Why can't japs write bros being bros without them acting like they're gay as...

Nojokur
Nojokur

Why can't japs write bros being bros without them acting like they're gay as fuck ?

Seriously just looking at these two characters feels like I'm watching yaoi.

All urls found in this thread:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romantic_friendship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece
Skullbone
Skullbone

@Nojokur
Rider is 100% straight bro
Waver is the fag

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Nojokur
Maybe you're just insecure about your own sexuality, and see homoerotic themes where they don't exist. Faggot.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Are you sure you're not the one who is slightly homosexual, OP?

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Nojokur
Maybe you are a fujoshi in denial, because I didn't see anything gay here

SniperGod
SniperGod

There were zero (heh) indications of any sexuality in that character dynamic. It is entirely coming from your own minds, you faggots.

Waver was a little too whiny and bitchy for my liking, but team rider was the best part of the story.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

ALEXANDER THE GREAT WAS BI. so you are half right

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Nojokur
Waver grows up to have women hanging off of him.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Nojokur
Son

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Nojokur
I didnt get that vibe from them
Their relationship felt similar to a father-son one

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Nojokur
If fujoshi money makes creating the shows I enjoy easier, i'm all for the pandering. That being said, I don't remember anything overtly homoerotic in their relationship.

King_Martha
King_Martha

OP here.

Waver's a tremendous faggot. He actually like your average tsundere even blushing and all.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@King_Martha
That still doesn't give the relationship itself homosexual undertones.
Just admit you want to suck dicks, already.

likme
likme

@King_Martha
Yes, he's a male tsundere, but even back then Alex was trying to set him up with chicks.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Waver should've won

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Nojokur
feels like I'm watching yaoi
yea you would know

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Skullbone
Rider is 100% straight bro

But he's canonically bisexual.

Waver is a fag, though.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Nojokur
That sounds more like the issues are on your side, OP.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Nojokur
What makes you think they weren't trying for yaoi

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@haveahappyday
Who are the two fluid druids on the right.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@SniperGod
There were zero (heh) indications of any sexuality in that character dynamic.

Waver literally had an erection and came to his pants when he saw Rider in the novel.

They sleep on the same bed, cuddling with Rider naked and his soft snores are by Waver's ear.

Waver gets dickslapped on the Manga version.

They are lovers in an AU where heroic spirits reincarnated.

They are pushed as a couple by Type Moon before the anime, with implications they had sex in the woods.

Waver ignores Medusa who comes on him and every women unless they remind him to Rider.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@CouchChiller
One is Flat Escardos.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@haveahappyday
And he ignores all of them.

Including Medusa. Meanwhile he's all for fuccboi Alexander in Grand Order.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Carnalpleasure
TM ufo ever making anything even remotely adult in nature
Literally pushing their largest demographic away. It would've been a terrible choice.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Nojokur
Rider
gay
excuse me?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Emberburn
still no HGW with Godzilla

What the fuck are you doing, Nasu?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Nojokur
Alexander the Great had sex with men. And Waver is British so he's also a faggot.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Boy_vs_Girl
all lies

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Nojokur
why is a character based on a famous historical homo giving me gay vibes
It's practically fucking canon, they aren't just 'acting' gay as fuck. And there's nothing wrong with that, they're still bro as fuck regardless.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Emberburn
Is this from the Strange Fake manga? Is it true that Baccano writer is on this because Baccano was pretty interesting.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

they weren't gay

user, Butcher wrote them following the dynamics of the ancient greek homosexuality.

Which is literally an older guy guiding a younger, beardless youth (a fuccboi) into adulthood. Those were how men dated in Alexander's time. They are "bros" and "mentor figures" but always with a sexual understone and Waver was obviously into Rider. He was attracted physically to him since he saw him and it's been pointed in numerous times that he ignores all women. Loli kayneth, all his students, Medusa, Young Taiga. He's Gay.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@SniperGod
Yes and yes.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@SniperGod
Yes.

