Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1192

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Cornucopia of Resources / Guide (read Guide before asking questions):
http://bitlasers.com/djt

Previous Thread:
https://archive.org/a/thread/130137217

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http://bitlasers.com/djt
https://archive.org/a/thread/130137217
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B44S8edyhw
http://imgur.com/a/HMXIo
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q11107807971
http://wilsonjj.me/jptv
http://www.j-cat.org/
http://hochanh.github.io/rtk/
http://kanji.koohii.com/study
https://ja.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E3%83%B6
https://www.tokyotosho.info/.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFpN84WGqQU
http://www.age.ne.jp/x/nrs/
http://www.age.ne.jp/x/nrs/
http://pauillac.inria.fr/~xleroy/stuff/english-pronunciation.html
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/teform
Firespawn
Firespawn

なるべく諦めない!
なせば大抵なんとかなる!

As long as you never give up and you keep pushing to better yourself, you'll make it no matter what. You CAN learn Japanese!

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
Don't give up yet!

w8t4u
w8t4u

OATS CURRY

Nojokur
Nojokur

A bit random but
19:19 or 7:21. These numbers can be read as a sexual word in Japanese wordplay.
iku iku and uhh what? onanii? where does o come from or is that not it.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Nojokur
It's 07:21

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Nojokur
そういう語呂あわせ ここんとうざい いろいろあるよ さいきんではniconicoで114514が はやっているよ

Playboyize
Playboyize

You can't learn Japanese unless your handwriting is neat

Firespawn
Firespawn

Why does this song remind me of Kyushu/Shikoku https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B44S8edyhw

askme
askme

Mai waifu, do not steal. Fuck you Takeshi

askme
askme


girlDog
girlDog

guys i can't get anki real-time import to work

under Clipboard & Save in the Rikaisama settings what should the Filename be?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@girlDog
Do you not know how to look up kanji by radical?

whereismyname
whereismyname

wake up at noon
tell myself I am definitely going to finish my reps early today
finish them half asleep at 4AM like usual

Will today be any different? I hope so but probably not.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@RavySnake
Are the two related?

RumChicken
RumChicken

@haveahappyday
Yes.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@whereismyname

wake up at 7am
spend half an hour on reps
go to work, do reps on the way
do reps on breaks and lunch
do reps on way home
get home
"ok, time to bang out the rest of these reps!"
no more to do
spend rest of night shit posting on Sheeky Forums instead of learning more with my allotted free time

Every day.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@RumChicken
Then I guess I don't.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@whereismyname
@Ignoramus
doing reps

likme
likme

@haveahappyday
I'll probably stop doing Anki once I become fluent. Only a few more months to go.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Emberfire
Subtle.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Emberfire
Maybe the teacher is trolling you.

likme
likme

@askme
河川敷

5mileys
5mileys

@likme
You need about 20000 words and pass kanken 1-kyu before you can say you're fluent.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

know ~1900 kanji
read the first volume of Yotsubato
MULTIPLE kanji I don't know

Hahaha, the ride never ends.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@TalkBomber
says he knows kanji
doesn't know how to look up the ones he doesn't in a kanji dictionary

w8t4u
w8t4u

@5mileys
By the time you're able to pass kanken 1-kyu you'd know far more words than just 20k. Kanken tests kanji usage in words, and 1-kyu goes far beyond average vocab.

Techpill
Techpill

@TalkBomber
Which ones? There's a bunch of not-so-common kanji in it, but not in volume 1.
I have no idea what the fuck have you been studying if you somehow don't know all kanji from volume 1 at 1900 point.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Spamalot
He's trolling you

Anki real import only works on FF39 I heard. Might want to try that. As for filename I think you can just follow the guide.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@TalkBomber
Are you sure you weren't studying Chinese?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Sir_Gallonhead
Of course I was able to look them up, especially since they have furigana, I'm just overwhelmed by the fact that even nearing the 2000 kanji mark the most basic of basic intro Japanese literature contains kanji I don't know.

@Techpill
I remember 嗜 and 疾 off the top of my head.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@TalkBomber
That's because you learned the wrong kanji.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Supergrass
Is there a difference? Same characters before readings come into play.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@girlDog
Here are my settings

Keep in mind that this also automatically adds audio to every deck

http://imgur.com/a/HMXIo

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Evil_kitten
relying on furigana

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@LuckyDusty
Besides the jouyou list, how does one decide which are the "right" kanji to learn?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@viagrandad
remove Arc

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@viagrandad
fagfox
2015
why would you use a browser developed by SJWs that force their CEO who invented fucking javascript out because he supports traditional marriage user?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Lord_Tryzalot
Why the fuck would you have the guy who invented Javascript working corporate in the first place?

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Lord_Tryzalot
because palemoon is a meme and vivaldi is closed source

@Gigastrength
I bet you still use stock adwaita

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Lord_Tryzalot
Because I choose what programs I use based on their capabilities, features and usability, rather than the private lives of the developers.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@CodeBuns
Chinese use more characters and the characters occur at different frequencies than in Japanese.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@PurpleCharger

Then you still shouldn't be using fagfox because it's a clunky piece of shit that's been playing catchup to chrome for years.

@RavySnake

Because they're better than some generic suit.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@RavySnake
I knew you were a chromefag from your first post.
Enjoy your spyware that's inferior to firefox in every possible way.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@DeathDog
I bet you weren't using Fedora before 21.

girlDog
girlDog

@TurtleCat
spyware
oh wow have to click like 5 buttons to disable all diagnostic/search bar stat uploads
kek

cum2soon
cum2soon

@GoogleCat
I bet you've been wearing fedora since you turned 18.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@GoogleCat
h-how do you know

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@girlDog
It still connects and sends data to google. Nobody really bothers investigating what it sends. Go and check yourself, run a simple TCP monitor.

hairygrape
hairygrape

crank up interval modifier to 200%
put new lapse interval at 30% instead of 0%
go from 300 reps/day to like 100
retention stays the same
suddenly don't hate anki at all while still doing the same 30 words a day
Well damn, why didn't I do it sooner

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Stupidasole
Were you drunk when you learned them?

likme
likme

@RavySnake
@RumChicken
@Sir_Gallonhead
@LuckyDusty
@Lord_Tryzalot
@RavySnake
@cum2soon
cancer
Only 51 posts in and already so much cancer. This is what /djt/ is now.

Evilember
Evilember

@viagrandad
Thanks, but I still can't get it to work. Nothing happens when I highlight a word and hit R.

The guide isn't very helpful, either.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@likme
The old class graduated.
This thread is populated by newfags.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@likme
And always has been. Can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Evilember
you DID install the anki addon in anki itself, right?

Als you have to open the deck in anki that you want to add the cards to

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@DeathDog
Can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
Did you type that with a straight face?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Crazy_Nice
Yeah, I've done both.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Poker_Star
Not hardly. I made the most delicious ahegao as I hit enter.

WebTool
WebTool

@likme
助かったぞ!ありがとう、兄貴。
ぼやきと愚痴は真にスレを好転する。

StonedTime
StonedTime

@likme
Look at you acting all high and mighty.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Emberfire
the romaji is wrong too

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@5mileys
20000 words

You need to know 50000 to be fluent.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@askme
メアリーちゃんは私のワイフ

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@New_Cliche
You only need to know the words that you encounter, to be honest.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Anki real-time import not working

I guess this is a sign that I shouldn't return to Anki.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Ignoramus
How many reps do you do a day? My Core 6k stacked too hard and I'm doing 250+ everyday. That's why I'm not doing new cards for a while. With the rest of my decks, I average at 350+ reps everyday. I'm starting to get tired of it.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@kizzmybutt
350 a day

Babby-tier. Are you being serious about stopping new cards because you can't handle 350 reviews a day?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Illusionz
Not everybody is an amphetaNEET

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Raving_Cute
350 is piss easy if you aren't writing the kanji down, or something like that.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Fucking google Jesus Christ

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Sir_Gallonhead
he can't write kanji

Evilember
Evilember

@Sir_Gallonhead
if you aren't writing the kanji down
Dude. Bro. Hol' up. Your shit is wack.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Illusionz
I stopped at 500+. Just now that it got back to 350+.

@Raving_Cute
That's part of the reason. I have to do them while commuting and I can't sit down most of the time because buses are too freaking crowded in my country.

