
Being this ass-blasted
Yeah, I wonder why those powers that work by changing the laws of physics don't follow the laws of physics. It's really confusing.

I mean it's not like Kamachi knows any of this, but asking an author to give this much of a shit over a detail this small is a little much. At least he was smart enough to create the power system so that he can break any rules he wants and technically he's always right.

idontknow
idontknow

@Stupidasole
Mostly the issue is that stress of any kind starts throwing off teleportation calculations. And since combat is stressful, well...

WebTool
WebTool

@RumChicken

If Rensa's assessment is anything to go by then Accel could conceivably lose simply because noone understands wtf Gunha's doing. Rensa couldn't say with confidence that she could beat him with Accel's power but figured she had a good shot.

Inmate
Inmate

@WebTool
Gunha with whatever his true power is might be able to beat Accel, but since we have no idea what that power is we've really got no idea, and neither does Rensa.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@WebTool
She wasn't as strong or smart as Accel so it makes sense
The only reason she may be able to defeat the other 5s is because Accel's reflection is OP

Supergrass
Supergrass

@ZeroReborn
lvl isn't decided on ability but on strength of their AIM field iirc.

Also, teleporters are nerfed a lot in raildex.
Their ability requires enormous amounts of concentration, if they can't keep up mentally, pain or sudden unexpected events can take them out of concentration and make her unable to teleport.
Or make their teleport sloppy, this could mean they end up in a wall.

Not only that, there is a slight delay between the activation and the actual teleport. Awaki is slightly slower than Kuroko since her ability is more complicated.
Though they don't need visual confirmation, without it they might end up in a wall. A light bender or someone capable of projecting illusions might also fuck them up.

Unless it's a surprise attack, she wouldn't win against lvi5s, I'm sure there are a bunch of lvl4s that are above her as well.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Inmate
Full power Gunha surpasses Ollerus according to the latter, so he'd be a fucking monster

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Methnerd
@haveahappyday
@Ignoramus
Reminder that this shit is the highest level of telekinesis

Fundamental Forces Manipulation: To manipulate the fundamental forces of the universe.
Particle Manipulation: To manipulate matter at the basest of levels.
Particle Energy Manipulation: To manipulate particle energy.
Reality Warping: To manipulate reality by bending quantum strings in a localized area.
Space-Time Manipulation: To manipulate and distort the space-time continuum.
Subatomic Manipulation/Energy Manipulation: To control matter and energy at subatomic levels.
Self-Subatomic Manipulation: To manipulate self at sub-atomic level.
Universal Force Manipulation: To manipulate both the physical and esoteric forces of the universe.

Accel is fucking great and I know that the above TK feats don't really have anything to do with Raildex but as far as powerlevels are concerned, the highest level of TK is superior to the highest level of vector manipulation.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@idontknow
Which would be mitigated by experience in combat, which Kuroko has a lot of.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Harmless_Venom
Accel would just vector all that shit.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Evil_kitten
Kuroko doesn't have very much experience in a true battle against a powerful opponent. There's a reason that Mikoto leaves her out of all the real shit, and it isn't just because she's trying to keep her friends out of it.

Methshot
Methshot

@Need_TLC
I mean in terms of mental fortitude. She has enough to keep her cool when facing a serious opponent that is trying to hurt or kill her.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Stark_Naked
Ayu was heart-broken, and as Misaki had pointed out, she just wanted Touma to notice her again. She was just a frightened girl that lashed out at Misaki for supposedly stealing her position at Touma's side. She wasn't actually self-delusional, she was trying way too hard to convince herself that she really was. She even gotten her illusion broken by Touma.

