Utena

viagrandad
viagrandad

Was there a single girl in this show that Akio didn't savagely fuck?

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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-07-03/right-stuf-nozomi-ent-to-release-revolutionary-girl-utena-on-blu-ray-disc/.90040
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Snarelure
Snarelure

@viagrandad

Jury. She's a gold star lesbian.

Don't know why she teases Miki, tho.

takes2long
takes2long

Juri. Too lesbian.
Nanami. Too pure.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@viagrandad
I remember when I first saw that picture before watching the show and thought that the black hand was Anthy. Why couldn't it have been Anthy?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@viagrandad
Tsuwabuki.

farquit
farquit

@whereismyname
Anthy was mental though.

farquit
farquit

A woman is just a woman in the face of the alpha male.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@farquit
Always thought that Anthy was a tad bit creepy.

@farquit
Alpha manchild if I may correct.

Techpill
Techpill

@viagrandad
A better question is, is there any boy Akio didn't fuck?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@King_Martha
Alpha who turned all the strong independent duelists into horny little girls. Nothing manchild about that.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Snarelure
Don't know why she teases Miki, tho.
Miki's basically an honorary lesbian

@whereismyname
It definitely should have been Anthy

Illusionz
Illusionz

@takes2long
All the more reason why they're the best girls.

SniperGod
SniperGod

I liked how disgusted Nanami was when Anthy and Akio were fucking even though she wanted Touga to fuck her brains out.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@SniperGod
She never wanted that though.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Methnerd
thinks tons of sex with middle schoolers and sports cars make him manly
The fact that he can't leave the academy shows that he's a literal manchild.

It's, like, the whole point of his character

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@viagrandad
No vagina or anus was left unscathed.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@SniperGod
That was definitely one of the top five scenes in the show.

#1 scene is when Utena opens Anthy's coffin and says, "It's nice to finally meet you" ;_;

Methnerd
Methnerd

@RumChicken
why can i never find hatecest porn of these two?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Ignoramus
She was lusting for Touga until she stopped believing he was her biological brother.

girlDog
girlDog

@Carnalpleasure
thinks tons of sex with middle schoolers and sports cars make him manly
That's livin' the dream. Akio truly is the best.

likme
likme

@VisualMaster
She never wanted to fuck him, that's why she pushed him away in Akio's car.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Methnerd
There's not much Utena porn in general, unfortunately.

massdebater
massdebater

@Poker_Star
#1 is Utena talking about her school lunch while you slowly realize that Akio is fucking her and she's guilt tripping over it. That did things to my boner.

WebTool
WebTool

@viagrandad
Isnt this set in middle school?
The fuck is with japanese?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@SniperGod
Nanami is just a little girl that loves her big bro in a pure way. A real incestual relationship is the farthest thing from her mind. That's why she's best girl.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Raving_Cute
Literally worst girl. Impure cat killer who is only good for comedic purposes.

FastChef
FastChef

@Raving_Cute
that loves her big bro in a pure way
So pure that she was envious of girls paying him attention and would watch him shower nude because it made her feel good.

Yeah man, completely pure and innocent sibling relationship.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@viagrandad

Re-watching that scene in the english dub actually really made me appreciate how much the woman who played Utena grew into her role, at the start of the series her voice didn't really fit well and the delivery was awkward, but the way she talked so quietly and the inflections of her voice in this scene made it really chilling and totally engaging to listen to.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Raving_Cute
She certainly becomes better later on and has the funniest episodes but at the beginning she's a bitch.

Always found it funny that Anthy was seemingly the only black girl and all the white girls bullied her.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@WebTool
implying you wouldn't fuck middle schooler Utena, Anthy, or Nanami

But really, was this show really directed towards school girls in Japan? Were they the intended audience? Because I feel like the only real take-away for them would be that all their friends are having sex

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@PurpleCharger
I actually tend to really like Rachel Lillis. Yeah, the early part of the dub was pretty bad and Anthy was always weird, but that seemed the point.
It's funny when you think she was also the original voice of Misty and Jesse on the Pokemon dub.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Raving_Cute

She didn't love him in a pure way, she was just too naive to really understand what loving him in an impure way truly meant, and when she was confronted with it she couldn't handle the reality of it.