@Sir_Gallonhead
It's easy, but it was at 500+ and I managed to bring it back to 350 after cutting new cards.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@RavySnake
You don't have to do it all at the same time. I have a slower running copy of the same deck on a different profile for that purpose.

askme
askme

@VisualMaster
Why?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@RavySnake
I learned to write about 200 before I stopped bothering. My handwriting is shit even in my native language, so why bother with Japanese? If I get to a good level I may consider writing by hand again.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@kizzmybutt
Nice retention rate you have there.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Raving_Cute
By learning to write I mean putting them down in a chart and repeating until I was satisfied with their shape. It was also only the noobie stuff, 一、週、新、毎、大、犬、猫. I don't think I could recall them by memory if I tried though.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@askme
Kanji takes too long and bogs me down. I'd rather learn a bunch of new words than spend all my time on that.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Need_TLC

にです

massdebater
massdebater

@iluvmen
And if someone gave you a handwritten kanji like this, you'd have trouble looking it up?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@massdebater
The right thing would be to tell them to fuck off if they gave you a piece of shit like that.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Need_TLC
Isn't a particle missing from there?
机上 is not exactly something that they would use in beginner material like this. Wasn't that 机の上? That's a typical example sentence material.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Garbage Can Lid
telling other people how to write their own language
tsk tsk I thought you wanted to learn japanese.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Bidwell
Yeah?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@massdebater
God. Who gave birth to that demon. Is that a single stroke?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@massdebater
達する, right?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@massdebater
It's pretty obviously 達 but most people aren't going to write without ever lifting up their pen at all.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@New_Cliche
You don't have to take shit from someone just because they're a native speaker.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@happy_sad
I'm fresh out of dekinai-chan pics, so please except this instead.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@StonedTime
It is, but after seeing seeing "あたらしい先生" used in the guide despite "新先生" being much more common and seeing both 机上 and 机下 on jisho I figured that it would be the same case.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@BinaryMan
"新先生" being much more common
I have no idea where you're getting this from, but sticking 新 onto 漢語 has a very different nuance from using 和語. It's certainly not more common in this case.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@BinaryMan
That's like saying that "the book is on top of the table" is the same thing as "the book is tabletop".
Not google's fault that you're making arbitrary changes.

And I don't think anyone would write "new teacher" as 新先生.

This is why you should refrain from too early output and production.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@PackManBrainlure
I have a question about formalities with adjectives.

So, as I understand it for i-adjectives, 新しくない is considered casual, whereas 新しくないです is more formal. However, for na-adjectives, きれいじゃない is casual while きれいじゃりません is more formal. However, what does that make きれいじゃないです?Is it in-between both of them on a scale of formal-ness?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@lostmypassword
This is why you should refrain from too early output and production.
Quite on the contrary. These mistakes are mistakes to be made. If you do not make mistakes, you cannot learn from them. This is part of the process that is known as learning.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Stupidasole
Pretty much. Anything that ends in ありません is fairly formal, if I remember correctly Tae Kim said that じゃないです is used more often when you just want to be polite.

Techpill
Techpill

@lostmypassword
Is it 机上 a thing? I mean, I think that it's okay to say 新しい先生 because an i-adjective can modify stuff just by itself. When you want to modify something with a noun though, shouldn't you put a の after it?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Stupidasole
きれいじゃないです is on the same level as 新しくないです. The equivalent to きれいじゃありません is 新しくありません.

The reason why it's not taught in some materials is because you'll often find that putting ないです is considered a little awkward by some speakers. This is because the copula doesn't ordinarily go after verbs (or い adjectives, which are basically a class of state verbs) and です exists only for politeness reasons. Not that it's incorrect (people use it all the time) but it sounds more like spoken speech and if you're really trying to be polite it's good if you can avoid it.

http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q11107807971

There's tons of discussion about this on the Japanese internet if you want to learn more. I wouldn't worry about the exact differences between ないです or ありません if you're just starting out.

massdebater
massdebater

@AwesomeTucker
You don't have to actually try out every incorrect combination to know that 机上にです and 新先生 sound strange as hell. Read some actual Japanese.

@Techpill
机上 is not terribly uncommon (especially in certain set phrases like 机上空論) but his sentence sounds goofy.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@lostmypassword
I figured google analytics would be a fine way of figuring which variation of seemingly synonymous words would be more common.
the book is tabletop
Wouldn't the location particle make it clear I am referring to the location of the book?
Not google's fault that you're making arbitrary changes.
But Google was fine with the first example

Methshot
Methshot

Took a japanese class in my uni because I thought talking practice would be good since I haven't spoken with my nip contacts in ages. They were students who had studied 1 year of japanese and they could barely read spaced out hiragana/furigana sentences. We only advanced 3 pages in the textbook during the 2 hour class. Jesus crist I had heard a lot of stories of uni classes but damn that was pathetic. My workpairs face was priceless when he asked how long I had studied and told him 7months, he only knew 100 kanji.
/blog

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Techpill
It's a real word, but not exactly something that an average person would use instead of 机の上.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

http://wilsonjj.me/jptv
おは!4
おはよん

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@RavySnake
I bet you've never even looked at a single chrome vs. firefox benchmark.
and I'm not talking about retards going "oh ya this one feels faster", but actual benchmarks
Firefox beats chrome in most categories including lower RAM usage and even faster page loading if you enable that stupid page preloading feature (which firefox does have just like chrome, but it's sensible enough to turn it off by default)

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@lostmypassword
the book is tabletop
That wasn't an actual translation, just wanted to show that by changing words around you can easily make it sound awkward.

Methshot
Methshot

@lostmypassword
I figured google analytics would be a fine way of figuring which variation of seemingly synonymous words would be more common.
A more useful way to you as a learner would be just to get familiar with these things before grabbing every word in the dictionary and running it through google translate.

Wouldn't the location particle make it clear I am referring to the location of the book?
The location particle needs a verb that isn't です. It should be ある or おいている, etc.

But Google was fine with the first example
Are you talking about how it got your second one "correct"? It's fucking google translate, man. It messes up often and badly, at least for anything but romance languages.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@hairygrape
@Methnerd
Thanks for clearing that up. It makes sense that they correlate that way.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Methshot
People who take classes in school aren't the same people who grind kanji and vocab for 5 hours each day. Of course you're going to be better in shorter time, but you also spent a lot more time on the language.

Classes suck because getting good grades on your tests makes you feels satisfied that you completed the (awfully low) standards and doesn't encourage you to study words on your own. I bet 90% of the class just does their homework and doesn't touch Japanese until the next class.

5mileys
5mileys

@whereismyname
@Ignoramus
Fuck, thought I was on /fit/ for a second and this was some weird meta joke

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Methshot
That sounds pretty bad. Worse than my classes, which still weren't great. One thing you'll notice is that there's a huge spread of ability in any class, though. There were people who even after 3 years had trouble with basic introductions or simple instructions (one girl turned off all the lights in the classroom after the teacher told her 電気をつけてください) and others who were more or less fluent by the end of the degree.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Methshot
A more useful way to you as a learner would be just to get familiar with these things before grabbing every word in the dictionary and running it through google translate.

I don't live in Japan nor have a friend who is a native speaker. I already realised most textbooks don't provide adequate examples of natural speech. My only choice is internet tools, and google analytics seems like a useful one for figuring out how common a certain phrase in comparison to another is.

The location particle needs a verb that isn't です. It should be ある or おいている, etc.
So there is nothing wrong with 本は机上にある?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Methshot
I sat behind two girls who were taking a 101 class once, one of them was around my age (22) and the other looked older (mid 30s or early 40s). Since I say behind them, I got to listen in on their conversations about their Japanese class a lot.

So we were there to take the midterm exam, waiting for the professor to get there. They were talking about their upcoming Japanese midterm. The younger one said that she wasn't confident about her kana yet for the MIDTERM exam. The older one agreed that kana were still hard.

The younger one said がんばる to the older one, who said がんばれ, wishing each other luck for the midterm exam. They then started to argue about which one was right until the teacher came in.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@BinaryMan
I don't live in Japan nor have a friend who is a native speaker.
You have books and tons of written material. Spoken language is not the only thing in the universe.

So there is nothing wrong with 本は机上にある?
Other than the fact that it's a lot less common than 机の上にあります, no.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@5mileys
walk to the gym
lay down on the bench
pull out my iphone
start doing my reps
7 feet tall black guy next to me puts down his 漢字検定1級 practice book
he starts laughing and loudly says:
"oi look at that white boy he just pressed Again on 今日"
cancel my gym membership, walk home and start crying in the corner

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Methshot
Getting office hours with a native speaker is pretty valuable no matter how shitty the class is IMO. Bring a big list of things that come up while you're reading that you don't understand to his office each week, or even ask before/after class.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Sir_Gallonhead
Not necessarily doubting you/claiming you're wrong, but then what would explain these statistics?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@lostmypassword
Bring a big list of things that come up while you're reading that you don't understand to his office
This is a pretty good idea. I used to mark up my light novels a ton and ask my Japanese friends when I was on study abroad, but unless the person you're talking to is conscious of their own language and how it actually functions (e.g., how switching word order might affect nuance) it can be more frustrating than enlightening. This is one reason why lang-8 is limited in usefulness beyond a beginner level. But if you're talking to a Japanese teacher, you can learn a lot.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@CouchChiller
I have no idea how google runs those analytics, so I can't really explain it to you. If I had to field a guess, it's because 新 is part of a name and it's taking that as the teacher's name. That's what comes up when you run "新先生" in quotes, anyway. 新先生 is not going to be used to describe "a new teacher", 99.9999% of the time.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@BinaryMan
Be careful with google analytics, because Chinese text will get mixed in. 我 is the Chinese version of 私, but using われ in Japanese is anything but common. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the reason why you got more results for 机上 than "机の上"

RavySnake
RavySnake

@lostmypassword
Native speaker
Not all the teachers are native speakers. The one at my college isn't.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@TurtleCat
Doesn't explain the low amount of searches for the alternative in comparison, though the statistics kinda look suspicious now, considering the peak search amount for any of the given months seems to be around 100

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Soft_member
You can confine the results to juat a single country though.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@TreeEater
@Garbage Can Lid
Yeah it's only once a week classes, and with a pace like that ofc they dont get jack shit done. I'm sure the level is higher in unis that have asian study majors since they put in more hours. But still being in basic grammar after 1 year is rather sad, there's no way I could stay interested in a language with so slow progress. I think there was 1 qt who was a bit better than the rest, it's kind of hard to tell by how much since all we did was read simple sentences. I was expecting the teacher to talk in japanese all the time and people would discuss in japanese and shit, but those expectations were waaaay to high. Still gonna stay on the course for ez points and commendation for exchange scholarships tho.
@lostmypassword
Yeah I will use the teacher as much as possible, even though he didn't know some pretty common slang one student asked about. But the teacher is cool and brings up all kinds of useful ways to say things all the time which is really useful.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Raving_Cute
Did you?