@King_Martha

Someone please post Waver getting Rider's monster cock on his face.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@StrangeWizard
A gay man would never be given his own light novel series.

Waver will hook up with a member of his harem at some point by the end.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Nude_Bikergirl
There's nothing romantic between him and his students.

He's not hooking up with anyone because most of Waver's popularity is because of his relationship with Rider. That was what listed when people voted for him in the Type Moon Popularity Poll.

And yes, Type Moon implied they were a couple long before this. They published a 4koma with Rider and Waver fucking offscreen and have this AU Sensha Otoko with Girl Waver and Iskandar as The Couple.

Nasu's also using Grand Order with Waver 'possessed' by Chinafag but remaining mostly himself with Chinafag powers to establish more how OTP they are. Look at his final forms. He got Okeanus and Rider's cloak.

They speak openly about Rider fucking dudes too and he's the most popular male character after Archer. Of course, unlike Waver, he does seem interested on women too.

Waver so far has only show interested on Rider. I don't think it's a case of gay and more a case of single target sexuality.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Sir_Gallonhead
Mark my words he'll be fucking a chick by the end of Case Files. Probably Gray.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@BinaryMan
Gray is likely ending up with le Chien.

Waver's like 30-40 and she's 17 dude. He's more of a father figure to those kids.

askme
askme

@Stark_Naked
28-29. He was 19 in Zero, Case Files takes place a little bit before the 5th War.

He'll get a chick by the end. Japan likes to joke about homos and do fanservice, but at the end of the day they're not gonna make a protagonist like him outright gay.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@LuckyDusty
Medusa is a wanton slut and a rapist who probably carries half of all the named STDs.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@likme
Tried to hook him up with Taiga

Just when I thought Rider couldn't get any better. Is there no end to his good taste!?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Will Lorelei show up in Case Filles?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@askme

He won't end up with anyone, user. This isn't that type of LN.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Fuzzy_Logic
At least UFO had the good taste to take it out

Jesus christ Japan, what the fuck

girlDog
girlDog

@Stark_Naked
Gray is not getting a boyfriend, Weiba is not getting with anyone.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Nojokur
Why can't japs write bros being bros without them acting like they're gay as fuck ?

There was nothing gay about their relationship though. You have a 1000+ year old dude thrown into a world he never experienced by a child in his eyes. If anything Rider/Waiver's relationship was enduring really.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@haveahappyday
UFO wanted to portray Alexander butt naked as he was until he got his pants but the tv censors didn't permit it.

I don't see what's wrong with the type of gay relationship Alexander and Waver have, it's perfectly on page with Alexander times and it's not the typical Anime Modern gay relationship.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Harmless_Venom
@Harmless_Venom
There was nothing gay about their relationship though.
@StrangeWizard

There was. But not the modern way to conceive gay relationships. It was back then when fucking your bro and guiding your fuccboi was the thing men do to be manly while chicks were just brood mares.

massdebater
massdebater

So when Caster summoned that eldritch abomination in the river. Why didn't Lancer just use his magic spear to kill it ?

I mean his spear leaves wounds that can't heal.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Nojokur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romantic_friendship
Because you're uncomfortable with intimate friendship and rationalize it by calling them fags

eGremlin
eGremlin

@massdebater

Because they wanted to show Saber off.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@SniperWish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Sir_Gallonhead
And yes, Type Moon implied they were a couple long before this. They published a 4koma with Rider and Waver fucking offscreen and have this AU Sensha Otoko with Girl Waver and Iskandar as The Couple.
You're lying. It's probably fujoshit baiting and pandering. It's probably just misleading noncanical stuff

King_Martha
King_Martha

I'm monitoring this thread to know the truth.

no homo

girlDog
girlDog

@Fuzzy_Logic
I don't mind

SniperGod
SniperGod

@SniperWish
I know what intimate friendship is but intimate friendship's more like how Caster and his master interracted.