It'd be like someone who is really enamored with the idea of bungee jumping or sky diving but when someone actually takes them they end up too scared at the idea of actually doing it that they quit at the last possible second.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@w8t4u
anthy
black

Inmate
Inmate

@Nojokur
You have to remember who's directing this thing.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@PurpleCharger
english dub
Really? I was tempted to watch it now that it's on Hulu mobile. I tried for a couple minutes and gave up.

Black girl
I always assumed she was supposed to be Indian, they even give her a red dot thing in the movie

w8t4u
w8t4u

@w8t4u
@haveahappyday
@Poker_Star
They be curry niggers.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@haveahappyday
Black girls in anime usually mean a white girl with a good tan.

MPmaster
MPmaster

how/why did Anthy turn into car in the movie? it's probably been explained but I haven't watched it in years.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Poker_Star
The red dot is called a bindi.
And she had one, albeit much smaller, in the TV series.
So did Akio.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@w8t4u
Why is Akio so ugly? It's like all the cute went to Anthy.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Poker_Star

The early episodes are tough to get through as most of the voice actors/actresses don't get the feel of the character down well or they don't have the right delivery for the scene, but they all slowly start to settle in to their characters and after some point you actually grow to like them a lot, it gets good around the time the black rose saga starts.

Some people say that Anthy's actress stays a little to weird, but honestly I think the kind of hollow way the actress plays her suits it eerily well from the black rose saga onwards, and in retrospect it gives first season Anthy a bit more of a foreshadowing kind of feel.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@MPmaster
Utena was the one who turned into a car. It the death of her childhood and rebirth as an adult. \
Sacrificing her own dreams to carry Anthy out of the prison that was Ohtori Acadamy. Or something like that.
I think that was one of the moments when Ikuhara was listening to the pterodactyl noises in his head.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@w8t4u
Guess I'll have to try it my next rewatch

@MPmaster
You mean Utena? It was so that she could be the 'vehicle' of Anthy's escape. Symbolically, the myths of the masculine and the feminine depend on each other, so once Utena was able to throw away her ideals of the prince, Anthy was also freed from her role as the Rose Bride.

Real reason: Ikuhara wanted to see a pretty girl transform into a car

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Supergrass
Real reason: Ikuhara wanted to see a pretty girl transform into a car
Best transformation sequence in anime history.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@LuckyDusty

Mfw in the english dub she also played Chuchu

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@RavySnake
By far. I'm an engineer, so the sweet visuals and the industrial remix of Zettai Unmei Mokushiroku give me a massive boner every time.

@New_Cliche
I never really got the point of Chuchu besides being Ikuhara's self-insert let alone the crocodile fetus in the movie

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@takes2long
Nanami is the best girl. Her brother is really fucked up though.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Sir_Gallonhead
Namani
Only good for milking really
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTV9r86hsJE

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Carnalpleasure

Seemed like Chuchu only existed to lighten to lighten the mood. That or Ikuhara just wanted to try and trick viewers into thinking Utena wasn't going to get as dark as it did.

And as for the movie...the only reason I can think of for the inclusion of that clip with cow Nanami/Chuchu/Crocodile fetus was for it to be solely a callback/cameo from the show for fans, because it really didn't seem to have any connection to what was going on at all.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@w8t4u
I think Nanami episodes are a good reminder to not take this shit too seriously

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Carnalpleasure
I never really got the point of Chuchu
Extension of Anthy and comic relief.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@w8t4u

Mfw start of the Black Rose arc when Kanae goes through the elevator sequence

I have no idea why but the woman who played Kanae in the english dub really put her heart into that scene, she actually sounded really distraught and by the end she was totally unhinged. It's a shame she's never in it again.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Soft_member
Maybe. It's tough to tell when something is supposed to be meaningful or not.

I remember at the beginning of the movie, F-ko gets dumped by her boyfriend because she doodled on his back, and he had swimming practice the next day. Later, Shiori doodles croc fetus on Touga's back. So, this much foreshadows the revelation of Touga's death, maybe.

But as for why it's a croc fetus, no idea.