Evilember
Evilember

@TalkBomber
I was expecting the teacher to talk in japanese all the time and people would discuss in japanese and shit
You expected that from a beginner's class?
You should have joined an intermediate group.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Would somebody here be willing to offer some personal guidance? I don't need somebody to spoonfeed everything to me like an elementary schooler, but I think I would benefit personally as a learner to have somebody sort of "teach" me.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Crazy_Nice
You expect someone to do this for you for free?

eGremlin
eGremlin

Is this listening to japanese songs while following along with their lyrics going to help me at all? I'm 5 songs into ナイトメアの「the WORLD Ruler」 and I'm not sure anything is sinking in.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Crazy_Nice
why

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@StonedTime
I guess I didn't quite phrase that right. I want more of a learning partner than a teacher. I tried HelloTalk and the language barrier makes it hard.

5mileys
5mileys

@StonedTime
Not him but actually teaching other people something strengthens your own knowledge and understanding of it.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Evilember
That's the highest one that was available for autumn. I can't believe they can ever get to intermediate with this pace.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Crazy_Nice
Are you a pretty boy?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@5mileys
I agree. The reason I asked is because I felt I benefit more from that type of hands on learning.

askme
askme

@Illusionz
The younger one said がんばる to the older one, who said がんばれ, wishing each other luck for the midterm exam. They then started to argue about which one was right until the teacher came in.
So you were able to witness a DJT thread in person? Pretty hilarious. It would have been hard not to at least break into a sensible chuckle.

idontknow
idontknow

@TalkBomber
I'm sure the level is higher in unis that have asian study majors

Don't think this, my uni has an East Asian studies major and it takes them 8 months to finish Genki 1 and then another 8 months to finish Genki 2. Literally 2 years worth of uni classes just to finish Genki.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@whereismyname
wake up at noon

takes2long
takes2long

@eGremlin
All it helps with is the ability to recognize words and sentences and getting your brain used to thinking in japanese. It won't hurt you but don't expect it will help you too much either.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@askme
I somehow held it in. I knew that if I chuckled they may have made a connection.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Crazy_Nice
Honestly speaking, what's your level?

5mileys
5mileys

@5mileys
Or scratches your ego and propagates your own misunderstandings onto someone potentially stupid enough to take advice from non-native speakers who have just started learning the language themselves.

Those who shouldn't be trying to teach are usually the first ones to try and do so.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Why does this happen with every textbook? You're doing just fine until you begin the next major part of the book and you're back to square 1.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@5mileys
Or scratches your ego
Only if you're a little bitch.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@CouchChiller
Isn't that how textbooks supposed to work? Give you a new thing you can't understand and make you understand it?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@CouchChiller
..that's how everything works. you get exposed to something new that you've never seen before so of course you're going to go back to square one.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@whereismyname
So walking down the street, turning the corner, and finding yourself on a tightrope is such a common occurrence that it's expected? I never knew.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@PackManBrainlure
You're a better man than I. A few years ago in a Japanese lecture one of the spergs were going on about bleach or some shit nearby and due to an unfortunate timing when I smirked and said "fucking plebians" under my breath it was quiet enough for everyone around to hear. That lecture hall had a few gems. This one Cantonese guy who would speak seemingly as loud as he could when doing pronounciation and with the absolute heaviest Chinese/Cantonese accent. That class was a complete waste of time and money.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@whereismyname
A good textbook would use the previously learned things to build up to new things using acquired knowledge. Most textbooks, not just language learning (though these seem to be most guilty of this), seem to operate under the retarded idea of "alright, learned that? Good, now let's ignore that shit and move on to a different subject that doesn't involve the material you just learned. Hopefully you don't forget it all while you learn this new stuff, because we'll need it again 20 chapters in". A lot of math textbooks I've come across are also guilty of this bullshit. People that write them should be burned alive.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Dreamworx
when I smirked and said "fucking plebians" under my breath

Holy shit I got second hand cringe so bad from this.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Lunatick
second hand cringe

It's fucking Fremdscham, just because you spend all day learning nip scribblings doesn't mean you can neglect your German.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

What the fuck is おにゅー
Going back o hanahira after ditching it months ago and it's really easy now, but I have no idea what the fuck this useless blue bitch is saying.

I looked it up in Japanese and it said it's supposed to mean "brand new" or the like but the way she uses it that doesn't always fit.

massdebater
massdebater

青木ヶ原
戦場ヶ原
What exactly is that little ケ and what relationship does it have with 原?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Need_TLC
Could you provide a context, a sentence, in which the word is used?

Evilember
Evilember

@BlogWobbles
Actually looking back at the text that confused me last night, brand new makes sense.

Nevermind.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Lord_Tryzalot
Jesus Christ.
So many buzzwords.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

I've finished the first two chapters of よつばと, and the grammar has surprised me with how difficult it is to grasp. I know it's very simple compared to pretty much every other manga, but as my first reading material it can be pretty hard to understand. Combined with having to look up at least one thing per page, my reading speed is at a crawl.

How long does it take before these sentences start becoming more natural? It's a pain to read when the translations come across so awkwardly, but I'll keep going.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@BinaryMan
How long does it take before these sentences start becoming more natural?
Like 15-20 volumes or so, you can do it.
It's a pain to read when the translations come across so awkwardly
There shouldn't be any translation going on.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

What the fuck happened to DJT? I can't even ask questions about a sentence anymore because you faggots get it wrong.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@BinaryMan
Start with graded readers, not Yotsubato.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@kizzmybutt
When was /djt/ ever good at Japanese?

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Sharpcharm
Start with graded readers
Why would you do that

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Fuzzy_Logic
Glad to see it hasn't been just me then.

There shouldn't be any translation going on.
Not sure what you mean here. I've been using a translation to check if I'm understanding it right. Is that a bad thing?

@Sharpcharm
The graded readers I've seen so far have been too easy. よつばと is possible for me, it's just difficult.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@CouchChiller
Sorry for taking so long to reply. I know hiragana/katakana and some basic vocabulary/grammar.

Techpill
Techpill

@SniperGod
Is that a bad thing?
Yes.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@RumChicken
Graded readers introduce grammar incrementally and limit vocab so you can focus more completely on ingraining grammar, which makes it much easier to tackle actual native material afterwards.

@SniperGod
Then jump to a new level of graded reader.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@massdebater
が is the possessive here. I don't know the details of the exact usage patterns but in older Japanese が and の could both be used as possessive and subject markers (e.g., 経験のある人, 我が家). It survives in place names.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Playboyize
It's fine, I'm more advanced so no thanks but good luck finding someone.

Evilember
Evilember

@kizzmybutt
Which sentence are you referring to? I like to answer questions in these threads.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Playboyize
At this level you should just focus on finishing a basic grammar book and grinding some kanji and vocab... You're not a level where you have anything to offer a study partner.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@CouchChiller
Tobira hasn't been like that so far. The progression is pretty good and I actually think that the first chapters were a little more dificult than the following ones. I'm just in chapter 9 though, so I can't say for sure that it will be any different further ahead.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Soft_member
Thanks anyway user.

@BlogWobbles
That's understandable. I just feel like I would have more motivation and enjoy learning a bit more if I had someone else to do it with.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@happy_sad
Noon is actually an early day for me. Usually I wake up at 1-2. NEET life.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@PurpleCharger
you need to go through multiple gaijin coddling books to be able to read a comic that is 90% 5-year olds talking
Are you the N4-in-2-years-kun?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Soft_member
NEET life sounds so nice. I wish I was a NEET.

@AwesomeTucker
http://www.j-cat.org/

Playboyize
Playboyize

@GoogleCat
being the product

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Not sure what you mean here. I've been using a translation to check if I'm understanding it right. Is that a bad thing?

I guess that he meant you should try to process the sentences meaning without needing to translate them to English. As soon as you see something like

よつばちゃんが犯された。

You have to picture what happened. You shouldn`t need to translate it to English to understand.

It took me a long time to do that when I first started learning English, but I`ve been actively putting some effort not to translate Japanese sentences to English. It has been working so far, but it took me over a year to start doing so.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@lostmypassword
So picture the sentence instead of translating it? That sounds reasonable.

Methshot
Methshot

@SniperGod
Using a translation is perfectly fine as long as you keep in mind that it might be wrong. Too many autists around here get triggered every time they see the word "translation".