@Soft_member
Do you happen to have the text of when they explained it? I'm recalling on memory here so it might clear up the confusion. Because I think they had also said Takitsubo was suppose to fail at becoming a level 5 as well.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Methshot
She works for judgement, she doesn't deal with serious opponents
The only time she did she got her ass kicked

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Dreamworx
No he did. He said Gunha could have put up a much better fight had he known what his powers really are.

likme
likme

@Ignoramus
You mean when that guy tried to kill her and she nearly collapsed a building on him?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Dreamworx
Kek, this delusional fag.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Ignoramus
What? Liquid metal girl required Kuroko to use lightning fast calculations

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Lord_Tryzalot
@Lord_Tryzalot
If you understood thatyourself, you may have been able to defeat me.”
They would be even.It was said so many times that gunha is basically science Ollerus.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Raildex should become more like jojo
characters should come up with creative ways to use their powers

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@VisualMaster
As much as I like Raildex, I really really can't stand the fact that DARK matter ist fucking WHITE. I mean, come on, that shit's called dark for the sole reason that IT DOES NOT INTERACT WITH LIGHT SO IT CANNOT HAVE A COLOR

5mileys
5mileys

@likme
A common thug is not a serious opponent

@viagrandad
And she was only able to fight her thanks to Uiharu's support

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Spazyfool
Gunha is probably growing into another direction than Level 6 so who knows.
“Academy City has seven Level 5s. However, the predictive calculations of Tree Diagram >have established that there is a single one of them who is capable of reaching the as yet >unseen Level 6. The other Level 5s are either growing in a different direction or their bodily >balance would be lost by an increase in dosage.”

Skullbone
Skullbone

@King_Martha
Kids are stupid.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@haveahappyday
Dark Matter is just a nickname, he is not creating real dark matter, he creates matter that doesn't exist

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@lostmypassword
Wasn't it said that although Accelerator is the only one who can reach Level 6 that the other Level 5's would grow in different directions away from Level 6?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@5mileys
Somebody trying to stab you with a knife while fucking up your vision so you can't tell where they are is pretty fucking serious. And we're not talking about her winning the fight, we're talking about her calculations being thrown off by stress, which is demonstrated over and over again to not happen.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@5mileys
And she was only able to fight her thanks to Uiharu's support

You make it sound like Uiharu was making her dodge those instant kills.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@BunnyJinx
Isn´t that what the text literally said?
@lostmypassword

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@VisualMaster
I don't understand how that guy never wins.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Raving_Cute
“…Come to think of it, I did find it odd,” said Mugino Shizuri as if she had recalled something. “I caught a glimpse of a project involving the #3 once. She was tricked when she was a little kid in order to provide her DNA map. That map was used to mass produce military cellular clones. …But when you think about it rationally, the time period does not make sense. I’m pretty sure that the #3 took time to work up from Level 1 to Level 5. In other words, at the point when she provided her DNA map, she was not yet a Level 5.”

The idea of military clones was shocking, but Hamazura did not think it would be impossible given Academy City’s technology.

“In other words, did the researchers know from the beginning that she would become a Level 5, so they got ahold of her DNA map ahead of time?”

In response, the woman in the suit gave a heavy breath within her helmet.

“Well, there are some problems with the Parameter List. For instance, the DNA patent and the living resource of a Level 5 are very valuable, but quite a bit of money is needed to obtain them. However, with a Level 1 who possesses the possibility of becoming a Level 5 in the future, those things can be obtained much more cheaply. When a fragment of the list is leaked, problems occur where blood is shed in secret due to people trying to get rich quick off of it.”

“…”

“But if you look at everything together, I think it works out as a positive thing. Putting together complex Curriculums for people who aren’t going to grow is just a waste of time, money, and resources. By distributing what would have been wasted with a focus on the useful espers, it is all much more effective in the end.”

Seems to imply some people won't grow regardless of what AC does.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Garbage Can Lid
Not in a city full with faggots with super powers
and it was shown several times that she can't use her power under stress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uFcrWd-u6o

@King_Martha
Information is important in battle and everything Kuroko knew about her, like her powers and current locations, came from Uiharu
Saten also helped

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@haveahappyday
Are you retarded?
If it does not interact with light at all it would be
invisible.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Crazy_Nice
dark matter in real life is invisible

JunkTop
JunkTop

@BlogWobbles
And this is Gunha we're talking about here. Do you think he would actually sit down and try to figure how his powers actually work? He would rather be out showing people his guts instead of doing that.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Skullbone
Plus all of the kids in AC are brain damaged anyway.
@lostmypassword
@BunnyJinx
And yet Kakine is a functional backup of Accel and easily more powerful (simply due to being able to steal accel's power) if random bullshit didn't keep fucking with him.
That satellite has been suspicious from the get go and little inconsistencies like that make me think it's not really making predictions alot of the time so much as making the idiot scientists do what Alister wants them to do.