Also, what was up with Shiori? She said that her boyfriend died saving a girl, and that she'll make the girl pay, but in Utena's flashback, it seemed that it was Utena who was dating Touga. Is Shiori Utena's dark side, or am I retarded or something?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@w8t4u
Shiori's just a manipulative bitch who has no redeeming qualities and she tries to live vicariously through others.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@w8t4u

Might have been that even then Touga wasn't the 'prince' Utena unintentionally imagined him as and was two timing her? Or Shiori might have been speaking in the present tense as she and Touga act somewhat like lovers in the scenes they're shown together, so she retrospectively calls him her boyfriend, even if they're both dead.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Methnerd
so she retrospectively calls him her boyfriend, even if they're both dead.
Oh, right. Fuck. Didn't consider that.

@haveahappyday
Equally true. Would hatefuck, though.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@hairygrape
tfw blu-rays will never be released state-side

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Carnalpleasure
sweet visuals and the industrial remix of Zettai Unmei Mokushiroku give me a massive boner every time.
I'm glad I'm not the only one.
Shame Webm just doesn't do the scene justice, but here goes.
http://a.pomf.cat/mkswiu.webm
@happy_sad
And anime companies wonder why we pirate.

likme
likme

@haveahappyday
As much as Juri is a heartless uncommunicative bitch.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@likme
Juri
heartless
She only closed off her heart because Shiori broke it!

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Those 25 filler episodes with scenes and storylines repeated over and over again
Fucking 90's.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Gigastrength
filler
It's called character development and world building you fucking plebeian.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Supergrass
no explosions -> no story -> it's filler

Snarelure
Snarelure

What was the point of pretending to be a dead shota lover to a faggot ghost?

DeathDog
DeathDog

@SomethingNew
people have shit taste

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Gigastrength
those endlessly repeated scenes
thinking about skipping them
suddenly new stuff happens
Fucking Ikuhara.

TechHater
TechHater

@Raving_Cute
Let's not pretend Juri is blameless here.

The only thing that matters is that they were happy together at the end

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Supergrass
character development
Most of the characters remained the same though. There was hardly any character development. If anything, it hurt character development since it ruined the momentum of Anthy's and Utena's relationship by throwing it in the backburner.

world building
You don't build worlds by repeating the same scenes over and over again. If anything, it limits the scope of the world and cheapens it.

Pacing is the blood and spirit of a story.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@BinaryMan
Most of the characters remained the same though.
Who?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@ZeroReborn
That's not bad.
New content in a recap episode however, that's annoying.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@BinaryMan
Oh. You're really that stupid.
Okay, here we go.
The first cour and a half of the series was setting the stage. Introducing us to all the characters and their relationships.
Sometimes it's silly, sometimes it's serious, sometimes it's tragic, all times it's Ikuhara.
There's Utena trying to eke out a semblance of normalcy in her high school life despite the constant undercurrent of darkness from the duels and the student council.
It kicks into high gear once Akio is introduced and the Black Rose saga starts. We see the character's dreams and demons and their motivations and fears. Then the final act starts with Akio being more active and all the buildup, all that we've learned about the characters finally comes to a head.

As far as the re-use of animation goes, that was almost exclusively in the duels. And that was to drive home their ritualistic nature.
That and recycled animation saves on budget, which Ikuhara didn't have all that much of.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@ZeroReborn
Miki
Touga
Nanami
Utena
Juri

Almost nothing of value happened to these characters in the span of 20 episodes, save Nanami turning into a cow.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@lostmypassword

I have to say I really hate seeing Anthy with her hair down. When its done up it looks like it'd go to maybe the middle of her back, not down to her legs as it's shown.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Sharpcharm
You go fuck yourself. Episode 33 was the greatest recap episode in the history of anime.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Dreamworx
Sucks to be you.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@SniperGod
Utena's so lucky.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@MPmaster
I'm not saying they're not good, or that the new content isn't very interesting.
That's the problem, they're not skippable because they're so good.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@lostmypassword
I don't mind the first 13 episodes. I understand the point of world building and character establishment. I'm saying that there was a large part of episodes where there wasn't sufficient of either two. Did we really need three episodes of Juri being in love with a girl? The first one portrayed the character well enough. The following episodes cheapened her by repeating her.

Black Rose Saga
Filler. Everyone forgets about it the following episode. Has little to no bearing for most characters.

