Which one should I watch first FMA or FMA brotherhood?

massdebater
massdebater

Which one should I watch first FMA or FMA brotherhood?

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SniperGod
SniperGod

Whichever one you want.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@massdebater
Neither, don't waste your time watching that dogshit

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

The general concensus is that 2003 version is better at the start because brotherhood rushes and you should switch at some point. If you can't be bothered, just watch brotherhood.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@kizzmybutt
Thanks user

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@SniperWish
Elaborate

Lunatick
Lunatick

@kizzmybutt
The fuck? Even with brotherhood in the title, is less about the brothers, and more about the chinks.

If you like Al and Edward, watch 03, if you just want to see side characters hugging all the screen time and a disney happy ending, watch Brotherhood.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Spazyfool
shitty shonen for kids, with QUALITY on every step

iluvmen
iluvmen

@massdebater
FMA 2003 has the better first 20 or so episodes but goes full retard after that.
Brotherhood rushes the beginning of the story a bit, but stays more consistent after that and follows the manga until the end.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@massdebater
@massdebater
Just read the fucking manga.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@iluvmen
@SniperGod
But the manga is shit.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@SniperGod
@iluvmen
2015
manga

being so much of a fat weeaboo

Snarelure
Snarelure

inb4 contrarians who deny Brotherhood's superiority

Nojokur
Nojokur

@massdebater
watch 2003 version
wait a few weeks
watch brotherhood

@Sharpcharm
It´s literally the best shounen out there.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@kizzmybutt
Brotherhood only feels rushed because 2003 is riddled with shitty fucking filler padding it out at the start. I cannot take someone's opinion seriously if they think it was even remotely acceptable, letalone good.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

mfw 2003 ending and movie

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Sharpcharm
Nice elaboration faggot

WebTool
WebTool

03 is a masterpiece with the movie. Brotherhood is a trainwreck and trivializes a lot of the better characters.

Choose wisely.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

FMA had the better ending.

Brotherhood was so fucking cliche

Playboyize
Playboyize

@massdebater
Definitely Brotherhood. It flows a lot better then the 2003 series and stays true to the original source material.

Ignore the edgy 2003 faggots. They only like the first series because of nostalgia and for doing "two" significant deaths better then in Brotherhood, even though their deaths weren't entirely true to the source material to begin with.

Brotherhood will feel more complete then the 2003 series, which will just leave you left hanging and pissed off.

viagrandad
viagrandad

03

Evilember
Evilember

Well, I think you certainly should watch the original series up to the point where storylines diverge, as Brotherhood skims over important characterization and buildup (probably assuming people have already seen/read it).

Beyond that, I don't really know. I think the ending for the 2003 series is "meh", but on the other hand, Brotherhood ending is shonen power level bullshit, not to an insulting degree I think, but distasteful regardless. Before the ending they're both fine, though.

Since I think you definitely should watch the beginning of 2003 series first, it's probably most convenient to finish it.

Lunatick
Lunatick

preferring brotherhood over 2003

massdebater
massdebater

@lostmypassword
Hey girlfriend

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Playboyize
Thank you very much user

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Evilember
Thanks user

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

neo Sheeky Forums preferring shitty '03 over beautiful Brotherhood

What the fuck

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I personally merely watched Brotherhood and I enjoyed it. Kinda regret the fact that I have never even considered giving 2003 FMA a chance.

Should I perhaps consider watching it now?
Is it honestly worth it?

girlDog
girlDog

@kizzmybutt
03 was better.

@BlogWobbles
If you go in with a bunch of preconceptions about how FMA should play out you will be disappointed. In a lot of ways, it interprets the themes in a way completely opposite to Brotherhood. I imagine Arakawa would get in a fistfight with whoever directed 03 because 03 has a much darker outlook.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@massdebater
Read the manga instead.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@kizzmybutt
Preferring brotherhood

Le fuck le off le back le to le leddit le lel

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

One reason to avoid the 2003 show:

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Nude_Bikergirl
ebin maymay

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@BlogWobbles
03 is good but has a far more serious tone, and a lot less shounen. The homunculus are also a lot better characterised and have better backstories, and better/different characteristic of certain characters. However it has its cons, like hoennhiem barely making an appearance and the very wtf ending. Also the entire ling arc and characters are omitted, but where that's a pro or con depends on whether you liked it or hated it.

takes2long
takes2long

@lostmypassword
THIS!!!
God that character was pure cancer.

Playboyize
Playboyize

FMA:B : amazing storyline, well-written, exciting

FMA 03 : filler

You may choose.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

The FMA movie was alright, not necessarily good.
FMA 03 show itself was 4-5/10 to me.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@massdebater
Both for the best experience.

Episodes 1-15 of FMA 2003.
Episodes 6 - 64 of FMA Brotherhood.

Techpill
Techpill

@MPmaster
But what if I've already seen FMA:B, should I still consider giving FMA 03 a chance?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Sir_Gallonhead
This! Seriously, FMA 03 literally missed to include Hohenheim properly. Mere shit.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Techpill
That depends on how much you liked FMA:B/the manga. If you liked it a lot you probably won't enjoy how 03 goes out of its way to insult the themes and values presented in Brotherhood. It basically implies they're childish and unrealistic.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@iluvmen
Objectively this.

That being said, I still enjoyed both. Even if the ending was retarded on 2003 version, I enjoyed it.