Inmate
Inmate

@ZeroReborn
Kuroko looks pretty cute in that pic.

Firespawn
Firespawn

So where the heck can one read the mango? Batoto only has up to chapter 67.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Spamalot
The fact that the Level 6 Shift was literal complete bullshit makes that pretty much a fact user.

Tree Diagram's processor was probably made of an Ipod, with the only file being Aleister laughing.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@King_Martha
But they do though. Magicians completely twists the meaning and interpretation of the mythology they are drawing their powers from to cast some of the most bullshit powers ever. And then you have Accelerator hacking people's brains, Mugino creating artificial eye and arm, Takitsubo reverse hacking into people's power. Both espers and magicians have been using their powers in very creative ways.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Sharpcharm
I was being open to the possibility that failing was part of the tree diagram's plan so that my foot wouldn't get in my mouth.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@JunkTop
@JunkTop
you think he would actually sit down and try to figure how his powers actually work
Dude if the Kiharas can´t figure out he probably will need much more time.
And who says he isn´t exectly doing what he says he is doing?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Reminder that Othinus is the best girl in the franchise.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@JunkTop
He would probably do it if you phrase it to him in terms of a shonen training arc.

Kamachi seems to hate that shit though, so unlikely to happen.

takes2long
takes2long

Will we ever know who #6 is?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Spamalot
@Sharpcharm
Kakine literally lost his body function before he was ably to coby
Personal Reality.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@BunnyJinx
The problem with that particular statement is that we know what the Radio Project is really for, so them basing the entirely of what the Parameter list is about on Misaka and her clones is already wrong. Also, as we seen from the level up project, it is entirely possible to raise up a person's power through artificial means, even if it ended up with them in comas. Not to mention now that we have Takitsubo, power levels are now completely irrelevant.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Emberburn
Rikou can't do that yet (or hasn't figured out how), and probably won't either forever, or at least until the final arc of the series.

And i'm not sure what the particular problem is. They had to have known that the Sisters had the potential for power or there would've been no point.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@haveahappyday
The guy randomly showed up in a middle of a fight to protect defenseless trees. He does not possess the mental acuity and patience to figure how his powers actually work

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Inmate
She can be pretty cute when she´s not being lewd

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Emberburn
The problem with that particular statement is that we know what the Radio Project is really for, >so them basing the entirely of what the Parameter list is about on Misaka and her clones is >already wrong.
Why Misaka wasn´t the only Elektromaster
@Emberburn
Also, as we seen from the level up project,
Its not realy they own power.
Takitsubo, power levels are now completely irrelevant
She yet has to reach Level 5

TreeEater
TreeEater

@MPmaster
Now that's just total bullshit. There's no reason to assume SO(3) symmetry, thus the spherical coordinates ansatz is not justified. Hell, the assumption of exponential time dependence is even wrong, since the hamiltonian is clearly time-dependent. You have to be trolling, mate.
Also every fucking wave function is by definition a vector in a Hilbert space, so if you can't show me the exact point where it is stated, that Accel can only manipulate 3D space vectors, I'm gonna assume he can control everything QM.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Firespawn
Index or Railgun? Index isn't scanlated, but it should start up again when it gets past the anime (maybe a year at most). If you mean Railgun, I'm not sure why it isn't up there, but you can always search the archive for individual chapters.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Sharpcharm
It's been constantly implied throughout NT that she had been using her powers. Not to mention as Kakine has found out, she actually succeeded in her attempt against him. She affected the powers of a level 5, she is a level 5 in all but name now. I'm sure she already can use that power but decided not to since it had a very high probability of getting the Kihara's involved and possibly separating her from Shiage.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Inmate
Manga Kuroko is the cutest
@SomethingNew

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Sharpcharm
Influencing Personal Realities does not equal creating them or taking them away. Crowley knows basically everything, if she had that sort of power she'd be reclassified by now.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Snarelure
Why is protecting defenceless trees a sign of Mentel fuzziness and recklessness

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@King_Martha
Time FOR HER to teleport a rock in the brain: 1 second.
Welp.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@BunnyJinx
Meant Index. Railgun's up and gets updated all the time from what I can see, but Index has had no updates in over a year or something.