But the way they acted was clearly faggoty as fuck. Waver's being all tsundere and shy about it which isn't how really close friends should act.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@BinaryMan
Waver disregards women (and politics. And opportunities) and acquires videogames. He pretty much grudgingly does his job, then goes back to failing at improving himself/playing vidya before the next task gets dumped on him and the cycle repeats.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@haveahappyday
I'm not denying that Alexander is gay, I'm making a general point that Western audiences are more prone to jump to accusations of romance as a result of friendly intimacy that goes beyond Western acceptable standards

Bidwell
Bidwell

@TalkBomber
Sounds like the ideal fantasy for aging NEETs.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

All the fuccbois in this thread
but muh waver, he is just like us , right? ;_;

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Bidwell
Kind of. But yeah, let's put it this way: the closest thing to ship-teasing (or what would pass for such if you squint really hard) for either Luvia and Gray is with Shirou rather than Waver, and he's not even in the fucking novels.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@DeathDog
noncanical stuff
Type Moon

user, Waver had a raging hard on because of Rider in the fucking Fate Zero novel.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@RavySnake
When was Gray shipteased with Shirou? She has that Dog guy.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@TalkBomber
He pretty much grudgingly does his job
Nah, he works his ass off by his own volition. He just happens to be stuck tutoring kids who all individually possess qualities that makes him resent their company.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Nojokur
Why can't japs write bros being bros without them acting like they're gay as fuck ?
Roy Mustang and Mays Hughes.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Burnblaze
Does it count if Hughes needs to remind the audience he has a cute wife and daughter every five minutes?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Nojokur
@Boy_vs_Girl
Urobuchi is into homo shit. It's nothing new.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Anyone up for bullying Kariya for a bit?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

why is Alexander the Great and this brittish fuccboi who seems to ignore women and is full erect when he sees the bara act gay?

They are bros being bros when in the ancient times it means fucking the said bros in a bro way for broship.

Homosexuality was a man's thing to do. Only weak shits stick to women only.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@StrangeWizard
Why don't you go fuck some man and show how secure you are with your sexuality.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@AwesomeTucker
You filthy Pakis should be nuked from orbit.

Evilember
Evilember

@Fuzzy_Logic
It's just a dick, son.
As long as it's not entering any butts or mouth, it's not gay.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@DeathDog
Why would I want to bull this creature?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@massdebater
The squid was pretty big and had growth potential.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Need_TLC
Kariya couldn't work as character as a girl, no woman would ever put themselves through that much suffering for the desperate hope of taking someone else's place in their family

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Least we get to see these two interacting in G/O

Even when roles are reversed, the dynamic continues.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@StrangeWizard
Enhanced moe > what you said

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@StrangeWizard
I still wonder why he didn't just take Sakura with him and escaped. His whole character is like those greek tragedies where you're just supposed to cry at his sorrow.

@CouchChiller
Please tell me this isn't Rider. Or that they at least had the decency of turning him into a girl

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@BinaryMan
Please tell me this isn't Rider. Or that they at least had the decency of turning him into a girl

Its young Rider

Rider summoned when he was just a kid smoldering with dreams. His abilities and NP are slightly different in that form, kind of like how Medusa's abilities are different if she's summoned as the Gorgon.

Lot of posters apparently bitched about how Alexander was a pretty boy in life and not a man mountain, how "Why isn't his horse his NP", and "I'll have you know that his army fucking hated him, and they wanted to go back home"; Type Moon was happy to oblige by giving those people the version they always wanted apparently.

Older Alexander is also a servant though.

idontknow
idontknow

@BinaryMan
It's Shotaskandar.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@BinaryMan
I still wonder why he didn't just take Sakura with him and escaped.
By the time the war came around, it wasn't so much about saving Sakura as it was about saving Sakura so Aoi could praise him for it.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Lord_Tryzalot
if she's summoned as the Gorgon.

Wait, she got a card for that in GO ? What is the illustration ? And what the hell does that even means ? Which class is she summoned with ?

SniperGod
SniperGod

Nasu is a hack, he can't write characters in general.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Carnalpleasure
No, she did not get a card for that in GO. Pic related is what she looks like in that game.