Emberburn
Emberburn

@lostmypassword
I`ve been actively putting some effort not to translate Japanese sentences to English
Good thing for that is doing google image search for verbs and adjectives instead of looking them up in a dictionary, you brain will have no choice but to think in Japanese.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Emberburn
Not him but this is a good idea, thanks.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Emberburn
Just tried this on Japanese google, works surprisingly well. Thanks.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Bidwell
@Methshot
That's pretty reasonable. I actually still need to translate stuff. If there are some words in a sentence that I don't know or if I'm struggling a bit with the grammar, I have to translate it. I'm just trying not to depend on that too much.

@Emberburn
@Skullbone
That indeed seems like a good idea. I might try doing it.

likme
likme

@Emberburn
for verbs and adjectives
Fuck me, for nouns and adjectives.
Verbs are too abstract to image search.

Techpill
Techpill

I've watched more than 500 anime series and have exlusively listened to Japanese artists for more years than I can count, thuus my listening skills are pretty strong, I have a lot of vocabulary and can understand pretty much anything. Sadly my reading skills are fairly bad in comparison as my Kanji skill aren't the best. I can produce thanks to IME and my spacebar but that's it.

I'm not here to ask advices or anything, I don't have any problems in fact, just wondering, anyone here like me?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@likme
Not particularly, have you tried it?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Techpill
Read Remembering the Kanji. When you get to Part 3, come back to me and confirm that the increase in difficulty is outrageous and we can both go through KanjiDamage.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@lostmypassword
よつばちゃんが犯された
Burn in hell.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Burnblaze
not doing RTK and KD
It's like you don't even want to remember the kanji.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Burnblaze
When does part 3? i.e. how many Kanji in. I can't look it up right now.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Spamalot
Yeah, most don't make much sense.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Lunatick
Part Three: Elements. Starts lesson 20, frame 509, kanji 染 with a keyword of dye. Lists the elements that compose it by name and tells you to come up with a story for it.

cum2soon
cum2soon

I spent the past few days learning hiragana and katakana. I'm more of a visual learner, so I figured I'd use anki to start learning vocabulary and kanji. I'm also probably going to go through Genki 1 + 2 and/or Tae Kim. Does that sound about right? What are some good anki decks to start with?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@iluvmen
Alright, I'm 1k2 Kanji in already (I'm @Techpill
) and didn't notice any increase in difficulty, RTK is still as fun. Sorry to hear it didn't work for you.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@SniperWish
So you're saying, after the second 2 lessons around 60 kanji each and no help from the book, this will get easier?

WebTool
WebTool

@cum2soon
That seems fine. I'd say picking Core 6k is interesting, but you can wait a couple weeks if you are a bit insecure. I'd say that creating your own deck for the vocab in Genki or picking an available one would also be good.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@cum2soon
Tae Kim moves a lot faster than Genki, just so you know.

Kore 2/6k

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Burnblaze
Use this http://hochanh.github.io/rtk/ or if you don't like the layout sub to koohii and get stories here http://kanji.koohii.com/study (it's exactly the same either way).

this will get easier?
It never got harder nor easier, RTK has always been constant difficulty-wise, and doing my own stories has been a lot of fun, too.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Why are people spelling Core with a K now?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

after hours of almost going mad i managed to enable the rikaisama->anki realtime import.

do i understand it right ther e is no possibility to automatically import the audiofile of rikaisama into the anki cards with the options right?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Tangentially related to learning japanese, but it's not like this thread ever stays on topic anyway.

I have here an original Kobo Touch. Before I was able to read english-translated Dance in the Vampire Bund just fine, and even now this thing has no trouble viewing short doujins pulled from exhentai, but whenever I try to load something from the CoR (I have to extract the 7z file and compress it back into cbz), it seems to not be able to read the file at all. I've tried reencoding all the images to get rid of faulty headers, renaming them to remove non-latin characters, using the UNIX shell to copy the files in case Nautilus is at fault, and I haven't even been able to get my Kobo to display the proper cover image let alone open up the file without crashing. If it were the fault of a corrupt hard drive, I'd notice something from my desktop, wouldn't I? Anyone have any idea what's going on?

JunkTop
JunkTop

明 - vidya

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@WebTool
Doing a bit of Core before is better actually because when you know the words already studying will be much smoother. But I think there is a tae kim vocab deck

Supergrass
Supergrass

Anyone ever grinded out 100 kanji a day for a week or two to blast through RTK/KD? If so was your retention good?

I'm doing 20-40 a day and im 600 in but it feels like it's taking forever and I want to hurry up and get to core2/6k since that's going to be another 6 month+ grind.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Anyone managed to get Rikaikun working on Vivaldi?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Harmless_Venom
using meme browsers
using meme browsers that spy on you

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Harmless_Venom
Vivaldi
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Harmless_Venom
using a closed source browser

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Supergrass
You should do both at the same time.

I did:
RTK 25 cards and Core 20-30 + 1 hour grammar a day.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Methnerd
@GoogleCat
@Sir_Gallonhead
That was quick.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@BinaryMan
have you ever tried japanese ebooks on the kobo? How's the dictionary?

Methnerd
Methnerd

What does the '2k/6k' in the kore deck mean?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

How do you look up a kanji with no furigana? I haven't had to do it yet, but it seems like it would be a pain.

takes2long
takes2long

@ZeroReborn
Kanjitomo for images.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@ZeroReborn
Go to jisho and look it up with radicals or google translate and draw it

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@ZeroReborn

It is.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@ZeroReborn
Use your IME pad to draw it (need to follow stroke order somewhat I hope you did RTK).

Supergrass
Supergrass

@ZeroReborn
Search by radical, or just know words which contain the Kanji, write those, and remove whatever parts you don't need.

Or just write one of the readings if you know one and it's not common as shit.

Evilember
Evilember

@Nude_Bikergirl
Don't think stroke order mqtters. Most of these use basic shape detection

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@ZeroReborn
the handwriting recognition on google translate is the best. You could have down syndrome and parkinson's disease and it would still find the kanji you've drawn

Techpill
Techpill

can anyone translate this?
新たな門出になるはずが とんだ邪魔が入ったというわけだ...
there's no way he could start anew, it means he is in big trouble?

i think i'm missing something here

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Techpill
~はずが means "was supposed to/should be, but~". It's not はずがない.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@TurtleCat
so it's probably
"he was supposed to start anew, it means he is in big trouble"

or better yet
"he was supposed to start anew, but this is why he is in a lot of trouble."

Emberburn
Emberburn

@StrangeWizard
Non-existent. Could my problem be the lack of japanese support on the e-reader? Now if only I could get the thing to acknowledge my having installed a japanese font.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Techpill
I've watched almost 400 series and also been listening almost exclusively to Japanese music for 8+ years. My listening skills are shit and I've learned close to nothing from all of that exposure.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Methnerd
What do you think?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Boy_vs_Girl
It's not really "why", it's an explanation of the situation.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Fuzzy_Logic
Further, it's an abbreviation of 箇.
https://ja.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E3%83%B6

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Nude_Bikergirl
he must be starting anew, it means he’s in big trouble.

it's the best i got. i think it's starting to make sense too

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@BlogWobbles
correction - forgot the "but"
he must be starting anew, but it means he’s in big trouble.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@BlogWobbles
You're back to "he must be". That's not what はず is here. If you want just a translation, it would be something like "It was supposed to be a new start, but a problem has arisen".

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@CouchChiller
yeah, i was looking for a good translation so i could get the meaning. thanks

viagrandad
viagrandad

How would you translate this? "Age = No experience with lovers" is too awkward, I think. That equals sign is triggering my autism.

Context is a guy making fun of another guy for being a virgin.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@DeathDog
Stop attention whoring with your shitty handwriting and your shitty 3MB picture.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@viagrandad
history without a lover = age

Meaning he has never had a lover.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Emberburn
Is this an older model? Because I'd expect japanese to work since Rakuten bought Kobo in 2012

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Methnerd
The original Touch, from 2011. Not that the origin of the parent company has anything to do with the language support of the product.

massdebater
massdebater

@StonedTime
I'd assume they want to sell it in japan. And it need to support japanese there, because the japanese don't read english books

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@viagrandad
@StrangeWizard
You could go for "years without a lover=age" too, it's not exactly what it says but it sounds better.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@massdebater
A PS2 sold in the USA can't play japanese games. What a company sells in one place isn't the same as what they sell anywhere else.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

What is this, a power gap?