And that was to drive home their ritualistic nature.
We understood that the first 14 episodes. After that it was to save money and milk the series.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Dreamworx
She's fucking gorgeous like that.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@w8t4u
Did we really need three episodes of Juri
There's never enough Juri.

takes2long
takes2long

@farquit
Is she watching while the other one is getting the ? hot !

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@takes2long
Yeah, she does that

Methshot
Methshot

@takes2long
It's not hot, she's acutely distressed in that episode.

Methshot
Methshot

@w8t4u
Why this whole OST so GOTY

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Methshot
she's acutely distressed in that episode.
That's literally what makes it hot

@Methshot
Based Seazer. I've got all 9 discs of the OST downloaded, and listen to it all on a regular basis.

The remixes are great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i00lYsnOfZ8

Emberburn
Emberburn

@w8t4u
You're obviously trolling if you can't see how different each character is after each duel. Like it's almost too much character development and you're saying there's none at all, go bait elsewhere.

idontknow
idontknow

@Snarelure
The "point" was to manipulate Nemuro use him and his Black Rose duelists as "test" for Utena. For some reason Akio needed Utena to do all those fucking duels to test if she was good enough to be used to get the Power of Dios.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Emberburn
if you can't see how different each character is after each duel.
After the Black Rose duels?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Emberburn
Sure man. As if Miki changed jack shit after his initial duel with Utena.

@idontknow
When a story element is abruptly introduced halfway through the story, and ends with almost no lasting consequences on the story or the characters, then I regard that shit as filler. That's the Black Rose arc.

farquit
farquit

@Dreamworx
She has some magic hair.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Crazy_Nice
This.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@viagrandad
Yeah, Wakaba. He didn't like her.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@idontknow
Power of Dios
Speaking of, did they ever explain what exactly it was and why Utena was so strongly connected to it? It seemed to me that Akio was the body of the prince, now human and given to temptation, but trying to revive the power he once had, and the Power of Dios being the spirit of the prince that Utena once met.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@takes2long
Yes, she wanted Nii-sama's dick for herself.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@farquit
I want to smell her hair.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@happy_sad
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-07-03/right-stuf-nozomi-ent-to-release-revolutionary-girl-utena-on-blu-ray-disc/.90040

Playboyize
Playboyize

@SniperWish
How long does it take for releases like this to come unionside?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Carnalpleasure
If I understood everything, Dios and Anthy were both some kind of Godlike beings with mysterious powers. That is why Anthy can apperently change her appearance at will, that's why she can look both like a shota when she is with Nemuro and a literal greek godess with long hair when she is with Akio. She may also be able to create copies of herself, that's how she can be walking all around the school and be locked inside her coffin at the same time.

As for Dios, I don't know exactly what his powers are but they must have been pretty cool for him to have gotten all that love from the general public.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@TurtleCat
She may also be able to create copies of herself
The part where she was outside Akio's room with Nanami and Utena and inside Akio's room helping him poison his fiance was eerie as fuck.

Also, Anthy best girl.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Inmate

On that sort of note, how are you meant to see things that happened in his series? Penguin Drum seems to be the more 'characters are in reality' one, where as Yuri Kuma and Utena are these sort of bubble worlds where I'm not sure if the events actually are meant to have taken place since the school just keeps on going.

5mileys
5mileys

Did anyone else hate Anthy the entire time? I practically came everytime someone slapped her.
Although to be honest I hated everyone except Juri, Miki, Nanami and Ruka.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Illusionz
Anthy best girl.
I'm reminded people like you exist and it makes me sick.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@5mileys
@Evil_kitten
Shit taste and very possibly heartless.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@5mileys
Holy shit, kill yourself.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@5mileys
I wasn't a huge fan of her and I wasn't too fond of her helplessness, but I get that's just for the princess motif. However, the backstab after the rooftop heart-to-heart with Utena certainly doesn't play in her favor, regardless of motivation.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@MPmaster
Nanami will always be the best girl, Anthy is shit.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Burnblaze
being a furfag