I'm curious, though. If Index isn't scanlated, where are all those pics that say "Mangafox" at the bottom from lol?

takes2long
takes2long

@Harmless_Venom
No one knows what Aliester is planning, including us, so we really have no idea what he has planned for her.

@hairygrape
Because he's also out protecting trees in addition to people. Look at how busy Touma's schedule is. Take that and add on tree/other inanimate object defense duty, and Gunha does not have the time to go training.

farquit
farquit

@Ignoramus

Don't espers only level up officially during System Scan? It happens once or twice a year but I think I remember reading that.

askme
askme

@Evil_kitten
It's scanlated up to a point, and there is a group trying to work on it but they haven't got a translator. Maybe check mangafox and see what group is credited on the releases there and then search elsewhere for a download?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Occasional reminder that espers will lose their abilities when they become older.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@takes2long
Touma is a normal Highschool boy.
Gunha is a Superhuman a,Übermensch.
Funny how aleister,aiwass and gunha are alike.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@GoogleCat
Or that the last generation was just weak as shit.

We know that this is the first generation of Level 5s. Earlier generations are probably made up of a shitload of zeros with some 1s, a few 2s, and maybe one or two 3s.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Carnalpleasure
Reminder that Othinus killed the franchise with her appearance.

Fixed.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@GoogleCat
Why do you think that?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Bidwell
@GoogleCat
AC is only 80 years old
The curriculum is 20 years old
This may as well be the first generation of espers

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@farquit
Probably. And the series has only been going on for like 6 months (because holy shit those compressed events).

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@GoogleCat
Gensei is like 70 and he was fine using esper pwoers, even though he wasn't a "true" esper.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@farquit
Misaka leveled up 4 times over the two years since the passing of her DNA map. We've never actually seen a level up in the narrative yet.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Evilember
Kuroko doesn't fire into her opponent's center
Always tries to pin them by hitting their sides/limbs
You'd have to run forwards or backwards to dodge unless you want to get a needle meant for your arm in a lung or something

I'm surprised she hasn't accidentally killed or severely injured someone yet.

idontknow
idontknow

@Soft_member
I have no idea what point you were trying to make with those three lines. They're three seemingly unrelated statements.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Dreamworx
AC is 50 years old.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Nude_Bikergirl
Gensei honestly can't be all that old because the Kihara family in it's current form has only existed as long as AC. Crowley created them.

Unless he got "infected" or something.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@GoogleCat
Makes sense. The older you get, the less delusional you've become since you probably seen some shit. They probably just stop trying to think they can change the world by themselves or something.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Dreamworx
Ellis was 20 years ago.
There's even a high school kid who knocked up a college teacher in Volume 19.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Raving_Cute
Maybe he just joined later.
I mean, being a Kihara isn't about blood but about personality.
Noukan is the living proof of that.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@GoogleCat
implying

StonedTime
StonedTime

@GoogleCat
This ain't medaka box fag.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@RumChicken
This isn't how physics work. Accel, cannot interact with things outside of 3d otherwise he could just let things pass by him instead of reflecting everything. The author, being a SCIENCE dumbass, make it so people go powerleveling and accept his edgy boy is unbeatable .

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Soft_member
He likes reflecting things. It hurts the person attacking him. It's not a bug, it's a feature.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Playboyize
already second most popular girl in the series without even appearing in the anime, making it to the top 5 of female LN characters and top 10 general

How about no.

TechHater
TechHater

Kuroko has strict limits on weight and distance, and she's limited to teleporting things she touches directly. With these limits she is forever a level 4.