Techpill
Techpill

@Techpill
Sure. I think most people agree it's at its best in the beginning before the story starts going off rails (at least compared to manga, I suppose it's possible for someone to prefer the new direction), so if you don't feel like watching it at some point, you can drop it without having to worry you missed too much.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@BunnyJinx
Manga's Hohenheim is dull. I preferred 03's Hohenheim who was actually a terrible person and an absolute hypocrite. He only stopped playing along with Dante because it seemed nonviable, not because he found her actions unethical. Its so much more interesting than the manga's tragic backstory which tries to explain away his mistake.

girlDog
girlDog

@Techpill
Yes, especially the first 15 episodes. After that, you can watch the rest if you want a different story with the FMA characters.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@massdebater
Neither, read the manga instead.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Sir_Gallonhead
character
Talking about characterizations. What about Roy? As someone who actually did like his plotting and political idealism (somehow reminded me of House of Cards).

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

the thing about the second show is that it seems to rely on you to have actually seen the first one, so it rushes some good stories just to get to the 'new stuff'.

eGremlin
eGremlin

I rewatch brotherhood with one of these playlists, but theyre both good.

theres something called FMA United someone made but I was never able to find a download of it, heres the text file from the torrent http://pastebin.com/HJ7eenVA

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@RumChicken
Talkling about politics. Does FMA: 03 emphasize on fighting or rather on dwelling upon the human mind? I watched Brotherhood and like the way they restrained the fighting.

idontknow
idontknow

@Sharpcharm
I watched Brotherhood and like the way they restrained the fighting.

What? Brotherhood was nothing but a huge battle for the last 15% of the manga. 03 has no final battle. Its almost all resolved through dialogue and people die because they've been murdered or fucked up. I can only think of a few major fights (Sloth, Greed, Bradley) and those last 3-8 minutes or so.

RavySnake
RavySnake

reason to watch Brotherhood:

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@idontknow

Brotherhood was definitely more actiony than FMA03, but that shouldn't deter anyone looking for good quality action in FMA03.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@massdebater
FMA:B has better soundtracks.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Ignoramus
different user, it's more to do with the fact that he really only appears at the very end and has very little characterization that bugs me.
shows up
talks with edward and alphonse
leaves
shows up again
dies .

kinda underwhelming

Skullbone
Skullbone

@haveahappyday
@haveahappyday
What about Roy?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@GoogleCat
Damn you, now Rewrite's stuck in my head.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Poker_Star
ITS GERMANY NOW. LOOK DRAGONS AND NAZIS

Techpill
Techpill

@Skullbone
If I remember correctly, 03 focuses on him mostly in regards to the Ishbal conflict. Hes important but nothing too major happens to him except the fight he has at the very end. There are some key aspects added to his backstory and Hawkeye's whole "muh tattoo" stuff is removed. Also he doesn't kill Lust early on because Lust is a pretty central character for almost all of 03.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

FMA is good up till episode 25.

FMA:B gets good at episode 14.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@massdebater

2003 has the better early episodes because Brotherhood assumes you have read the manga or seen 2003 by that point.
I'd say watch both of them because they are both good.
If you dont want to watch both of them then watch 2003 up to episode 19 and then swap to brotherhood and start it at episode 8.
The early 2003 episodes are superb at introducing the characters, even if there are some filler episodes they are still pretty good and are interesting because they are still giving you an idea of how alchemy works and how its used/misused in the world.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

03 had the better homunculus in terms of characterization, I also didn't mind the ending

Skullbone
Skullbone

@iluvmen
I for one liked where they were going with the story, it blended pretty well together with the original storyline except the last 4-5 Episodes that really weren't necessary.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Techpill
No, the story is absolute shit and they pull things out of nowhere. The ending is stupid as fuck and the movie was even more stupid.

How can you take it seriously when your main character dies and fucking goes to real life GERMANY to be a rocket scientist. Then have fucking Nazi's try to make magic to take over the shows canonical world. Its dumb as shit and ed and al end up living in Germany abandoning EVERYONE THEY HAVE EVER KNOWN FROM AMESTRIS. Ed is a whiny fuckboi and Al is lame as shit.

The 2003 TV series doesn't try hard enough, they reuse characters that shouldn't be relevant after their 15 seconds of fame and the characters that they do create that weren't in the manga are lame as shit. 2003 Wrath is a whiny bitch just like Ed in that series.

FastChef
FastChef

@GoogleCat
Wait what opening was this again?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@kizzmybutt
Fuck off Reddit.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@massdebater

2003 and then Brotherhood.

It's how a smart person does it.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Soft_member
Yeah, i prefer to pretend that the movie didn't exist... it was kinda... eh.
The parts in the other world were good, but i wish there was more development of human alphonse, plus the bad guy was like, really shit... ultra forgettable. Nazi alphonse cojuld have also been a lot better characterized too, same with wrath, he mostly seems to be there just for cameo purposes.
pretty much:
Nazi germany plot: Good
FMA universe plot: Eh...

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Nude_Bikergirl
Sloth: Mum > Stronk
Lust: Imouto > Burn Victim
Greed: loldead > China#1
Gluttony: Gluttony = Gluttony
Envy: Onii-san < Fetus

Eyes < Why inject a humunculus into a human again?
Abortion < Salem

@FastChef
4th. Rewrite

@Emberburn
I thought the ending to 03 was stupid, but then the last chapter of the manga was published and I couldn't believe it was actually worse.

Inmate
Inmate

@FastChef
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRaVvd8FYSM

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Ignoramus
Ah from the first FMA reason i dont remember it.