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Viewing "Revolutionary Girl Utena" was like bending down to smell a bouquet of roses and discovering a scorpion within.
Oh, imdb reviews

whereismyname
whereismyname

@SniperWish
Nice, I was about to get the DVDs, but I can wait

Methshot
Methshot

@Poker_Star
That description is more accurate to someone new to web reviews and expecting something along the lines of a comprehensive, actual review.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@5mileys
Honestly, as people, I hate the entire cast of Utena. As characters they're interesting, though.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Spamalot
She's so cute when she wants to.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

who /kashira kashira/ here

girlDog
girlDog

Nanami stayed pure

As expected of best girl

Inmate
Inmate

@girlDog
She's a killer, m8

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

women can't resist the brown cock
truly revolutionary

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Dreamworx
Is that from the scene about the monkey-catching robot being superior, and Nemuro's waifu feeling sorry for it? Because that's one of the best scenes in the show. I crey evrytiem.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Inmate
I'd kill cats for that booty.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Evil_kitten
white girls wanting indian dick
Probably the first clue that Akio's not human

likme
likme

@SniperWish
They are supposed to be Japanese

Big Indian cock simply outdoes little Japanese dick

viagrandad
viagrandad

@SniperWish
Had me a good laugh at that, thanks.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

anime straight men will never understand : revolutionary girl utena

iluvmen
iluvmen

@MPmaster
@Bidwell
@WebTool
Typical Anthyfags. Enjoy your incestuous, backstabbing wet blanket worst girl.
@Evil_kitten
The only time I cried in Utena was midway through the rooftop scene when I realized Utena wasn't going to let Anthy kill herself, or throw herself off with her.
@Burnblaze
This nigger knows.
@eGremlin
Agreed.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@BlogWobbles
But can faggots understand this?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@BunnyJinx
still using the old DVDs
I shiggy diggy my niggy.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@kizzmybutt
Checkmate, homos

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@SniperWish
Man, that does look great. Need to make some home for it in the old hard drive.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@iluvmen
The only character I cared about was Nanami. Utena was cool until she fucked that nigger Akio.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

he didn't really fuck anyone. it was all a metaphor.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@SniperWish
I have the entire show in 1080p, but for some reason i can only find the movie in 720p tops. What's the deal?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Lord_Tryzalot
Make 70 gigs of room.
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=435309
This is the best encode around, but you'll need external subs.
Hope this link is still good.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ski6yy1sd7uk3kx/Utena+subs.zip

TreeEater
TreeEater

@iluvmen
My sincere apologies on your shit taste and mental disorder.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Deadlyinx
Correct, he just drove them home gently

idontknow
idontknow

Why was Miki's sister such an evil slut?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@cum2soon
This release has the movie in it in 1080p @Gigastrength

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Gigastrength
Are there updated subs for Utena? The subs for the remaster on BBT have some mistakes here and there.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Just watched to episode 5 of this show. I feel like beating up my past self for not watching this sooner, it's goddamn great so far.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Firespawn
I honestly couldn't tell you.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@King_Martha
I never thought much of Utena, she went right in the shitter once she started betraying her beliefs for the sake of dick.
@TreeEater
Right back at you user.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@idontknow
Because Miki refused to give her what she really desired, his dick. All her slutting around is a futile attempt to make him jealous enough to fug her.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@King_Martha
It was an interesting show, normally I drop stuff when I don't like characters but I was compelled to finish it.

askme
askme

@idontknow
Purityfags have it rough.

t.
Purityfag.

Inmate
Inmate

@Need_TLC
I felt the exact same way about Evangelion.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

But why was Saionji cooking eggs in a forest in the middle of the night?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@King_Martha
I never thought much of Utena, she went right in the shitter once she started betraying her beliefs for the sake of dick.
That's what was so great about this show. You spend the first half idolizing Utena as the hero who's going to befriend Anthy, beat all the bad guys, and revolutionize the world, and in the second half, you're reminded that she's just a 14-year-old girl who refuses to grow up. It's great.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@ZeroReborn
She didn't know what else to do with her period.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Inmate
Evangelion was much the same for me as well.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@ZeroReborn
That's... a pretty good question.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@ZeroReborn
Because he was camping.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@BinaryMan
Why does everything in anime and manga have to be about characters between the ages of 13 and 17?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Deadlyinx
Such a good ep.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@BinaryMan
I absolutely loved how human every character felt in Utena. It's one of my favorite things about it.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Soft_member
Because children are sexy, I guess?