Awaki is the superior teleporter. She could potentially have been level 5 before her self-teleportation block was created.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@kizzmybutt
Assuming i meant popularity wise

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Spamalot
Kakine is literally shit. He got BTFO. There's a reason that he will never be the #1.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Bidwell
implying your minoritary opinion is relevant

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@idontknow
Touma lose must of his Time because he is ,,normal`.
Gunha is not even normal if he breaks somethig, one second later he is fine.
coupled with his other abilitys he should be fine .That was my first line.My second and third line were unrelated things like how gunha fits Nietsches description of the Übermensch.And the 3 line dealts about how Aleister live is about Efficiency.Aiwass about value and gunha about Guts.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Soft_member
Accel, cannot interact with things outside of 3d otherwise he could just let things pass by him instead of reflecting everything.
But that's exactly what he does. You're showing that you haven't even watched the anime. He actively chooses what things he vectors and what he doesn't. That's why he's still affected by gravity, still able to breathe air, doesn't vector the ground away from his feet when he walks, etc. At one point he even selectively vectors sound so he doesn't have to listen to Last Order babbling.

Reflection is just the most basic application of his power also. He has full control of any vectors he touches (and those he doesn't touch with his power ups). The simplest use of his power is to create an automatic filter that reverses vectors that come into contact with it.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@TechHater
Awaki a shit

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@BinaryMan
There's a reason that he will never be the #1.

Because kamachi is a hack.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@kizzmybutt
Reminder that Othinus is inferior to Mikoto and she will NEVER EVER surpass Mikoto in popularity.
@Carnalpleasure
Fuck off Kakine get back in your fridge.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Soft_member
She's pretty hot tbh fam

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Evilember
Now imagine you're trying to shoot someone that's moving. This is harder, and requires experience and a higher degree of skill.

Maybe if you're five.

Now imagine you're trying to shoot someone that's moving as you are also moving. This is getting pretty damn hard at this point.

Maybe if you're five.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Soft_member
She's a straight upgrade from Kuroko. Far stronger in terms of weight and distance limits and doesn't need to touch things to teleport them. Before she had the block that made it hard for her to teleport herself she was a level 5 candidate.

likme
likme

@Soft_member
Kuroko is even shittier.

@AwesomeTucker
Reminder that Othinus is inferior to Mikoto
Why do you remind us of something that isn't true?

JunkTop
JunkTop

Reminder that NT is shit and you fags should have stopped reading after WW3.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@iluvmen
Kuroko is cuter, and doesn't dress like a prostitute.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Garbage Can Lid
user, I'm not a mind reading, so there was no way I could've gotten all of that from three seemingly random lines. Not to mention that's more of a personal character interpretation rather than facts, so it's just your opinion rather than what actually is.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@AwesomeTucker
You mean That girl who needs to chase after some guy is inferior to a girl who stands already beside him?

SniperGod
SniperGod

@PurpleCharger
Kuroko isn't cuter. She is a raging dyke which automatically makes her shit.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@SniperGod
She's just Misakasexual

Soft_member
Soft_member

@JunkTop
Not reading until it totally shits itself and then pretending that Touma and Accel died in WW3 and the series ended.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Lord_Tryzalot
I know i am sorry if i confused you.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@PurpleCharger
Kuroko is cuter

I object.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Crazy_Nice
It bugs me that teleportation just happens to use vectors cos god forbid Accel have a weakness.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Crazy_Nice
She was also lusting after the big breasted blondie in Liberal Arts City.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@PackManBrainlure
cos god forbid Accel have a weakness.

He does.

Just snipe his head off when his chocker is off.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@PackManBrainlure
He's got a shitload of weaknesses. Teleportation isn't one of them.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Supergrass
Accel was godmode. Then he got nerfed, but still almost godmode. Then he got TWO powerups. Like what the fuck even are 'imaginary vectors'?

JunkTop
JunkTop

@w8t4u
A vector with a imaginary number?

Nojokur
Nojokur

I'd teleport into her if you catch my drift

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@ZeroReborn
Awaki looks a mess, worst twintails

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@w8t4u
Main power-up for Black Wings was being able to influence vectors he's not touching. Main one for White Wings was physical durability and speed.

Maybe more than that, but he's never in either of those states for very long so we don't really know what they do.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Stupidasole
Skimmed through for that supposed scene but never found it.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@SomethingNew
Are you mad that she put that piece of shit in a wheelchair then got more screen time than her?

Methnerd
Methnerd

Why does Kamachi hate lolis so much?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@ZeroReborn
More powerful ones probably do.