WebTool
WebTool

@Illusionz
I dunno, this is going to leave way to many plotholes and dropped storylines and confusion for a first time watcher. If you've seen both of them you can pull out the differences but not the first round for one of them.

@eGremlin
This is the best way to watch without adding to many things, the left has like 1 off sentence that may be confusing. The right I'd only recommend if you really want to extend the series with all the good stuff from 03.

massdebater
massdebater

@Ignoramus
I meant the whole mechanic of having the homunculus be failed human transmutations and their desire to become humans instead of them being parts of Father

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Emberburn
implying that the characters in the manga/2009 anime weren't also forgettable
The hommunculi lost all of their backstory and personality making them completely forgettable and reducing them to MOTW enemies
The characters from xing were completely forgettable and had little to no bearing on the plot, the entire series could have happened without them and
Scar's character development and backstory went to complete shit as well as his redemption arc

@lostmypassword
implying that FMA:B didn't have it's own annoying shitstain character

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Raving_Cute
Most people like Salem, and considering he is most directly comparable to Wrath its hard not to. I prefer 03 but Salem was way better than a lot of the other Manga homunculi. In fact, he was probably my 2nd favorite from the manga behind Envy.

TreeEater
TreeEater

FMA 03> SoL moe show> FMA:B> garbage> FMA manga

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

So, just out of curiosity,what sets FMA apart from other typical shounen?
Is it just the fact that it doesn't go on ad infinitum and has actual pacing or is there something more to it?
I remember enjoying FMA but it's been so long since I've watched it that I can't actually remember much of it, but it's considered a classic even here, where a lot of shounen is frowned upon as casual garbage..

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@BinaryMan
Nostalgia, pacing, and an ending. Its not that much better than other shounen. Gash Bell is better than Brotherhood honestly.

FastChef
FastChef

@SniperWish
dogshit
I would say girldog shit. Get it?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Raving_Cute
Salem was more than alright in comparison with Wrath from FMA 03, seriously.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@massdebater
Glasslip.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@lostmypassword
Gash Bell
they changed the name to avoid balls puns
Christ.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@BinaryMan
well animated
great soundtrack
visual style is believable and aestheticall pleasing
no bullshit about powerlevels, everyone has weaknesses and strengths and battles revolve around these
main themes such as genocide, acceptance of the death of family member, the meaning of power, etc are central to the story and not just filler for the background
overarching plot with an actual ending

FMA is shonen done right.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

What soundtrack do you prefer? I think Brotherhood has better music overall, but nothing beats Bratja

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Ignoramus
2003 hands down.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@VisualMaster
How would you say it compares to other exceptional shounen?
The best example of such a series that I can come up with off the top of my head would be something like Eureka Seven.
This is actually starting to fascinate me.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

03 version is shit and everybody here who says it's better should die of the AIDS they are already infected with.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Carnalpleasure
This.

The manga is still better than both, tbh

idontknow
idontknow

why do people like 2003 again?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@idontknow
Milfs.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Carnalpleasure
@idontknow
"I need a sugary sweet, happy ending for my Chinese cartoons"!

Grow up

girlDog
girlDog

@idontknow
Cause they hate happy endings
Also shit taste in general and nostalgia

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Would you?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Butt would you?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@idontknow
Because the tone's actually consistent. Also, none of that "All I ever really wanted was...FRIENDSHIP!" bullshit.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@w8t4u
I need "muh tragedy"
Fuck off and watch Tokyo Ghoul

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@RavySnake
I thought he was dissappointing, he got built up as a major villain but he didn't last very long.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Sharpcharm
still dont know whether boy or girl

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Raving_Cute
Officially neither.

w8t4u
w8t4u

all this counterbalancing advice
fuck it, I'm not OP but I think I'll watch FMA firs tthen FMA brotherhood. I don't like watching things unfinished eitherway.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@w8t4u
That's probably the beast thing to do, you only have to watch the stuff you've already seen for the first 6 episodes of brotherhood and even then it's different enough to be interesting and keep you entertained until you get to the different stuff.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@w8t4u
Yeah OP here probably I will also do like this since the opinions seem 50% 50%

TechHater
TechHater

@w8t4u
That pic
This kills the manga. But yeah, just watch them in the order they aired, that's how most did it.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@massdebater
Neither. You should read the manga, and that's that.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

I actually watched Brotherhood.
Recently saw this thread and decided to watch the first two episodes of FMA 03 on netflix, I cannot really explain why but I couldn't see what people like about it so far. Is this normal? I guess it is, considering that I am rather accustomed with Brotherhood as humorous and emotional anime.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@BlogWobbles
FMA ending was awful, Brotherhood has the cliche happy ending but at least you are happy for them.

Elric Brothers basically lose everything in FMA.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@kizzmybutt
And what disturbs me most is that eyepatch of Roy, I do not want to be "spoiler"ed but seriously why would they change his outer appearance to the negative?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@BlogWobbles
Really? Getting stuck in an alternate reality nazi land right before WWII is a better ending?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@hairygrape
I assume better in terms of plot line and creativity, not necessarily more positive.

girlDog
girlDog

@hairygrape
this! Just what the fuck? Having your beloved protagonists turn into nazis is such a great ending....

farquit
farquit

Brotherhood biggest fault is that it isn´t about the strong bond between brothers. Is instead tries to be about so many fucking things, and do none of them right.

The first FMA had two focus, brotherhood and the equivalent exchange, and did them excellent.