FastChef
FastChef

Are there any images of his liquid metal maid?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Emberburn
What servant class would Hitler be?

farquit
farquit

@Sir_Gallonhead
They published a 4koma with Rider and Waver fucking offscreen
What?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Garbage Can Lid
Shielder.

Evilember
Evilember

@Garbage Can Lid
He commanded an army, so Rider obviously.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@BinaryMan
I still wonder why he didn't just take Sakura with him and escaped.

As soon as he accepted Zouken's deal, he couldn't escape or run, Zouken was already in him and could kill him whenever. As soon as Kariya returned home to confront Zouken in the first episode, same deal, there was no escape, he either died there or he would accept the worms and prove useful.

The only outcome that could not end with that possibility, is if he somehow stopped Zouken before taking a single step in the house. Kariya doesn't know any magic police that could take him in though, magus assosiation don't care as long as he's not causing a fuss out in the open, and a recent interview stated without much doubt that even if Tokiomi knew the truth about Sakura he wouldn't give a shit. He basically knew, but that just demonstrates how magus morals are different from human morals. From a magus point of view he was not incorrect, nor would he go back against it.

Kariya was powerless, so he wagered the only thing he had to try to stop this, and ended up self destructing in the process.

For every "Why didn't he just do this" people can imagine, there's mostly an answer.

People often say "Why didn't he just tell Lancelot to kill Zouken". It would not have worked, you can't kill Zouken like that, you can only do it if you find his true worm out of all of them. The second Kariya tried it, he'd be dead, eaten from the inside out by Zouken. Its the same reason Kariya didn't tell Tokiomi what was happening to Sakura; if you do anything against Zouken, when he's in you, he can kill you at any point.

@StonedTime
Not really correct; sure his mental facilities got more deranged as it goes on, he loses sight of his goal and we saw how he degraded and fell to some other ways.

However saving Sakura was still basically the biggest part at that point, its still the last thing he tried to do.

@Carnalpleasure
@DeathDog
Gorgon Medusa is in the leaked list

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Lord_Tryzalot
Well I understand the bitching. They're butchering a historical character. It'd be like turning King Arthur into a qt.

Seriously though that character has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with Iskandar, the only similarity is them having red hair

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@DeathDog
Why is Medusa such a slut?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@kizzmybutt
without much doubt that even if Tokiomi knew the truth about Sakura he wouldn't give a shit.

Well damn. Even with the fact it destroyed most of her "talent" ?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@kizzmybutt
Before anyone asks

TMF: Did Tokiomi know what Sakura suffered after adopted by the Matou?

Urobuchi: What is important is not to Tokiomi parentage but magical progress in his family. So it is aware of having literally threw his daughter. One can imagine that Tokiomi says that through his beloved daughter, he will arrive to have higher thaumaturgic powers.

Tokiomi knew what was going to undergo Sakura but for him, it would allow it to become a real magician. As long as it increases the potential thaumaturgical of his family, he had no problem with Sakura treatments in the Matou family. However, if he had known the fate of Sakura, being a matrix for Zouken , he refused . He also thought that if things went too far, Sakura could stop Zouken herself. Unconsciously, even if he would never have said, the fight between Sakura and Rin at the end of Heaven's Feel for him was the best thing that could happen to the Tohsaka family.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Emberburn
She got Grail hax in return.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@iluvmen
Its the same guy but younger; get ripped in five years if you learn to conquer, its the ultimate work out.

People bitched, so they gave them the version they wanted, they can be happy now over there.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Garbage Can Lid
Just in HF.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Emberburn
If it improves the odds of her reaching the Root, there's no problem.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@kizzmybutt
He did manage to run away for 10 years though.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Is it bad that I want both Riders to fuck me mercilessly

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Illusionz
That was before worms were in him

Second that happened, second he returned home at all, there was only one path. He eats you, or you agree to get worms in you; you win the grail, or you die of worms. There is no running away after you get in the house. Once you have Zouken inside of you, he owns you, he can kill you at any point.