JunkTop
JunkTop

herp derp fighting
What about assassinations? She can kill anyone that doesn't have an always active passive defense like Accel. Or in a fight, she should still be able to win if the enemy's attention is distracted from her by someone or something.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Methnerd
Because they're shit. The worst characters in index are loli's.

askme
askme

@King_Martha
@VisualMaster
@Ignoramus
Current Kakine is like Kazakiri in that Imagine Breaker is a literal OHK.

By the way, what on earth did Kakine find so functional about a beetle that not only would original asshole Kakine use many of them, but new good Kakine has it as his default form (hence the name Beetle 05)?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

When will haimura updaed his website?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@JunkTop
A sniper can do that job more efficiently.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@MPmaster
Except it will be an obvious murder. Kuroko can make it look like an accident.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@LuckyDusty
Awaki's PTSD is the reason she's not Level 5 right now.

Techpill
Techpill

@askme
He used them like tanks, I guess it's easier for him to copy existing creatures rather than design his own thing. Since he can't do actual tanks, huge beetles with guns on them are the closest biological equivalent.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Methnerd
It's her own fault for fucking with the best girl.

Techpill
Techpill

@Spamalot
True, that Railgun he caught with his teeth was only at 30% power

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@whereismyname
But she didn't fuck with Misaki.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@GoogleCat
Misaki an alright.

girlDog
girlDog

@askme
He probably likes beetles just like how Misaka likes frogs.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Techpill
Huh, I guess that makes sense. Thanks.

Illusionz
Illusionz

...WHY is the Invisible Thing sealed in the first place? Is it evil or something? It never seems to make an appearance long enough for us to find out.

massdebater
massdebater

@Illusionz
It's only sealed because Imagine Breaker put up tent into Touma's hand.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@askme
He probably just watched Kamen Rider as a kid.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@TurtleCat
More like a best.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@whereismyname
@GoogleCat
@TurtleCat
@Stark_Naked
Can you faggots like not do this? This here is a good old Raildex powerlevel thread where pseudo-science experts come out and show us how knowledgeable they are

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Why did he even want to get close to Crowley in the first place again?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Lord_Tryzalot
Inferiority complex.
Coolest power tho.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@eGremlin
Coolest power
I don't read index, what is his power? Doesn't he just create generic energy or whatever

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@PurpleCharger
Dark Matter (未元物質ダークマター Migen Busshitsu (Dāku Matā)?, lit. "Unknown Matter"), is his esper ability which allows him to create and control an unknown material that he uses to attack. It should be noted that the term "Dark Matter" is not to be confused with the true "Dark Matter" which is among the components of the universe. In addition, 'unknown matter' here does not mean matter that has not been discovered by humans but matter that did not exist until it was created by Teitoku. The material he creates defies the Laws of Physics, allowing him to produce 25,000 different types of energy.[5] He can use the substance and apparently shape it in any form he desires. The most obvious of this is the six angelic wings, which grants him the power to fly, blow powerful gusts of wind that is affected by Dark Matter, and have sunlight pass diffract upon it to form harmful rays of light.[5] The Dark Matter can apparently also be invisible, hence the reason why he is able to apply an invisible pressure on Yomikawa Aiho without touching her.[1] When fighting Kinuhata Saiai, he is also able to utilize his ability to create a strange explosion which is able to instantly knock Saiai out.[16] His Dark Matter can initially even strike through Accelerator's Reflection, though after Accelerator took into account how 'normal' physics don't work on Teitoku's ability he re-calculated and managed to reflect Teitoku's Dark Matter, and even use it against him later. His ability also appears to grant him a form of super strength, though he is still not strong enough to overpower Accelerator with sheer brute force.[5]

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@PurpleCharger
He creates matter that doesn't exist that has any properties he wants it to have. He calls it Dark Matter, but it's not actual dark matter, he just likes the name.

After he gets mulched by Accelerator he fuses his consciousness with his power and basically becomes completely immortal, since he just exists as his Personal Reality now. He was only 'beaten' by one of his clones (though technically both him and all of his clones are equally Kakine) turning good and taking over the Dark Matter network. Now his clone runs around AC saving little girls.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@TurtleCat
Bonus overpowered version

After his revival, it was revealed that he can now seemingly infinitely create a variety of objects using Dark Matter, even organs. Teitoku reveals himself to be able to create a body made out of pure Dark Matter, making him white in the process.