FMA 03 > shit > FMA:B

Lunatick
Lunatick

@hairygrape
Nazis, attacking Amestris
a dragon kills Hohenheim
they get stuck in Germany
no more Ametris just pre-WWII Germany
looking for Uranium
basically become Nazis or help contribute
no Ed and Winry

I dunno man. I thought the plot sucked and the whole idea was stupid.

Methnerd
Methnerd

FMA is better
so edgy
watching morbid animes
FMA: B childish

80% of all FMA fanboys/girls

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Lunatick
Exactly, especially the fact that Winry and Ed couldn't even establish a romantic relationship? That's just shit.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Methnerd
Episode 2 of FMA: B dwelled more properly on the whole background story of the two Elric brother than 10 Episodes of FMA.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Soft_member
Honestly I was so hurt by that ending I had to marathon the first 10 episodes of Brotherhood to get over it.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Brotherhood doesnt exist in my mind. Neither does the manga.

askme
askme

@Soft_member
Plus, Ed's soliloquy in the train. Besides, I liked the way the two Brother's dedicate their remaining life time to expand their horizon concerning cultural and scientifical believes.
(*Those pictures were just great...)

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

I think all in all, we can certainly state that FMA did well, but eventually missed the opportunity to act as an proper adaption of the manga. Yet, I believe, it created a whole new story featuring the Elrics, which might either be enjoyed or not.

I still insist that people finally got the admit that FMA: B did way better.

Evilember
Evilember

@massdebater

First watch 2003 FMA, because it's depressing and beautiful.

Then watch Brotherhood because it's more comedic and happy. And accurate to the manga.

2003 FMA (and the movie) can be thoughw of as an alternate universe. (it's also really good.)

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Evilember
Alphonse. oh pardon, Alfons as nazi? Just why man, why.

Nojokur
Nojokur

The probably biggest mistake of FMA were Dante and Wrath. Whereas, Lust is way better characterised than in FMA:B.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Gigastrength
FMA 03 did something FMA:B never did. It cemented a emotional journey and end. Brotherhood/manga were all over the place, trying to do so many things in such a short span of time, that nothing really stuck. I cant remember the Chinese peoples name, I cant remember Armstrongs sisters name or what her role were. I cant say I was all that invested since no ones life was actually in peril if you were on the brothers side.

I insist that Brotherhood/manga is a bland mess compared FMA 03 anime.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Nojokur
and Hohenheim

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Sharpcharm
intersex
would obliterate with the cosmic power of my dick

Emberburn
Emberburn

FMA misses great soundtracks such as "Resembool Lulaby" "Trisha's Lullaby", "Lapis philosophorum" or mere simply sounds as "Lurking" etc.

farquit
farquit

I hated Brotherhood. Will I enjoy the first anime?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@w8t4u
This pic is turning me on

FastChef
FastChef

@farquit
Probably, you might consider them as opposites.
But why did you hate Brotherhood at all?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

The original was much darker, if you prefer Naruto watch Brotherhood.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@CouchChiller
comparing Naruto to Brotherhood
kek

MPmaster
MPmaster

I do not like the drawing style of FMA 2003.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@massdebater
Holy shit I pray you don't listen to traditionalfags suggesting the original version.

Please just watch Brotherhood and be done with it. It is better in every regard.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

I just finished FMA03

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@farquit
They're not drastically different experiences. Not sure why people like to pretend they are.

If you hated the better version then you'll hate the shittier version.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@kizzmybutt
Nostalgia. Most of Sheeky Forums watched FMA on Adult Swim years ago as a babbys first.

girlDog
girlDog

@FastChef

Act 1 - Felt like it went by in a flash.
Act 2 - Too many new characters and no breather.
Act 3 - The last boss felt like some DBZ shit and everyone that is not a bad guy won and received their price.

So is FMA 03 the opposite, or you just exaggerating?

takes2long
takes2long

'03 for characterization, Brotherhood for plot.

TechHater
TechHater

@MPmaster
Too dumb to be bait, too dumb to be true honest opinion. What is this?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Spamalot

But I don't think Alfons was actually (genuinely) a Nazi along with a lot of other characters; it was Germany during WW2 so a lot of people just thought they were in a war and didn't realize Hitler was actually trying to cause genocide.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@haveahappyday
If you hated the shitty version that is brotherhood, of course you will like the superior version that is the first one.

Fixed

Nojokur
Nojokur

@farquit

If you didn't like Brotherhood then you'll probably like FMA03.

They actually are pretty different, since 03 is more like a tragedy/drama and Brotherhood is an action shonen comedy.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@massdebater
Both are equally good. People might said brotherhood is better because they follow the manga more accurately but I don't think so. '03 has a totally different theme and it's not because it's a shitty adaptation in the case of FSN or Higurashi.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Things end too happily in Brotherhood.

03 is the complete opposite and gets pretty edgy.

I prefer 03 simply because you get 3 episodes of buildup for best father.

idontknow
idontknow

@BinaryMan

Did you watch the movie?
If not you didn't finish it.

@girlDog

FMA03:

-slower, more filler
-more characterization and a character driven story
-The final battle is some dramatic "Wtf did I just watch? " stuff

-the movie gives a final ending that makes it feel more complete.
-The music is better

Great if you can get emotionally attached to the cast.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@BinaryMan
So what is the bias that makes people claim Brotherhood to be the worst of the two? Popularity?

In any other situation you'd be laughed out of the building for claiming some anime-original shit to be better.

likme
likme

@Gigastrength
For me though, Brotherhood's comedy was pretty jarring and bizzare. At least '03 is consistent with its theme.