Emberburn
Emberburn

確かに……、この年になって日常生活の送り方すら覚えてないと言うのはいろいろ問題がありそうだ。

What the fuck does the この年になって mean here? And 送り方

farquit
farquit

@Emberburn
年 is age. ~方 is "way of doing" after a verb.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Emberburn
この年になって is something like Having become this age/having lived this long
日常生活の送り方 is how you go about living your daily life
送り方 on it's own usually means "way of living"

Emberfire
Emberfire

@RumChicken
Not on that: 送り方 must be in context, you can't just use it on it's own. I can also mean "method of sending mail" but that's not relevant here

farquit
farquit

Is there any tool for anki that automatically creates a vocab deck out of a text?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@farquit
Why would you need such a pointless thing?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@iluvmen
So I can read a text without having to look up vocab the very first time I see it which would give me the fake feeling of actually knowing japanese

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

/a/thread/130097440#p130120225
A question for this user if you're still there. What version of the original 英雄伝説 games are you playing? The Windows versions or the PSP versions?

idontknow
idontknow

@Illusionz
Look it up the second time you see it. Chances are if you don't see a word more than once it isn't worth knowing.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@RumChicken
日常生活の送り方 is how you go about living your daily life
送り方 on it's own usually means "way of living"

You can guess this from the context here, but the definitions say absolutely nothing about that.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Playboyize
生活を送る

sure looks like it says that to me

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Ignoramus
送り方 on it's own usually means "way of living"

You aren't doing that well in the reading department. Dictionaries say nothing about it.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Playboyize
It's kind of a set phrase if you want for that kind of thing,
日々の送り方
人生の送り方
生活の送り方
Are all common, way of conducting might be better though.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@CouchChiller
Please don't try to correct people on things you know nothing about. If you need to rely on a dictionary in the first place to talk bout okurikata you obviously don't know enough Japanese to voice your opinion on this.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

おい日本人
日本語ができるからといっていい気になるなよ
お前ら糞のような英語を学校で学び、糞以下の英語しかできねえだろ
俺は月末発売されるエロゲがなければこんなに糞ほど日本語やらねえから
とな恋のFDが糞ほど待ち遠しいわ

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@RumChicken
I never said it was wrong. The person said the dictionary said it, and I was correcting him.

Please don't try to correct people on things you fundamentally misunderstand.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@ZeroReborn
SKIP

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Ignoramus
Well, it does say 生活を送る means way of life, and that's kind of the same. Then again I guess there's no point in telling you to stop being pedantic for the hell of it.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

People here who read PSP visual novels? Are the emulators good (or even working)?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@cum2soon
送り方 on it's own usually means "way of living"
on it's own

I'm not being pedantic. You just failed basic reading. Your snippet doesn't have 送り方 in it.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Stark_Naked
PPSSPP is pretty baller, provided the fact that it struggled with Star Wars Battlefront: Renegade Squadron was because of my Core 2 Duo.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@whereismyname
I'm on a toaster, kinda, though I play VNs fine. Do you think it'd crash my computer or would it go fine if I'd just use it to play VNs? I don't know if the ressources asked would vary depending on what you're loading, I'm no expert on the topic.

I'll try either way.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Ignoramus
K-ON! 放課後ライブ! had no problems for me, so VNs should work. Why, you got a good place to find them?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@TalkBomber
That wasn't me, but whatever.
方 is something you put on the end of a verb to mean "way doing~", but you need to change the the phrase 生活を送る to add it for grammatical reasons.

While it's true that 送り方 doesn't strictly mean "way of living" on it's own, it's okay to think of it that way because it's part of a set of phrases which means that and is used that way most of the time.
Which is why I made this @Emberfire
post to make sure that was clear.

FastChef
FastChef

@Ignoramus
How toaster? PPSSPP isn't too demanding I've heard.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@MPmaster
Why, you got a good place to find them?
Sorry but what do you mean?
And alright, personally I want it because I absolutely want to play the ソラノヲト VN.

Techpill
Techpill

@Evilember
Downgrade Firefox, Anki import doesn't work on versions 40 and later.

@Crazy_Nice
It is possible. Set the audio to download straight to your anki media folder, and put [sound:{{Audio}}] on your card.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@FastChef
Dual core 2g ram with integrated graphic card good enough to play games like Isaac, Terraria, Hearthstone.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Techpill
Don't you just need to redownload Rikaisama? Staying at an old version of a browser is never a good idea for security reasons.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@CodeBuns
you got = (slang) do you have

Techpill
Techpill

@haveahappyday
Yeah but get what, if you mean the file I already got it yes? I mean I know how to use google.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@eGremlin
Might work, give it a try.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Techpill
He's asking you where you found it, presumably because he wants to find stuff himself.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

why does japanese have so many useless words
like what's wrong with 頭の後ろ why does 後頭部 have to exist

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Nude_Bikergirl
This wouldn't have happened if you did RTK.

massdebater
massdebater

@Need_TLC
No you'd be like "that means back of the head in English but I have no clue how to read it in Japanese"

StonedTime
StonedTime

@StrangeWizard
@haveahappyday
Sorry, like I said I've never done it before, but I imagine you can find some on nyaa, sukebei or https://www.tokyotosho.info/.

StonedTime
StonedTime

hi,
i was using "NIJI show" to watch jap tv on my pc but it's no longer working.
Is there any alternative? (no ustream pls)

MPmaster
MPmaster

Do you ever think about learning japanese all wrong and end up having a language all to yourself

Flameblow
Flameblow

@MPmaster
Isn't that what most people here do already?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@PurpleCharger
Last time I tried, redownloading Rikai doesn't work, so unless they've fixed it since then, you have no choice but to downgrade Firefox if you want auto-import. If you're worried about security, just use some other browser like Chrome for general browsing.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Is it true all the people who learned Japanese left and all that remains are a bunch of anons wandering in the dark here?

askme
askme

@AwesomeTucker
someone said something so it must be true
Get an opinion yourself, don't rely on what people will tell you.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Techpill
Downgrade Firefox, Anki import doesn't work on versions 40 and later.

Which part isn't working with version 40+ and when will it? Downgrading and turning off automatic updates is not something I want to do.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Fuzzy_Logic
A real man would do 1 and 2 in one go.

takes2long
takes2long

Anyone else constantly mixing up i and n endings in vocab? For example remembering 計算 as けいさい instead of けいさん and so on. I make that mistake so often for so many different words that I stopped giving a fuck and just press hard instead of again.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Nude_Bikergirl
Which part isn't working with version 40+
Anki auto-import. Everything else works I think.
when will it?
How the fuck am I supposed to know? Ask the devs.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Garbage Can Lid
How the fuck am I supposed to know?

I'm asking if this is a trend or a one time fuck up.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@WebTool
@Need_TLC
Thanks user!

@ZeroReborn
I figured. Genki goes a bit more in depth, right?

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Flameblow
touche

Methnerd
Methnerd

@cum2soon
Speaking of skipping strokes, who else gets pissed off by the axe radical, specifically the first two strokes? Why the fuck is it two strokes? Shit's awkward as all hell and much simpler to do in one. But no, apparently two is the right way to do it.

What a load of shit.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Methnerd
Just because it says two strokes doesn't mean people pick up their pen. Even in calligraphy you won't really see people picking it up.

askme
askme

tfw read all day
still dont read many grammar books
neglecting to read DOJG even though I know that I need to

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

I'm going through KanjiDamage and it feels much easier than RTK. Is this because I had the experience of going through some of RTK, or because I haven't got that far into KD? Either way, 100 new cards a day, pushing it?

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Fried_Sushi
If you've done some RTK then you know a lot of the radicals. That's a big plus.

takes2long
takes2long

@lostmypassword
They're the same amount of depth, but doing Genki also (typically) means doing the exercises with it. I found the grammar explanations by Genki slightly easier to understand, but they're equal in that department. Just give either a try, they're not a big commitment.

MPmaster
MPmaster

How long would it take to obtain basic Japanese literacy?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Skullbone
implying a jap would start that sentence with 私は

Inmate
Inmate

@Skullbone
書いたが分かった

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@takes2long
Okay, thanks for the advice user

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@MPmaster
About three fiddy.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@MPmaster
3 months of learning kanji + another 3 months learning basic grammar + 10 years of reading/listening, I'd say about 10 years and 6 months.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@SomethingNew
what the hell is that

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Poker_Star
習字

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@MPmaster
It depends, are you smarter than Komeiji?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

For the JapanesePod101 in the Cornucopia... does anyone have the Japanese dialogue audio separated from the lessons?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Poker_Star
行書

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@SomethingNew
It's better than the crap you were churning out earlier, but it's still a bit shit.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Fuzzy_Logic
Why are you putting words into his mouth? It's just a list of what he read, he didn't say a word about which are good or not.
The numbers are difficulty of grammar and vocab.

askme
askme

@Fuzzy_Logic
idol mahou shoujo chiruchiru michiru
3/5
what? I'm playing that right now, it doesn't seem harder than most materials. Spice and wolf and Nisio's stuff were tougher, but none of them were exactly meant to be difficult.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Fried_Sushi
jukugo for 自
not one sign of 自殺
one job desu

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Nude_Bikergirl
muh suicide is selfish and wrong
t. normies

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Fuzzy_Logic
I've read in Japanese since I started studying in May of 2014
already read all that kamige
Im going to kill myself

iluvmen
iluvmen

@hairygrape
He mouse hovered through them all with a text hooker.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@hairygrape
He doesn't know Kanji and can't read, he read them with a text hooker, his opinion is shit.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Can anybody help me understand/translate this?

言い返してたら何も言われなくなったけどね

Context: Two characters are coworkers at an office, one of them is a rookie and the other a mild senior. The senior is saying to the junior how the other people in the office always used to give her an earful when she was a junior.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@hairygrape
There's a difference between actually reading them, and having a vague idea of what you're reading

I'm shit and even I could get through a VN just using a hooker and looking up every single word and thinking "Oh, that means something like (such and such)"

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Dreamworx
Sorry, it's supposed to be

言い返してたらなんも言われなくなったけどね

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Fuzzy_Logic
Yeah no he never did that

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

WHY the FUCK does typing てぐし give me 手串 but no 手櫛 or even 手ぐし 
Is this because microsoft IME?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

How do you say "better" in Japanese? As you would in this example sentence:

That is good, but this is better.
Sore wa ii, demo kore wa ???.