farquit
farquit

@BinaryMan
I never rooted or idolized Utena since I hated Anthy's guts from the minute she was introduced. To me she was nothing but an annoying white knight playing pretend, which is exactly what she proved herself to be.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@StrangeWizard
I have no response to that.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Soft_member
Japanese culture user, the best period of their lives is Highschool, because in Middleschool you're just following orders, in College you're studying all the day and then you become a slavwage, I'm surprised you don't know this or did this conecction.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@StrangeWizard
You think Utena would let them spitroast her at Akio's request? He'd sit and watch, obviously.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Someone post pictures of the croc fetus, I need it for reasons.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Stupidasole
But I thought the characters in Utena were in middle school

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Stupidasole
This, but also middle- and high school age kids are the primary demographic, so they have to pander like hell to them.

FastChef
FastChef

@farquit
I rooted for her, since I started watching Utena thinking it was a typical good guys/bad guys magical girl show.

Same with Madoka. I'm bad at picking up on this stuff, I guess.

farquit
farquit

@Burnblaze
I was giving a general example user, that's why a lot of shows have that kind of setting.

@DeathDog
Also this.

Inmate
Inmate

@Burnblaze
It's an "academy" that seems to have middle school through high school age kids.
Utena is 14, but the rest of the Student Council are older, except Miki, who's 12.

Evilember
Evilember

@FastChef
I'm bad at picking up on this stuff, I guess.
Same here user. I still don't get any of the symbolism. So I found the constant sign pointing and rose emblems to be fucking annoying.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

which ED was better?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@DeathDog
Oh yeah.

@Inmate
I lose track of ages completely since character's appearances and behavior generally have no relation to their age at all.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@DeathDog
I thought that Utena was Seinen? The manga was at least

Snarelure
Snarelure

@CouchChiller
VIRTUAL
STAR
EMBRYOLOGY
Metal as fuck and the name makes it that much cooler

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Evilember
sign pointing
That episode was great. iirc, those pointing hands weren't going to be there, but the background stuff was too subtle, so they added them to bring them out.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Snarelure
G O A T
O
A
T

The lyrics are great, too

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@eGremlin
@Nude_Bikergirl
Yeah. While it features kids, it seems more that Ikuhara is using them as a vessel through which to tell a story about the trials and tribulations of the age of the cusp of adulthood.
It's certainly not for kids, what with all the delving into the burgeoning sexuality that all the characters experience.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Nude_Bikergirl
I thought that Utena was Seinen? The manga was at least
The manga is shoujo.

Techpill
Techpill

@CouchChiller
Both are 10/10, but MISSING TRUTH AND FOREVER is just too much fun.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@CouchChiller
Last episode's.
nanananana nananana

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Utena or Penguindrum?

girlDog
girlDog

@Garbage Can Lid
Why not both?

askme
askme

@Garbage Can Lid
Utena by far.

WebTool
WebTool

@Garbage Can Lid
I watched Penguindrum first so I would say Penguindrum. However, I love both series.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Garbage Can Lid
Both but start with Utena.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Garbage Can Lid
I didn't like Penguindrum all that much when I watched it. But it seemed like it would have been a fucking blast to have watched alongside Sheeky Forums.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Sharpcharm
I agree. Utena and Anthy are my favorite protagonists of all time, so multi-layered and intriciate...especially Anthy. Akio too, but I really want to punch that face.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

How many years until we get another Ikuhara series? How long will it be? 1/2 cour?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Carnalpleasure
Lesbian bears was just this winter. Give it 4 years.

Methshot
Methshot

@Carnalpleasure
6 episode OVA
of cutie honey

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Carnalpleasure
If there is anything it will probably be even shorter than YK

YK brought in a little over 300 copies, so I doubt that a studio will get him to bring home the bacon soon

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@BlogWobbles
300 copies
Seriously? Isn't that, like, all kinds of terrible? Feels bad. It was a goddamn masterpiece in so many ways.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Methshot
I would watch it tbh

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Soft_member
Because Utena is all about leaving behind childhood and moving towards adulthood. High school and middle school are right between childhood and adulthood.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Boy_vs_Girl
Because yuri doesn't sell well in Japan, especially yuri that imples that some girls will remain gay their entire lives and will never want tiny Japnese otaku dick.