Though yeah, the author wanted to wrote a manga that's easy to read even for a kid.

Methshot
Methshot

@Gigastrength
Not that user, but it's because the first 1/5th of the show is rushed bullshit.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Gigastrength

People used to yell "BROTHERHOOD IS SUPERIOR!' and shit on anyone that liked '03 when Brotherhood came out and at least 4 years after.

But 03 is like an alternate universe and has a different story so there's no point in saying which one is better, since it's all based on opinion and different tastes.

(but 03 had more soul.)

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@VisualMaster
I think it's because we have TOO much shitty adaptations that have shitty original story. So people tend to react badly to that.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Raving_Cute
Salem was comparable to Wrath
You're fucking kidding. Salem barely annoyed me while Wrath annoyed me to no ends.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@kizzmybutt

Oh damn, yeah you're completely right.

I never noticed because most adaptions I've seen are never as long as '03 and end up only being like 12 episodes long.

happy_sad
happy_sad

OP, this thread is either full of idiots, trolls, or both.

Brotherhood is FAR superior. Anyone who says otherwise is lying or mentally deficient. It's a 100% proven fact.

But the answer to your question is:
Watch 2003 and then Brotherhood.
2003 has some great parts (made of stuff seeing as manga didn't finish yet) but ends in an absolutely ridiculous fashion. Doesn't answer all the questions.

Brotherhood has weird ass Chinese fucks, which I would say is a negative but overall they are fine. Greed is awesome, definitely equal or better than in the 2003 version. The little girl is the worst character but not bad enough for it really to be a negative.

All plotlines are resolved, and it is NOT a happy ending as others say
They HAD to restore themselves at the end or the story is quite pointless. This isn't dark edgy real life anime. It has to complete its goal. They lose alchemy
And lots of events in Brotherhood are great while lots of parts suck in 2003
weirdass episode where ed and Mustang fight, the flower episode, etc vs mustang doing human alchemy, hawkeye's back, Greed vs others, the big baddie actually absorbing god

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Nojokur
I totally forgot about Dante. What was her deal? I remember NOTHING about her.

Evilember
Evilember

OCD completionist reporting in.

I watched 2003 and then, without pause, watched Brotherhood. All in the span of 3 days.

Brotherhood is better overall. The only thing 2003 did well was the death of a certain someone.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Nojokur
@CouchChiller
@w8t4u
implying Brotherhood didn't have its dark and gory parts

Remember when we thought Mustang murdered an innocent woman, thinking he killed Hughes? I remember being in total shock when I read it in the manga. The anime did it well but could have dragged it out even longer
Or how Lust died? Or every about Envy?
The weakness of Brotherhood is those stupid comic relief characters: Yoki, the chinese girl

But yea, 2003 had its dark moments: rose's rape, Scar's death, they don't succeed in the end.

I just started to remember the end of FMA. You guys are out of your mind for prefering that in the end. It was great but the end is really sucked.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Evilember
Who?
I like how 2003 characterized Nina and Hughes, so you felt their deathes.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@massdebater
If you really think you're going to watch both then watch 2003. If you're only going to watch one than still watch 2003 because it's the best.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@massdebater
Watch FMA if you want an -okay- spin off story, read the manga instead if you're actually interested in the real plot

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Playboyize
You don't have to prefer the end of '03 to prefer '03 to Brotherhood.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Carnalpleasure
For some reason people don't spoiler anymore.

Yes, it's Hughes.

WebTool
WebTool

@Deadlyinx
Everyone knows. But I did consider it, but those are two deaths everyone and their grandmas know.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@BinaryMan
The superior ending. Now don't watch the movie.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@WebTool
Well if the OP's honest and not just trying to start a FMA thread in the old fashion way, then I can imagine him being upset that people throw spoilers left and right for argument's sake.

massdebater
massdebater

@GoogleCat
You wouldn't happen to have a webm of this scene, would you? Or any 03 scene, really. I have nothing.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@BunnyJinx
True but let's look at my other complaints (feel free to disagree):

homoculi are made by people failing human transmutation
Great idea, but damn certain homoculi sucked: Wrath, Sloth
Pride (Wrath in Brotherhood) was hard to place. he killed his son in one (Nice and dark) and in the other, he was a smart intelligent badass.
The rest are about the same
Dante big baddy
Hm, I like the reference but overall it was a boring overdone storyline. .Anyone who started reading/watching the series could have came up with that overall scheme. brotherhood's big baddy's plan was better
Most of the series is identical
What FMA gave us: lots of weird filler episodes
What brotherhood gave us: continuous story (but nothing on the big scale)

TechHater
TechHater

recently saw Brotherhood (about a year ago)
now I have to rewatch FMA
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck.