Google translate says "better" is "yoidesu", but when I look up yoi, it's apparently just a version of ii. So that can't be right, can it?

I appreciate any help.

whereismyname
whereismyname

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFpN84WGqQU

This is the best advice I've ever seen!

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Dreamworx
After I talked back to them, they stopped saying things to me.

takes2long
takes2long

@Dreamworx
What are you having trouble with? 言い返してたら is 言い返していたら, or "when/if I was in the state of telling them off". The second part is the adverbial form of 言われない, which modifies なった. It means "stop being told".

@Raving_Cute
I don't think straight spoonfeeding is as helpful as working out what their actual confusion is.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@CodeBuns
Your average jap doesn't know them all either, and it's perfectly normal to forget some from time to time, so please stop shitting on him for no reason.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@StrangeWizard
Try writing that in Japanese first, then maybe I'll help you

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@PurpleCharger
手櫛 was the default convert when I pressed space in google ime.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@StrangeWizard
There is no comparative or superlative conjugation in Japanese. You can say ~の方がいい or ~より~, etc. Google can't translate "better" properly because you haven't given it context, and the proper translation will vary.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@PurpleCharger
Microsoft IME was pretty bad when I stopped using it like a decade ago. Supposedly it's possible to add words, if you insist on using it over google IME for whatever reason.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@TreeEater
This guy is right. Japanese people use hookers when playing VNs because they don't really know Kanji very well

That's why Kanji is a waste of time learning

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Raving_Cute
Thanks

@takes2long
I "knew" what was being said but I couldn't make sense of it.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@TreeEater
He knows something like 100 Kanji, he said so himself. I don't know him personally, I'm just saying he's probably not a good reference.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@takes2long
While that's a fair point, things usually click for me when I read the translation and usually understand what each part of the sentence is supposed to mean.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Emberfire
It's already in Japanese, mate. Romaji is a perfectly valid way of writing things, even if not a commonly used one.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Does anyone have the Japanese audio portions separated from the main discussion portion of the JapanesePod101 podcasts?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Methnerd
I "knew" what was being said but I couldn't make sense of it.
Those things seem to be in direct conflict to me, but whatever.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Deadlyinx
Japanese people use hookers when playing VNs because they don't really know Kanji very well
Sure thing.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@TreeEater
This

takes2long
takes2long

@StrangeWizard
増し can be used like that.

massdebater
massdebater

@Gigastrength
I'm fine with using google search and youtube but no way I'm installing the Google botnet right in my PC.
Maybe when I build a new computer completely dedicated to VNs and games.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Fried_Sushi
100 new cards a day
how do you guys do this
I only introduce like 10 new kanji a day

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@BunnyJinx
y e s i a g r e e p e r f e c t l y v a l i d w a y o f w r i t i n g t h i n g s a d d i n g s p a c e s u n n e c e s s a r i l y

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Boy_vs_Girl
Let me introduce you to my friend sarcasm

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@TreeEater
There is a big difference between not knowing some random ancient Shinto ceremony word that's used in a chuunige to sound cool, and not knowing 50% of the words in a sentence.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Fried_Sushi
Like, I knew what the individual words and particle meant, but I couldn't understand what the whole thing was saying.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@New_Cliche
Hello, sarcasm.
For my defense some people in the last few threads actually advanced absurd opinions like those so you never know.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Evil_kitten
What kind of failed normie thought that dudes age was relevant? Do they honestly think they're going to turn their life around in their 20s?

Person who made that image is going to be just as much of a VN reading weeb at 30+ as they are right now

Remember, you're here forever

eGremlin
eGremlin

@VisualMaster
implying@Deadlyinx

That's why Kanji is a waste of time learning

Lunatick
Lunatick

@TreeEater
Alright, I'll admit that there are some pretty stupid people here.

Inmate
Inmate

@VisualMaster
You're just being a dick now. They even got close to abolishing kanji and kana in favour of romaji, but then the traditionalist fucked them over.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Illusionz
@takes2long

Thanks for the help. Appreciate it.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Snarelure
I don't necessarily agree with the guy's method and what's he's saying but I agree with you, there's no reason to bully him. One lives his life the way he wants to.

Fairly hard thing to explain this to 20y old egoshits over Sheeky Forums though.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Snarelure
I gathered all that useful information for this thread from a professional VN reader that has over 500 titles to his name. Show some thanks.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@TreeEater
The absurd opinion was that dude saying that because Japanese people forget obscure Kanji, that we should give the VN text-hooker some slack for not knowing all the basic Kanji

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Evil_kitten
Kamige list
Tenshin Ranman / Dracu riot
I fucking love yuzusoft because I'm a sucker for moege, and love those games, but... seriously?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Inmate
abolishing kanji and kana in favour of romaji
There aren't enough sounds in Japanese for that being possible, reading novels would be a clusterfuck.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@New_Cliche
The age was to show you can still do it, even if you aren't young anymore. It's never too late to learn a language. Have some respect.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@kizzmybutt
http://www.age.ne.jp/x/nrs/

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

I've never actually played/read any VNs

Do they ALL have sex scenes in them? Are there any which are just action / story?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@kizzmybutt
On a serious note now, though, but, the nips never realized this is a very big problem for them and tried to introduce more phonemes?

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Harmless_Venom
Yes, there are plenty without sex. Anything with the tag "eroge" has sex scenes. There is also the sex-free versions of eroges. Don't remember what they are called, though.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Harmless_Venom
Unless otherwise noted, yes. Also that '/read' serves no purpose in your post.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@DeathDog
Don't remember what they are called, though.
Kusoge

takes2long
takes2long

@Gigastrength
You somehow misunderstood my post I think, I didn't say anything negative about the guy from the screenshot, I'm myself closer to 30 than 20 and don't plan on changing my hobbies.

If you meant that showing his age was not meant to make fun of him then fair enough, but from the look of it those screenshots don't look too friendly and I doubt they were made with the best intents. Perhaps I'm wrong, whatever.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Harmless_Venom
Pretty much all console versions are all-ages. Lots of them are on PS3/4/vita. Of course you can't text took there.

A large amount of the PC versions have sex, but not all. You can check on vndb, there is a "no sexual content" tag.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Harmless_Venom
Do they ALL have sex scenes in them?
No, there are all-ages VNs too. And unless you're reading nukige, sex scenes consist of less than 5% of the total content (usually one or two scenes per route).

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@happy_sad
You don't just "add" or "remove" phonemes to a language

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@TechHater
That was where they were heading after the war.
@kizzmybutt
Bollocks, it'd work just like it works now. You don't need some arbitrary number of sounds for romaji to function. In fact the mere idea of it is ridiculous.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@happy_sad
I wondered the same thing, I have no idea.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@CouchChiller
Of course you do. It isn't easy but it has always been done it, mainly through loan words at first.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@CodeBuns
The numbers of homophones make it unreadable. Try to study for more than a month before you defend such bullshit.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@happy_sad
Yeah, that would totally work.
Even trying to lower the number of kanji used in writing faced massive oppositions to the point where everyone stopped giving a fuck and just kept using whatever kanji they liked. Which is why every few years hundreds of new kanji are added to the jouyou/extended jouyou/jinmeiyou/etc lists that the average adult is expected to know.

farquit
farquit

@happy_sad
Sure, you can add them but the words are already invented.

5mileys
5mileys

@takes2long
No, you're not wrong

It was purely an attack on his character.

There's plenty of shitty content there about his methods and opinions to attack.

There's no point going after the "33 year old man still plays weeb shit" like some stupid high school kid. Especially when you consider where we are right now.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@SniperWish
The numbers of homophones make it unreadable.
In what manner? You're talking absolute nonsense, mate.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@5mileys
Especially when you consider where we are right now.
I shudder to think that we might have people older than 30 here still visiting Sheeky Forums. Like seriously, nigga.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@SniperWish
People speak perfectly fine, and I don't know if you're aware of this, but you can't see any Kanji coming out of peoples mouths

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@takes2long
That's because everything I boxed can be taken as either positive or negative depending on the viewer.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@happy_sad
It's not a problem at all.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@AwesomeTucker




噛み
加味

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@farquit
So?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Stark_Naked
Plenty of herbivore men. And because they're older than 30 doesn't mean they're ugly virgins, either. There's nothing wrong with this, life is meaningless.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Evil_kitten
Dialogue is always far simpler than literature, and the listener can ask to clear up confusion.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@5mileys
There's plenty of shitty content there about his methods and opinions to attack.
Not really, if you think that way you don't agree with his opinions. I know what I agree and disagree with, do you?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Supergrass
Yea, this is why Japanese people can't communicate to each other orally.

Oh wait...

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@BinaryMan
It is if you try to simplify your writing system.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Supergrass
Context.