However in order to save Sakura, he had to go back and try to stop him immediately, even trying to offer whatever he had to try to make a deal with him.

Only way that could have been avoided even potentially, is if Kariya knew some super magus hitman that could deal with Zouken before Kariya even entered the house, or if there were magic cops that could deal with him, since regular cops wouldn't do shit.

The magic cops won't do shit however as long as Zouken isn't being overt, Kariya doesn't know anyone who can deal with Zouken, even servants would have trouble with Zouken's amazing tenacity to keep living, nothing can kill him easily, the only piece Kariya had to gamble with was himself.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@BinaryMan
Considering that neither of them is Astolfo or Cake, yeah, it's pretty bad.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@BinaryMan
You mean Ishkandar and Alexander?

What positions are we talking about here?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Illusionz
Because before FZ, he was just being a weak mage who isn't going to matter jack to Zouken. It's less he managed to run away and more Zouken not giving a fuck.

Inmate
Inmate

@Nojokur
What is male nichijou

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

They didn't act gay

Your projecting yourself onto the relationship

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Stark_Naked
I wonder what would have happenned if Kariya had known Kiritsugu.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Stark_Naked
The magic cops won't do shit however as long as Zouken isn't being overt
Why would they bother? It's not like he's done anything that'd warrant a crackdown.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Gigastrength
Rule 63 Kariya looks uncannily like Shinji

WebTool
WebTool

@Emberburn
That's what I'm saying

They don't care as long as he's not doing anything out in the open, not showing magic before the world in some way, or killing too many people where he can be seen.

He is killing people occasionally to give himself a new body, but he's not overt.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Spazyfool
Kerry would probably not bother going through the trouble of terminating the Wormgeezer. He'd just use Kariya to win the war like he'd already planned to do.

FastChef
FastChef

@kizzmybutt
What about this one?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@FastChef
Kariya's not angry, he's just a maniac from all the suffering he's been put through

takes2long
takes2long

@BlogWobbles
He's kinda funny when he's angry, though.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Stark_Naked
Well even Kotomine was touched by that man's story. So maybe Kiristugu'd help him, especially because of his past and all.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@haveahappyday
even Kotomine was touched by that man's story

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@StrangeWizard
Medusa and Iskandar

Methshot
Methshot

@haveahappyday
Kiritsugu
helping anyone

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Methshot
tfw no doujin of Saber NTRing the shit out of Kiritsugu while he endures it for the greater good

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Nojokur
takamura always tugging on ippo's dick
nips gonna nip

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@haveahappyday
even Kotomine was touched by that man's story
I think you've got the wrong impression of Kotomine.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@TalkBomber
Well yeah he was enjoying watching the guy suffer. It actually made him feel something

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Methshot
Asshole Kerrytugu is the best.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@haveahappyday
touched by that man's story
You mean stroking his tragedy boner.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Nojokur
Because everyone is too pretty.
So you project your desire to fuck onto their relationship.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@viagrandad
It's really Kariya's fault for being such a miserable piece of garbage in the first place.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Nojokur

Rider and Waver are bros. If they seem gay to you, maybe you're just projecting.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Nojokur
Because bros being bros are usually gay as fuck too. It's why they have to say "no homo" before they do anything.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Sir_Gallonhead
I want to see you try getting worms inside your body giving you magic, summoning a hero of legends and having said worms swallow every bit of life you have. All that while still clinging on to life so you can save the daughter of the guy who stole your wife.

massdebater
massdebater

@RavySnake
the guy who stole your wife
Why am I surprised that Kariyafags are as delusional as he is?

Inmate
Inmate

@RavySnake
I admit, I'd probably not do very well with any of that. However, I wouldn't find myself in that position to begin with, so from the start I already come out ahead.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@massdebater
Well he was gonna get married to her at first. Then left her when he realized Zouken would be kidnap his children or something.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@farquit
Are you this new? It was when the cd drama were out. They have been pretty open with waver and rider as otp, as shirou and saber and nero and hakuno, they are king/master pairing.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@CouchChiller
Waver is only happy around him

;_;

MPmaster
MPmaster

@StrangeWizard
Why not both?