My opinion: Watch 2003 and then Brotherhood. Both are great but different parts are great.

happy_sad
happy_sad

Chinks ruined the manga and Brotherhood. Watch the 03 anime.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Reasons to watch 03:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF6f4vrbi04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOfvxkwnSs8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwzAEwzUI8k

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Bidwell
that pic
Both series became cartoonish, based on situation.

takes2long
takes2long

It is true, yes it is true that FMA 03 keeps its rather small character pool. Thus, having a more complex character development. Yet, there is one little problem and her name is "Rose". I despised her and any additonal screentime she had in FMA 03.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Snarelure
First few episodes had horrible QUALITY. Brotherhood made a mistake keeping the character designs closer to arakawa's. It's really not her strong point, and they still managed to make them look worse than the manga. More mature, detailed characters fit better thematically.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Watch just FMA first. It'll make FMA Brotherhood seem much much better later on

Firespawn
Firespawn

@lostmypassword
Which is which? I swear, some pictures are flipped. White Rose is Brotherhood but the rest??? Is the left side Brotherhood?
If so, both sides had bad shit.
But yeah, Brotherhood didn't win out with animation

Methshot
Methshot

@Firespawn
All the pictures on the left are brotherhood and all the pictures on the right are 03.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@lostmypassword
Pale Rose threw me off every time she was on screen.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Firespawn
Are you blind? Haven´t watched Brotherhood nor FMA, even I can tell. Left B, right FMA.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Firespawn
I haven't seen any of them, but judging from what I heard about quality and the 2nd row(Jesus christ look at that shit)
Left is 2003
Right is Brotherhood

iluvmen
iluvmen

@whereismyname
You're wrong.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Methshot
@AwesomeTucker
@whereismyname
Ta da. I was right when I said:
@Firespawn
Both sides have shit

Both series had great points for animation and bad times.

takes2long
takes2long

@whereismyname
Top kek.

Well, neutral party decided it.
03 is winning no matter what. Only ones that like Brotherhood are the new generation that saw it first.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Bidwell
dam miss that ost. thanks for reminding user

SniperWish
SniperWish

2003
I thought it was much better up until that fucking German world shit. It would have been much better if Dante sent Ed into the gate, doing the same to Hohenheim before, and Hohenheim helps Ed reform himself to get back. Then it would continue like it did before up until Ed sacrifices himself. Instead of sending himself to Germany he would send himself inside of the gate, unable to return. Then Alphonse would come back like he did at the end of 2003. Much better ending.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@takes2long
neutral party decided it
neutral party mislabeled it

only people who prefer Brotherhood are those who watched it first
I saw FMA when it was coming out and saw Brotherhood maybe 2-3 years after it finished. I don't know which I prefer but I definitely think FMA flopped around at the end with stupid crap (Sloth and Wrath were horrible; the last episode was dumb). but overall, both are amazing. 2003 is definitely more emotional and invests you better, but Brotherhood did the story better

Emberfire
Emberfire

I finished Brotherhood recently. If you are new to anime, go with that. If you aren't, skip FMA altogether. There was never really a point where I said, yeah this was worth watching 64 episodes for. Nothing that you havent seen before happens, and you expect it to be a show that lives off of tweests except no major tweests happen and it ends in a boring way. The constant juxtaposition of comedy and tragedy is frustrating too. A few nicely animated scenes, Hughes death will let you in on the raining meme, and thats it.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@lostmypassword
Brown Rose is superior Rose

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

What. is. this.
This isn't the Sheeky Forums I know. It's changed alot since I was on (2012ish?)... NEVER did Sheeky Forums say the 2003 was better. Even with nostalgia. There was more negative to 2003 than negative in B.

I like both but Brotherhood is superior

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Boy_vs_Girl

2003 lovers have been here FOREVER since 2005 ya dummy.

We just got drowned out by all the raving Brotherhood fans.

Techpill
Techpill

@Emberfire
2005
Brotherhood wasn't even being made yet.

FMA is good. It will always be good. It will always be one of my picks for best anime, but it just got beat.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Techpill

Well yeah I know it wasn't being made or thought of. But these Anons make it sound like there were never any 03 fans.

Also nah I'm pretty sure Brotherhood didn't beat 03.

askme
askme

@w8t4u
I need a shitty forced SUFFERING ending for my chinese cartoons
Fuck off

TreeEater
TreeEater

@askme

Can't everyone just agree to disagree?
And get along?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@massdebater
FMA 2003 is just a shitty fanfiction, just watch Brotherhood or, even better, read the manga.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@massdebater
watch 2003 and then brother hood

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@MPmaster
this

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@King_Martha
I dunno wut reading comprehension is.
Read again, without going full retard.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@DeathDog
Anytime, user. It's a crime that Michiru Oshima doesn't get more work. I just found out that she's doing the music of Rokka no Yuusha this season. I might have to pick it up just for her.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@lostmypassword
@Methnerd
Thank you, user.

massdebater
massdebater

@lostmypassword
If there are others you want, name them and I'll make a webm quickly.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Watch 03 and read the manga. Every other option is worse. And stop comparing them plot-wise, as they are completely different.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@massdebater
You should eventually experience every FMA - Manga, 2003 and Brotherhood because each offers unique and worthwhile experience.

Manga and Brotherhood
Focuses more on the story and the world in which it takes place. It's grand adventure with fun and likeable characters, it has a backdrop and catharsis.

2003
Focuses more on characters, philosophical and ethical questions of the alchemy problematic. The whole story is more personal, way less adventurous and more tragic.

Definitely watch both, since they are worth it. I prefer 2003 version, although again both versions have their flaws. Generally, if you want big adventurous cleverly-told story go with Brotherhood and if you want more of a personal psychological journey of a main character go with 2003.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@massdebater
Anything scene worked on my Yutaka Nakamura would be great. I know there's a really cool scene near the end where Roy sets bradley on fire and he regenerates. There's also a pretty good scene of Scar destroying an amestrian camp, but I don't remember when it happened.

Forgot that I had this one already.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

I forgot that this existed. Was it worth seeing?

StonedTime
StonedTime

@StrangeWizard

It was fine until the first major plotwise regarding the brother. The entire movie goes to shit afterwards. It lacks humor as well, so it's kind of joyless.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Watch Brotherhood first then 03 later if you want more FMA but something different.