Techpill
Techpill

@AwesomeTucker
Spoken Japanese has tones. Most of those words actually sound differently when spoken, but they are all the same on paper.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Supergrass
I'm too retarded to read properly.
Sounds like a problem on your end mate.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Sharpcharm
Absolutely. I hate it when I'm listening to Japanese people talk, and every single other line is a question about their meaning because there's no Kanji to clear up the confusion

This must be why they're only in the top 10 economies, rather than the top 2

This is why the

Lunatick
Lunatick

@AwesomeTucker


待つ

立つ
経つ
建つ
断つ

着る
切る

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@AwesomeTucker
@Illusionz
@RavySnake
Go and read this site then. Right side only.
http://www.age.ne.jp/x/nrs/

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@AwesomeTucker
Not really. Two Japanese can stand together and converse with each other for a little while and then all of a sudden find out they're talking about two entirely different things, and with a great surprise find this out, and they promptly break out their pencils and pieces of paper, and they draw the Kanji for the proper words they're using. "Oh. Oh, I understand; that's very good. Yeah, very good, yeah. I so sorry. Yeah." Whee! That's a rough one.

massdebater
massdebater

@Stupidasole
It's not, and you'd only effectively be giving kana a new look by replacing it with romaji. The function itself wouldn't have to change, apart from introducing spaces, just like you would with a kana only text.

Methshot
Methshot

@Harmless_Venom
He can't read the left side at all, so he's gonna say the right side is more readable.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Techpill
tones

Have you been learning Mandarin by accident m8?

pitch

Not even remotely comparable

Inmate
Inmate

@massdebater
When did I ever said anything about using romanji or kanas instead? If anything, the better way would be to introduce something like the tone signals from pin-yin to match the vocal tones that there already is in regular speak, like @Techpill
said.

likme
likme

@Harmless_Venom
It's perfectly readable. You'd start reading it just as fast as you read the old stuff after a moment of getting used to it.

Skullbone
Skullbone

This VN is really dumb as shit, I couldn't imagine something more stereotypical than this. Only selling point is that I can somehow understand most of it

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Evil_kitten
Hahaha, brilliantly put

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Inmate
Tones aren't really necessary, and they're already absent from written word.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Skullbone
Don't expect Shakespearean writing from a beginner's moege.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Techpill
I don't have any reason to do it for now, though. Also by my logic, considering life is "meaningless", living and dying balance themselves out, there's nothing worth losing by trying.
/tumblr2deep4ublog

girlDog
girlDog

tones

stop this meme immediately

w8t4u
w8t4u

Just purchased this. Mainly for encouragement.
Only know about 1k words, I just dictionary the rest. Can make out what they are saying.
should I continue? I was told to open this book at at least 2k words.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@happy_sad
How beginner is it? In how much time of study would you expect someone to read it

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@w8t4u
All Japanese people have dictionaries (or text hookers) next to them when they read, so you should be fine

likme
likme

@w8t4u
I read the title as "NEP EGG" and assumed it was a Hyperdimension Neptunia egg-laying fetish doujinshi.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@w8t4u
Just do whatever motivates you and makes you happy, there are no set rules when it comes to learn a language. Motivation being the key word.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@w8t4u
Do you know all words in your mother tongue? Don't feel bad for using dictionaries, user.

girlDog
girlDog

@likme
kek

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@TalkBomber
there are no set rules when it comes to learn a language.

Where do you think we are?

If you aren't using Anki all day every day, you're not even learning Japanese

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

be a tiny nation of a couple of million nobodies oppressed by gigantic barbaric empire for hundreds of years
still manage to maintain natural identity and language
merry cunts drop two bombs
nips not only start rapidly americanising their culture but even consider trashing their entire writing tradition

Jesus Christ how horrifying.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@CodeBuns
Surely he knows enough to understand a comic for early teenagers

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Nude_Bikergirl
'tis a sad day when you have more people doing epic ironic shitposting in /djt/ than legitimately discussing the language

RumChicken
RumChicken

@w8t4u
Go for it, Komeiji and Clephas would approve.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Nude_Bikergirl
Text Hookers
As in this?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Firespawn
Are you implying you know every single word in your native language?

WebTool
WebTool

The fuck is a text hooker? Some broad that fucka you while reciting Shakespeare?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@PackManBrainlure
nips not only start rapidly americanising their culture but even consider trashing their entire writing tradition
It makes sense when it's a completely retarded writing tradition.
I would understand if the role were reversed, as in a romaji country being forced to use stupid chinese scribbles for their writing system.

5mileys
5mileys

I don't feel bad using a dictionary at all.
And I am having fun trying to read it.
but how effective is this in learning the language?
before this I was using memrise.

Techpill
Techpill

This fucking place is basically /r/learnjapanese right now.

Evilember
Evilember

@AwesomeTucker
It makes sense when it's a completely retarded writing tradition.
I don't think learning Japanese is harder than other languages if you're native. Japanese is clunky for us as westerners, that's all.

stupid chinese scribbles
Kanji aren't hard to be honest, and once you reach adult level of reading Kanji are actually really handy since they contain high density of information compared to romaji language.

WebTool
WebTool

There is no shame in using a texthooker even if you know Japanese. Why use pride as an excuse for wasting time.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Techpill
Never give up hope. Maybe they will get bored and leave.

Spamalot
Spamalot

I'm reading a vn and the protag keeps using つつ at the end of a phrase, what does this mean

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@WebTool
Don't worry they won't ever learn Japanese. Frustration will make them drop the language.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

I want the Anki penis talks back. Please.

farquit
farquit

@Garbage Can Lid
I'm pretty sure that's illegal

hairygrape
hairygrape

@AwesomeTucker
it's the one I was raised up with therefore it's the only one that is right

I could go on about how shit English is for not including the accented characters found in western slavic languages but I'm nowhere near as retarded as you.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@hairygrape
romaji means English
nigger

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Flameblow
missing the point this hard

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Spamalot
A dictionary might be what you are looking for.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Techpill
Why?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Flameblow
You're so fucking dense I actually feel bad for replying. Sort yourself out mate.

Flameblow
Flameblow

is this true?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Flameblow
I sort of figured we were arguing with a retard.

takes2long
takes2long

@Flameblow
Yes.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@hairygrape
We already have accented characters.
You know. è ò à ù

Booteefool
Booteefool

@RavySnake
If you need to look up words frequently in your native language you are a fucking retard.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@takes2long
ok, thanks. i have always wanted to continue from where i left off after reading the partial patch.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Booteefool
Please, call me a Scholar.

TechHater
TechHater

@likme
She looks so cute when she's being beaten with a stick.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Booteefool
I'm sure you finished every single university course and are well versed in various physics, law, math, biology, chemistry and other specialized vocabulary in your native language.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Lord_Tryzalot
frequently

cum2soon
cum2soon

@SniperWish
And the guy you're replying to is implying that how often you have to look up words relies heavily on what you are reading about and how well you know it.

Techpill
Techpill

@Sharpcharm
What about ě, ē, ė, ę, ů, ų, õ, š, ş, ž, ź, ç, č, ć, ñ, etc? Step your game up.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Evilember
I don't think learning Japanese is harder than other languages if you're native. Japanese is clunky for us as westerners, that's all.
Western kids don't spend years memorising some arbitrary characters. The idea of learning how to spell things is also virtually unheard of in some places that use the roman alphabet in a clean way, as opposed to the mess that English has.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@TalkBomber
You clearly have no underatanding of neither how the Japanese language works nor of any other European language that isn't English. Go ahead and try learning Finnish or somerhing you muppet.

WebTool
WebTool

@Garbage Can Lid
Is this real or a joke?

TechHater
TechHater

@kizzmybutt
I know it's okay. I'm just saying it wasn't in the dictionary.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

おにいちゃん げんきだして きっとできるよ

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Supergrass
Just download Firefox stable or beta. Rikaisama works fine.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Fuck, people. It is what it is. The language was made that way. Put up with it or give up on learning it. Whining like a bitch in an anonymous imageboard isn't gonna make the language change.

likme
likme

@Skullbone
no

Playboyize
Playboyize

Pure autism in this thread recently. Go bak to reddit please.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@WebTool
Most likely a joke, but a lot of people definitely reposted them as real.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@likme
German
dying language

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@hairygrape
That guy didn't actually read those things. He's a retard that doesn't know kanji, and texthooks everything for a nice 25% understanding of what's going on. So he "thinks" he read Dies Irae and Ruitomo + 20 other VNs after one year of study.

He's basically the product of DJT.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@SniperGod
a lot of people definitely reposted them as real
I doubt it. Unless you're one of them.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@SomethingNew
Finally someone with a brain.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@likme
french
german
user I wasn't suggesting you take the babby route by picking a romance language.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@BlogWobbles
You have about 30 years until Arabic becomes the national language, give or take.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@likme
dying European languages like French or German
What sets Japanese apart from either of those two? As far as Asian languages, Japanese has to be one of the most Anglicized.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Skullbone
Finnish is actually a great example of a perfectly consistent and intuitive way of using the roman alphabet, which the kids will internalise in no time at all. Good of you to bring it up.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@happy_sad
Because it's not a problem.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@SniperGod
I hope so.

The first one is better.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

So which language has the shittier pronunciation rules?