Methshot
Methshot

@5mileys

You have to watch it again and look out for every subversive thing Anthy does. The more you look the more you understand she's been trying to kick the chair out from under Utena the whole time.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Sir_Gallonhead
Nips confirmed for shit taste yet again

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Methshot
A lot of Anthy's actions are really subtle and ambiguous, so to understand her completely, you always need to be paying attention. She's not 100% helpless victim, but she's definitely not 100% cold-hearted and manipulative bitch either.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@eGremlin
Basically. Yuri Kuma didn't tell virgin Japanese otaku what they wanted to hear. Therefore, it sold poorly.

likme
likme

@5mileys
Seek therapy.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@eGremlin
Yuri is shit cause being gay is disgusting. Though I think they hate it for self insert reasons instead of mine.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Boy_vs_Girl
part helpless victim, part cold-hearted and manipulative bitch
Ikuhara understands women pretty well

@lostmypassword
he doesn't recognize the beauty of the purest form of love

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@lostmypassword
gb2/pol/

Evilember
Evilember

@Boy_vs_Girl
Ikuhara understands women pretty well
gb2/r9k/

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@LuckyDusty
@Boy_vs_Girl
Man and woman only, anything else is disgusting.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Boy_vs_Girl
Ikuhara didn't write Anthy, Enokido did. And the whole point was that she wasn't a princess, but she wasn't a witch either.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Stark_Naked
Overpopulation is disgusting, too, and closet fags like you think that is the ideal.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Firespawn
It blows people's minds that Utena's characters aren't good or evil, just morally grey.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Booteefool
thinks I'm in the closet just cause I find yuri disgusting

Whatever you say, user.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Boy_vs_Girl
The only show that did was was that season was MILITARY. Looks bad for Iki's career, but I am sure that something new will pop up later.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@New_Cliche
Utena is definitely not something to watch if you have a black/white mindset.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@kizzmybutt
You said you found the gay disgusting. Most people who find the gay disgusting are closet gays themselves. Healthy and secure heterosexuals don't give a shit unless some hot girl dumped them for another girl or something. So, again, gb2/pol/

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@SniperGod
People would rather watch the typical moe SOL, loser harem, or shounen action show instead of something that just may make them have to think about things.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Emberburn
I feel like it goes against the natural order of things. Even if it is 2D and cute, I don't like it.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Boy_vs_Girl
I agree. Japanese tastes a shit.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@SniperWish
So do/does glasses, medicine, condoms, $5 billion fertility treatment, computers, and straight sex that isn't missionary. Your point?

idontknow
idontknow

@lostmypassword
@Stark_Naked
@SniperWish
Touga pls stay

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@idontknow
...And remember to repeat that as Akio pounds your shitter.

Evilember
Evilember

@idontknow
@PurpleCharger
Didn't Touga and Saionji fuck in the back of Akio's car? Touga was really fucked up. Didn't he get raped and molested by his adoptive family?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@PurpleCharger
...

Stop

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@TalkBomber
I don't particularly dislike SOL or action shows.

But yeah, I wish people wouldn't condemn shows that have characters with damage and faults.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Evilember
In the movie, yes, he was raped. In the TV series, that was never implied in anyway, but one of the staff (can't remember who) confirmed that it happened there, too.
Life lesson: people who say things like "man + woman is the only way" are typically hiding something.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Evilember
Didn't Touga and Saionji fuck in the back of Akio's car?
Yep, also without Akio, though it wasn't as satisfying. Remember that time they went out in Touga's car?
Touga: "Does the throb of the engine excite you?"
Saionji: "Not... really..."

takes2long
takes2long

@Stupidasole
"man + woman is the only way"

He may have been getting his butt pounded but he wasn't wrong.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@takes2long
Oh please, he was trying to convince himself of that lie but always had his boner directed at Saionji.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@takes2long
not seeing the point

Flameblow
Flameblow

@StrangeWizard
always had his boner directed at Saionji.
I had the feeling that he was just after power, same as Akio, and sex was just one way of getting that

Saionji definitely had a heart boner and potentially actual-boner for Touga

RavySnake
RavySnake

@StrangeWizard
Pft. That's not how you spell "Akio".