In this seemingly infinite supply of Dark Matter, Teitoku can apparently survive so long as there is Dark Matter. He can create autonomous beings such as a copy of his own body, bodies of other people, and cyborg-like beings like the White Beetles and dragonfly. Teitoku also implies that it is only a matter of time that he can construct full Personal Realities, seemingly real people, and make implementations of other people’s powers before long.[30]

There is a sort of "network" to his creations, where he has some form of control over them and allowing them regenerate their Dark Matter when they are injured.[35] This connection to the network allows Teitoku to live through, despite the destruction of the current core of his form.[33] Effectively, there is now no distinction between the Dark Matter Teitoku produces and Teitoku himself, and it could be said Teitoku has achieved a sort of "immortality".

eGremlin
eGremlin

@BinaryMan
implying Railgun S Sister's arc wasn't the best version of that arc, ever.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Spamalot
@Garbage Can Lid
@TurtleCat
Should be noted that his Dark Matter is really freaky shit. Like it's not even made of atoms or particles or anything according to Kakine, it just exists as itself somehow.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@TurtleCat
25,000 different types of energy
top kek

But seriously, thanks. This "Dark Matter" being visible was one of the most annoying things in the series for me and you fixed that.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@CouchChiller
You thought Kakine was using actual Dark Matter? I see how that would sound pretty retarded.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Harmless_Venom
can't understand basic math better call him names!

go back to leddit

idontknow
idontknow

Still mad fiamma jobbed, fuck this series.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Soft_member
Touma actually died when he was hit with that spell, and that the current Touma is actually a clone created by Heaven Canceler to house IB when the original died.

Frog-face was just bullshitting "Touma" with the flimsy memory erasure explanation.

FastChef
FastChef

@idontknow
In this series, eventually everyone will job.

Even Crowley.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@idontknow
My 3 favorite characters are the top 3 jobbers in this series. Fiamma,Kakine and Ollerus.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Dreamworx
Ollerus
Who did he job to? He only lost to Othinus, which makes sense.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@idontknow
I hope he gets a chance to come back from it, he's not quite a Stiyl-tier jobber yet.

massdebater
massdebater

@idontknow
Fiamma was defeated by Crowley and Crowley is leagues above any other character in the series by far (except Aiwass)

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Deadlyinx
If Aogami was the #6 then he wouldn't be a Kihara, because the #6's name is Aihana Etsu. By the name we can know the #6 isn't a Kihara.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Dreamworx
top 3 jobbers
not including KANZAKI HELP ME

Evilember
Evilember

@Spazyfool
Kanzaki jobs more than him if we're being honest.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Spazyfool
AHHH KANZAKI HELP ME IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Spazyfool
When did he last job? I don't remember him even appearing in NT

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Carnalpleasure
He didn't job
People underestimate Ollerus, he's base Fiamma-tier. Too bad we'll never see him do anything relevant again because of the fairy spell.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Need_TLC
He fought with that giant snake thing off-screen.

It showed up later, so he presumably lost.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Need_TLC
@eGremlin

He also showed up to briefly comment on Touma turning against the Anglicans in NT10. He made threatening noises about killing Touma if need be, but ultimately decided not to show up on the field because he didn't want his face beaten in again.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@DeathDog
killing Touma
styl

idontknow
idontknow

@Ignoramus
He's just flirting.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@idontknow

Kamisato is such a poor replacement.

Othinus fans will shit on me, but she wasn't one millionth as hype as him.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Why is literally everything about the Magic side total shit except Othinus?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@SomethingNew
Her falling for Touma was cringe worthy as fuck.

Fuck female villains.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@TurtleCat
Fucking this. That shit was unbelievably contrived.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@likme
Noukan
not at the top
Shit chart.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Stark_Naked
Aiwass and Ollerus are too low as well, and Kakeru is too high up. It should go Aiwass > Crowley > Gungnir Othinus > Noukan > all

farquit
farquit

@Methnerd
@Garbage Can Lid
LRD pls.