English a.k.a. "we use 45 sounds but only 26 letters, and instead make up the rest of the sounds with double letters in an arbitrary, inconsistent and often varying between words way"
Or French, a.k.a. "the last 1-3 letters of every word is randomly silent for no fucking reason"

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@BlogWobbles
English is definitely the worst out of those 2

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Booteefool
You can't imagine some kawaii desu desu tumblr girls falling for this?

Lunatick
Lunatick

@BlogWobbles
English. French at least is consistent.

girlDog
girlDog

@BlogWobbles
http://pauillac.inria.fr/~xleroy/stuff/english-pronunciation.html

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@SomethingNew
It wasn't made that way. The hegemonistic chinamen forced their stupid system down their throats.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@BlogWobbles
English.
I cooked
I walked
I talked
I jumped
I stretched
I flew
I ate
hurr durr

w8t4u
w8t4u

I am having issues with understand te form おる and its forms.
Wheres a good place to read about it?
where is it under in DOJG?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Lunatick
English has a reasonable degree of consistency outside of some random recent loanwords and stuff, though.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Fellow comrades, I don't seem to anki properly.. I got Tae Kim's 2k/6k and it starts with basic shit (e.g. from 20 items I already know 15 or so and learn 5 new) and it works just fine. However, I wanted to also work with that "Core 2k/6k/10k further optimized PIC/SOUND". I checked and it contains all those basic initial Joyo kanji but it always starts with advanced shit, like compound verbs and stuff. How do I get it to show me basic stuff first?

takes2long
takes2long

@w8t4u
Isn't it just an older version of ている?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Bidwell
"consistency" doesn't mean much when it relies on a system with about as many rules as there are Kanji.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@w8t4u
It's the humble (sometimes dialect) form of iru it works exactly the same, you'll hear it with -masu a lot of the time

TechHater
TechHater

@viagrandad
learn 5 new
Too slow. Do at least 20 new.

Core 2k/6k/10k further optimized PIC/SOUND
It's ordered by kanji difficulty (KO order). Not word difficulty. The only possible way to change it is to sort it by the original Core index (frequency). It should be one of the fields.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@w8t4u
わりばしを しりで おる

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Playboyize
@takes2long
I thought it meant hold it for later. the closest thinng to future tense

askme
askme

@StrangeWizard
That's ておく
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/teform

Bidwell
Bidwell

@viagrandad
Aren't those basically the same deck in a different order? Why would you do both?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@StrangeWizard
You're thinking of ておく

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@viagrandad
Tae Kim's 2k/6k
What?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

what are you reading right now? babbys still reading manga and LNs need not apply

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Carnalpleasure
Core 2k/6k with the TK words shown first. I'm guessing.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@TurtleCat
Are you implying VNs are harder

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@iluvmen
@askme
its not the just a conjugation?
its an old timey wait iru?

Booteefool
Booteefool

@BinaryMan
今日こそ自殺しておいてね

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@PackManBrainlure
@AwesomeTucker
@TalkBomber
fat white kids on /djt/ who are too lazy to learn kanji and have 500 words in Anki trying to criticize kanji
English script is shit, and Japanese would've been ruined if it was actually romanized. The reason nobody knows what "Canada" means is English characters don't have meaning and the natives are all gone. If 掬星台 were put into romaji you would still know how to say it, and where it is (if you've ever gone), but the meaning of "stand where you scoop the stars" (for context it's one of the best sightseeing locations in Japan) would be COMPLETELY gone from the name. Lost.

Kanji adds a whole new level to reading in general because it conveys both meaning and pronunciation. This is not a reading experience you can have in English. It's like going from 2D to 3D (as long as you're not a generic /djt/ retard who skips kanji and then overly relies on a texthooker). Writers will often pun kanji or put extra layers into the text by using suggestive kanji or alternative "spellings" that convey different meanings.

girlDog
girlDog

@TurtleCat
"consistency" doesn't mean much
The same set of characters always produce the same sounds. What more could you ask for? It's even more consistent than kana. As for the supposed rules, I think you're just stuck in your silly English mindset that's only capable of looking at the alphabet one way.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@TurtleCat
@whereismyname
Aren't LNs harder than VNs, considering in VNs it's easier to rely on the context thanks to CGs and stuff and especially the voice acting.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@TurtleCat
Good timing
Day: 5/126
Books: 0/17
Reading: Battle Royale by Koushun Takami - page: 432/666 (+30)

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Spazyfool
Neither are a conjugation, but an auxiliary verb attached to the -te form.

ておる is て居る, where いる and おる are two readings of the same kanji.

ておく is て置く

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@TurtleCat
Flyable Heart

I think I am finally getting close to the end of the first route. Only 2 choices left.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@StonedTime
Aren't LNs harder than VNs
Not in my experience, no. Though like everything IT DEPENDS.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@StonedTime
LNs are definitely harder, since images are replaced with even more narrative sentences describing the scene, and even in dialogues you can't rely on some help from listening to the VAs speaking the line, which leads to even more kanji lookups.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Bidwell
what is best then? Keep up only with Tae Kim or make my own deck? What most ``anki pros`` actually do?

@TechHater
OK

Supergrass
Supergrass

I Love you.
月が綺麗ですね。

Emberburn
Emberburn

@ZeroReborn
I dont really know, but it looks like it

Evilember
Evilember

@Supergrass
ただし じごに かぎる

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Harmless_Venom
The reason nobody knows what "Canada" means is English characters don't have meaning and the natives are all gone.
What?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@GoogleCat
Core2k/6k are almost all words that you should learn, so if you have time just do more cards in that deck. Making your own deck as a beginner is waste of time because you will end up making a bunch of cards that are already in 2k/6k.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@DeathDog
Maybe he's joking about how Canada is overrun by mudslimes.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

there are people in here that think LNs are harder than VNs
inb4 ginga eiyuu densetsu

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Gigastrength
or you could check if they are already in the 6k before adding
Even Hanahira has stuff Kore doesn't have.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Harmless_Venom
it conveys both meaning
Except in the countless cases where the characters don't really have any strong connection with the meaning at all.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@DeathDog
I forgot the "because". The sentence is: "the reason nobody knows what 'Canada' means is English characters don't have meaning and the natives are all gone."

"Canada" is the name in latin script, but it originally had meaning.
@ZeroReborn
Kill yourself to /pol/

takes2long
takes2long

Anyone else noticed that all the shitposters disappear every time the thread hits 500 replies and falls off the front page of Sheeky Forums?
We can finally have normal discussion until the thread finally dies.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Crazy_Nice
I learned the alphabet from Remembering The Latin.
Canada means a specific kind of preserved female meat. Its Can(ned) Ada.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

いみがわからないよ

Booteefool
Booteefool

俺は犬だってタイプするのは分からない

takes2long
takes2long

@Crazy_Nice
Oh
The meaning of "Canada" Why the fuck would you care about that?
What does Italia mean?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Booteefool
俺は犬だからタイプの仕方が分からない
俺は犬だってタイプの仕方が分からないと思う
Which?

Lunatick
Lunatick

@PackManBrainlure
using a walkthrough
Are you genuinely that retarded that you can't figure out how to clear even a VN like Flyable Heart, or are you just incredibly lazy?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

24歳、学生です。

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@StrangeWizard
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
@takes2long
That's the point. You don't know, because latin script is devoid of soul and meaning.
Why the fuck would you care about that?
It's not that you "want" to know, but there's no reason that the meaning behind the name of a major area should be unknown to us.

Methshot
Methshot

@Garbage Can Lid
おねえさま しゅみはなんですか

TechHater
TechHater

@Evil_kitten
There is a difference between ironic shitposting and puns.

likme
likme

@Garbage Can Lid
学生?あっ・・・フーン(察し)

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Blog update:
I'm starting to 'get' Japanese now after hurling myself into Anki and reading twitter posts and trying to translate doujins while fapping to them for over six months.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Lunatick
The choices are so thin that why bother playing it properly. If it had relationship points, complex flags, stats, scheduling, and stuff like an actual dating sim, it might actually be fun playing properly.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Lunatick
I don't play a VN unless I have a walkthrough. I don't enjoy the trial-and-error gameplay.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@PurpleCharger
Fate/stay night was fun to play blind (besides looking up the 2 big route flags), because you got a bad end very quickly.
As for Clannad, I didn't even try. Getting all the stars is way too much of a pain EVEN with a guide.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Flameblow
Why bother even reading it at all, you lazy piece of shit.
@PurpleCharger
And you're evidently a complete and utter moron who doesn't actually understand what the choices mean at all, if you can't work out how to get to the routes in Flyable Heart or the like without a walkthrough.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Here I go!

happy_sad
happy_sad

I personally like to play VNs blind and then after I finish the game reread it from start to finish with my new found knowledge.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@PackManBrainlure
Not him, but you can also use a walkthrough just so you know the most efficient spots to save. That's why I use them. Stop being a pedantic autist.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@PackManBrainlure
Why bother even reading it at all, you lazy piece of shit.
To get better at Japanese. Why else would I be reading a shitty moege like Flyable Heart?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@happy_sad
I personally like to play VNs blind
after I finish the game
reread it from start to finish

We have a winner! He used every "do" verb for VNs correctly for the action! CONGRATULATIONS! You know English!

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