Literally everything is better in Brotherhood. And Brotherhood has Ling, which 03 doesn't. Not to mention Hohenheim is fucking awesome in Brotherhood.

People will go on about how its shit compared to 03 because it isn't depressing or some magical journey like the 03 version or because it actually has a happy ending instead of your cliche sad bullshit you see everywhere today, but you can really just ignore them.

likme
likme

All these hipsters saying 03 is better

Hahah, get fucked. When did Sheeky Forums become so bad? Everyone here used to hate that shit.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@lostmypassword
@Methshot
2003 had more capable and inventive main director. He found the perfect balance for the animation. It (except for openings) never felt like anything special but it set somber mood very well and was more pragmatically functional instead of flashy.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Seriously, I just don't get it. What the fuck is wrong with a happy ending? 03's ending is retarded in general and I couldn't even bring myself to feel anything for it; it's just dumb.

Why can't Ed and Al finally end happy? Why can't Hohenheim die fulfilled? Why can't Mustang and co keep working to reach their dreams? Why is it that that's so much worse then "omg mustang is a broken ex military guy now its so realistic and sad.... omg and ed is in nazi germany... so sad..."

Its fucking stupid and just makes you look like a pretensions douchebag if you think Brotherhood has a worse ending just because it's "Happy". Seriously, you're not some novel critique looking over age old literature, you're watching a fucking shounen anime.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Boy_vs_Girl
But there weren't, really. There were some sure but they were far and few between. Then Brotherhood got really popular and suddenly EVERYONE loves 03 but Brotherhood sucks ass. The same thing is happening with Dragon Ball now with Super and GT. It's fucking pathetic.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Brotherhood is canon.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@StrangeWizard
Its alright, not as bad as Shamballs but its not really something that needed to be made either.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Firespawn
@Firespawn
I think the characters were also more consistantly on model. In @Methshot
's example, the kids, who are 10 and 11 at the time, too like chubby toddlers in the 5th row. Then in the next row Al looks like he's about 45. The animators in 2005 were able to convey the emotion of terror he was feeling without deforming his face to make him look like a different character.

I like the first row and the last row shots from 2003 as well. Pulling the camera away from the characters and making them silhouettes gives us a more objective view. By removing the audience from the scene, it makes it feel like the brothers are closer. And the way Ed is standing in the first image while Al is sitting down symbolically expresses their relationship well. I like the second image on the Brotherhood side, it does a good job of creating a sense of dread, but it felt somewhat out of place in the style of the rest of that scene.

idontknow
idontknow

@Deadlyinx
That's the one. Thank you!

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@StonedTime
@idontknow
Not sure whether this is the camp battle you were referring to, but it's all I could find.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@haveahappyday
That was exactly the one I was thinking about thank you again.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@TreeEater
Where the fuck do you think you are?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@RumChicken
2003 anime doesn't exist in my mind. Neither does the Shamballa movie.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

FMA 2003 was my first anime and I fucking hate it now and prefer the manga. Nostalgia doesn't blind everyone.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Realistically, 03 is better. There's actual consequences to their actions even in the end. Ed still doesn't have his arm or leg and they're now stuck in the "real" world where alchemy doesn't exist. Ed was the older one and is SLIGHTLY more responsible, but they did try to make a human and bring someone back to life.

Adventure-wise, Brotherhood is better. I still am sore about them being super lazy on the introduction episodes though, so it loses a few points when judged solo.

So, while I may like 03 better, I end up rewatching Brotherhood more, with a few 03 episodes to flesh out the beginning.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@farquit
this man is correct also 03 ost > Brotherhood

takes2long
takes2long

@VisualMaster
Brotherhood has actual consequence as well, it's just swept under the happy ending. Ed loses his alchemy, still doesn't have his leg and never really reconciles with Hohenheim in a meaningful way.

King_Martha
King_Martha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYj5zwfdM7g

Methnerd
Methnerd

I prefer 03. I can't really deal with Brotherhood's try at comedy, I didn't like the character design (mainly the head shapes), didn't give a fuck about the Xing guys - and I didn't like a lot of the action or the ending.

idontknow
idontknow

@takes2long
Yea, but it's by choice, not by rules of reality. Ed literally has a philosophers stone (his father) willing to pay the price. And theres another stone which was used for Mustangs eyes and Roy's legs which could have fixed his other leg too. And even then Al has his alchemy and there are alchemists everywhere so its not like Ed doesn't have access to it. Not to mention when they reboot it in x~ years and he gets it back somehow.

In 03, they are kicked out of the alchemists world pretty much and are sent to Nazi germany. Hohenheim gets pretty much what he deserves, and there isnt a cute "I was spreading my philosophers stone around and thats why I wasn't there to be an actual father " backstory. Ed calling him a shitty father is more reconciliation then he ever deserved.

Evilember
Evilember

@VisualMaster
This.

2003.
With the exception of the ending, direction and characters are portrayed in better way, especially the protagonists. The tones are more obscure, but fit well for that kind of transposition. Personally, although the end was retarded ( and do not even talking about the movie) , I really liked the theme of the entire underground city sacrificed , at the time I liked a lot that location.

Pic for an ant, I know

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@w8t4u
Both endings were tonally appropriate for the series they belonged to.

03's greatest weakness is that the plot becomes muddled and characters presences feel unneeded as the plot gets more high concept. I appreciate its ambition, but Brotherhood has a much tighter story overall.