TreeEater
TreeEater

So how strong is this "Accelerator", he might be a warm-up for my Dynamos.
btw is this manga/anime good? I really liked Medaka Box, is it almost the same kind of story/power?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@SomethingNew
You mean everything but Othinus and Birdway.

Methshot
Methshot

@massdebater
Is that who people are complaining about him losing against? That can't even be called a joke of a complaint, of course he can't beat the final boss.

Fiamma is an important mid arc boss, but final bosses always have some gimmick going on that's more than any character except the MC can deal with basically.

Losing to the strongest guy who's established for ages as "Super important and strong", isn't jobbing.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Best girl never wins.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@massdebater
@Methshot
Pretty sure they're complaining about him jobbing in the recent volume after he just came back.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Fuzzy_Logic
Third worst science girl.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Methshot
Yeah I don't know. Perhaps the invisible thing as well, although that isn't jobbing either.

some gimmick
Well Aleister doesn't really have a gimmick, he's just insanely powerful.

@Sharpcharm
Didn't he lose the Holy Right? Or got extremely weakened to the point that he could only use a fraction of its power? It's no surprise he can't face a serious opponent anymore

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Fuzzy_Logic
Kamachi a hack.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Methshot
It wasn't even a fight. Crowley just straight up backstabbed Fiamma out of nowhere right when he was at his weakest. For all we know Fiamma could have beaten Crowley, or at least put up a good fight. He was important enough that Crowley dealt with him personally.

FastChef
FastChef

@Ignoramus
He was important enough that Crowley dealt with him personally.

He noted the reason at the time

its not because Fiamma was super powerful, that was never a concern. Its because he saw something he shouldn't have, he saw "That" inside of Touma, which could potentially jeopardize Crowley's entire plan if that knowledge gets out.

He had to take him out for that reason personally. While he even said at the time, that's why he had to make it personal, because no one could be allowed to see it.

Although I guess its been seen a bit since then? Maybe its true face was only seen in that moment.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Magic side is way stronger, but most of the discussion is about science powerlevel

Science is super interesting.

Evilember
Evilember

@Raving_Cute
Mikoto is the worst though.

Inmate
Inmate

@Sharpcharm
Because Toaru's magic is boring as shit compared to the shenanigans in the science power system

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Ignoramus
Fiamma couldn't have put up a fight with Crowley at all. The man took on several magic gods and only got out of it with superficial bruises. He could shit all over Fiamma any day, but chose to keep it safe.
There's no character in the series who can put up a fight with Aleister right now, apart from Aiwass. Even Noukan would get his shit kicked in by his own admission (he stated he wouldn't stand a chance against archetype controller)
@Sharpcharm
Magic side is way stronger
It isn't though. Aleister and the Kiharas make it balanced

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Sharpcharm
Magic is older, Science has nearly entirely caught up in 1/10000000th of the time, and magic is making huge strides with each step in strange ways that magic knows it has to be on edge for right away.

Science is set to fuck them up after three or four more revolutions, while magic isn't really growing stronger in the same way.

Even now Science has some shit on their side that Magic cannot touch, which is why they don't invade their ass and be over with it. Magic can only sit there and watch until science starts coming for them.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Sharpcharm
Because the magic side just comes down to who can reality warp harder, there's no strategy involved. Just magic gods everywhere that are immortal and can destroy universes and shit. Meanwhile the science side is actually fun and interesting with lots of different abilities. And weaker characters can actually beat stronger ones in the science side.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Deadlyinx
Aleister and the Kiharas make it balanced
Eh, I'm pretty sure the highest tiers on the magic side > those two. The Magic Gods higher than Othinus at their full power should be stronger.

If you remove the top most tiers on both side, the magic side as a whole greatly out does science.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@RumChicken
Bullshit, just look at the supposedly invincible magic gods

They got fucked up by a faggot that´s floating upside down in his own piss for decades now and his talking golden retriever

I don´t even know why I´m still reading this series

Emberburn
Emberburn

@SniperGod
Only because they got depowered by a gazillion times.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@haveahappyday

see @Techpill

Real Life is not CoD retard

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