Lunatick
Lunatick

@King_Martha
nero and hakuno

Isn't the CCC manga basically all about how Casko is his super waifu or something?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Lunatick

Foxtail is just an AU and has male Hakuno. I'm talking of Wada making the iconic Shirou and Saber scene with Nero and female Hakuno.

Rider and Waver have this scene in the manga adaptation of Fate/Zero.

It's hetero, yuri and yaoi version.

They aren't shy to admit Rider would have also fucked Sola and Fast Wheels if they summoned him.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Garbage Can Lid
I'm just saying I've never really seen much particular leaning between Nero and Hakuno in stuff. There's a lot of shit with Tamamo for the male version and Archer for the female version though.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Lunatick
CCC True and main heroine is Sakura, Nasu spoke about this already. MC literally has to forget she existed to get with someone else. You're speaking of Foxtail which is an AU route manga.

But among the Servants, Nero's always given the star treatment.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@haveahappyday
Just because pederasty was practiced by a minority in Ancient Greeks doesn't mean all Ancient Greeks were gay.

And pederasty wasn't recorded in Macedonia. It may not be something common. Not all Greek regions/city states were the same.

TechHater
TechHater

@Spazyfool
Archer for the female version though.

Archer friendzoned her. Nero nearly has sex with Hakuno if you are in common route (and not CCC/true).

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@SniperWish
And pederasty wasn't recorded in Macedonia.

user, Alexander's mentor is Aristotle and Alexander was a lover of the culture from Athens. One of the things that made his relationship with his best friend "unspeakable" was the implication it was Alexander taking it from the ass. Because he was the younger man and he wasn't doing a younger boy.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Stark_Naked
/thread

iluvmen
iluvmen

@TechHater
I still really don't remember much pushing of Nero above anyone else in terms of like, "star crossed lovers" or anything.

Inmate
Inmate

@SniperWish
Rider is officially bisexual.

Gen and a couple of people confirmed it. He would even fuck Hot Wheels.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@SniperWish
Alexander the Great was part of that minority though, so what's your point?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@iluvmen

It's less of star crossed lovers and more "ruler heals or is helped by his/her Master." Waver helps Iskandar to reach Oceanus and allows him to save one of his people which he wishes to do. By doing that, he's satisfied (the anime didn't come across as well as in the LN because the scenes were confusing).

Nero and Altria are also 'saved' by their relationships with their masters while they also help them to become stronger, like role models.

It's true that lacks the star crossed feel of those other two that's probably why it's not as popular.

Despite the Servant fanservice, Blossom is the main heroine of CCC and Extra, because it retconned her to be there since the beginning only she had retconned herself out. And she was responsible to save Hakuno either directly or by sacrifice.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@SniperWish
Not exactly cheating but I think Rider would basically go at it as if to fuck both of them.
Oh yeah, he's bisexual.
Bisexuality was relatively normal for people of ancient times.
Talk about what if Rider had been Kayneth's Servant.

Most/All Servants are bisexual unless they explicitly tell you they aren't. Gilgamesh proclaimed he'll do both men and women without distinction in 2005, in FHA.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Nojokur

I didn't see anything like that when I watched this and even seen a few yaoi series in my time. You're either wearing Y-goggles or you have closet homolust for Rider.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@BunnyJinx
The time paradoxes in CCC are probably a bit more extensive than imagined if you think that's the length of it. Wrapping your mind around it is not quite an Ever17 level feat, but close.

I mean part of your last paragraph makes me want to mention it, but even trying to say it I'm not really close to getting it down. The end has to be reached before the beginning, but that also caused the beginning and thus end.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

I wonder what would have happenned if Rider was Archibald's servant and Lancer was Waver's servant.

They'd probably both have their wishes fullfilled. El Malloi would use all 3 command seals right at the begginning and become irrelevant as Iskandar starts planning his world conquest. Meanwhile Lancer tries his best to be loyal to his master and Waver finally learns how to dig chicks

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