Brotherhood's greatest weakness is unfunny and unnecessary comedy. A lot of quieter moments are ruined by out of place wacky faces that are reacting to something that didn't warrant a comical response. It thankfully peters out later on.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Ignoramus
I've never heard a reason why the Brotherhood ending is bad other than it being happy.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@idontknow
03 doesn't even have a real final battle. Would have been out of place in that story anyway.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@PackManBrainlure
I would say its not bad, its just not really consistent with the series and is a letdown when hoping for a better ending then the 03 version.

03 tries a original ending, doesn't do too good at it, tries again and does even worse.

But Brotherhood goes completely generic, with massive power level jumps and double deus ex machina with the two anti-transmutation circles(Anti Dwarf in a Flask/Philosophers Stone unmaking)

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Anyone else fucking groan at that half-assed "Third Impact" in Brotherhood?

Jesus H lady if you're going to pull something like that, don't half-ass it. You could've literally cut that scene from the story and nothing would've changed.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@AwesomeTucker
what are you talking about

whereismyname
whereismyname

@cum2soon
When everyone dropped dead then got brought back like 5 minutes later.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@AwesomeTucker
That scene is the whole point of Brotherhood's plot.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@girlDog
*Having your protagonists turn into Nazi's, forcibly or by choice, sent to the Eastern front, suffering and freezing their balls off for 2 years, and dying in a Soviet gulag after 1 year of torture is a great ending

Soft_member
Soft_member

@AwesomeTucker
This so much, I would have liked them to overcome it using domething smart or just not include it, its pretty shit that this whole things been built up but it doesn't matter because Hohenheim has already got the counter ready.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Snarelure
Is it really?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@whereismyname
Well, Hohenheim leaving his family so he could save the world instead of staying at home when his wife died so that his sons could be stopped if they tried anything foolish was one of the catalysts for Al and Ed to do human transmutation and thus start the whole series.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Most seem to only dislike Brotherhood because it's a happy ending (forgetting that it's a happy ending rightfully earned). It is vastly superior to the filler bullshit that is 03'. Watch that first and if you must, venture back to 03'.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Harmless_Venom
That pretty tangential. The truth is she didnt have the balls to go with that route (it wouldve been pointless either way), but still wanted to dip a toe in the pool.

Imo she shouldve just cut that whole part of the plot.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@massdebater
2003 had higher production values, better soundtrack and a better defined personality of it's own but Brotherhood stays faithful to the manga, watch both.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@iluvmen
I'd say the best 40.

cum2soon
cum2soon

First full metal, it was awesome and i love it more

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Soft_member
I would have liked them to overcome it using something smart
Were you expecting a deux ex machina out of the box thinking? I think it was fine the way it was done. Hohenheim knew what happened to Xerxes, so it's not ridiculous to assume that he would've come up with a back-up strategy in case things went to shit again. It also gives a good explanation of why he was a shit father and left his family.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

I watched Brotherhood up to episode 34 and dropped it. I can confirm it was rushed and it had a light tone to it. So I'd go with the original instead if you want the better experience.

eGremlin
eGremlin

I'd honestly say watch Brotherhood and ignore the rest.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@lostmypassword
When did Ed got such a tan?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@massdebater
Brotherhood for the real story, then 2003 for fun

askme
askme

@ZeroReborn
I watched Brotherhood up to episode 34 and dropped it. I can confirm it was rushed and it had a light tone to it.
Tragedy faggot, please refrain from giving shit opinions.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@VisualMaster
I'd say 03 was better, IF the ending hadn't crashed and burned so spectacularly that it ruined the rest of it

And then, instead of letting the corpse of the series rest, it was resurrected and we got Shamballa, 2 hours of Nazi's being evil because(?), with nothing being resolved of course, and the Ed and Al are cursed to die in Stalingrad, Leningrad, or a Soviet gulag in 15 years

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Nojokur
unironically thinking that FMA Brotherhood is the best shounen anime
Go back to reddit

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@massdebater

Brotherhood

Alternatively, watch the first 20 episodes or so of FMA, then watch episode 8 of Brotherhood up until the end.

Ignore the nostalgiafags and /v/ermin telling you to finish 03.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Brotherhood
Wrath and Greed the only Homonuculi worth a shit
Lust and Envy are literally trashmobs
And for some reason the most dangerous one is left alive

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Harmless_Venom

The counteracting transmutation circle was set up well before the ending, so you knew it was coming. It provided Hohenheim with a warranted reason to leave Al and Ed, and was his redemption for his past with Father. Without it, Hohenheim might as well have been a drunk bum who abandoned his wife and children for little reason for all the good his uninvolvement with the rest of the story did.

You could say that this makes the rest of the crew and their efforts meaningless, and in regards to Father, that is very true, though their efforts were admirable. However, by taking out the other homunculi during the final battle, they paved the way for a defenseless Father during the square battle, at which point Hohenheim himself was beat.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Firespawn
I prefer 2003 and hate TG

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@kizzmybutt
@Lunatick
@iluvmen
@WebTool
@BlogWobbles
@Lunatick
@girlDog
If you can watch 30 consecutive minutes of 03' after watching the glory that is Brotherhood, you should fucking kill yourself.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Lord_Tryzalot
What in 2003 was "shitty fucking filler padding?" Every episode has SOMETHING relevant, even if it takes a long time for it to become relevant. The fake Elric brothers are probably the closest to "filler and padding", but that episode introduces the red water AND the fake Elrics come back later on.

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