MPmaster
MPmaster

@takes2long
Well he did mistake Nanami for being a lesbian in that one episode and chided her for it but he was definitely getting it in the butt from Akio (in order to have more power over the student council) and manipulating Saionji's boner for him.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Flameblow
Didn't he stop being a powerslut near the end and became close to Saionji again?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Methnerd
Maybe so. When I rewatch, I usually don't make it all the way to the end, so it's been a while since I've seen those last few episodes.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

How can I enjoy this if the cast is filled sluts and dsyfunctional people. There isn't a single healthy relationship in this show. Its the sameissue with NANA

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Ignoramus
This show being worshiped by feminists and lgbt makes me dislike it all the more

Supergrass
Supergrass

@PurpleCharger
Is it? That's just fucking great.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@PurpleCharger
You can watch something and just ignore the political extremists who use it as a soapbox. True story.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Where is my Ikahura anime about heterosexual monogamous relationships?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Ignoramus
Because the human race is full of sluts and dysfunctional people. If you can't handle a series which is pretty much about people letting go of the past (which includes their dysfunctional relationships and flawed ideals), then this show isn't for you.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Need_TLC
Fuck those people. I prefer quality people around me. These people what makes the human race bad

Techpill
Techpill

@TurtleCat
Not happening. Ikuhara has said that straight relationships are boring because they both always seem to end up central to every story and because it's hard to find an idea for them that hasn't been done to death already.
Ringo and Shoma in Penguindrum are the closest you'll get, but that anime thankfully doesn't revolve around their relationship or else it would have been fucking boring.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Techpill
Sish.._Ikuhara is basicaly lgbt and feminist. Of course hell have retarde ideas

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Gigastrength
One of the messages of Utena is that you can grow up and do away with dysfunctional relationships and unhealthy sexuality. Everyone has that potential. I prefer that over clichéd anime with boring character tropes and self-inserts any day.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Need_TLC
@Need_TLC
Don't get me wrong I love flawed characters. Thereis aline toibe drawn. Some of these people are irredeemable.

takes2long
takes2long

@cum2soon
Those ideas aren't "retarded". Tell me about one heterosexual romance out there that isn't boring. What is wrong with being pro-lgbt rights in a country that enjoys sweeping the existence of non-straight people under the rug?

inb4/gb2tumblr
Not from tumblr. You can disagree with one view and not be at the extreme end of the other. True story.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@iluvmen
Pretty much all of them ate redeemable. Who isn't?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@takes2long
Go back to tumblr

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@RavySnake
*are

takes2long
takes2long

@RavySnake

I guess I was givin the characters the benefit of the doubt.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@PurpleCharger
Not from tumblr. The fact that you only see two sides to anything makes you the retard, kid. People can disagree with you and not be from a website for 14-22 spoiled rotten brats to project their insecurities on.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@takes2long
What is wrong with being pro-lgbt rights in a country that enjoys sweeping the existence of non-straight people under the rug?

Go back to tumblr.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Emberburn
Go back to /pol/. Both you /pol/yards and tumbrtards are just as toxic to intelligent conversations.

That, or actually refute anon's points,

cum2soon
cum2soon

noses

What is this? 1996?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@cum2soon
1997 actually.

Firespawn
Firespawn

This show seems very gay.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Firespawn
OP image is a girl being fucked by a guy
gay

w8t4u
w8t4u

@viagrandad
savagely
not sure that's the right word...

also pretty sure he fucked a dude or two, if I recall

@New_Cliche
Yeah, not sure what's going on at the bottom of this thread.

Utena uses what would be a pretty pedestrian and doctrinaire feminist allegory and uses it to clarify christian theology. It's actually the highest-level TV series that probably exists.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Deadlyinx
So utena still virgin?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Soft_member

No, other user was a bit off, within the story it happened but it was meant to represent a metaphor to the viewer.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@PurpleCharger
Why? It paints women as dumb whores and also plays with the idea of incest being the same thing as a homo reltionship.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Techpill
God fucking bless that
inb4 I'm a faggot
I am
gay bears for life

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@iluvmen
You mean it paints teenagers a dumb whores. Guess what? Most teenagers are, regardless of gender. That's called "an honest depiction".

Also, despite what some idiots actually try arguing, Ikuhara is very much pro-gay rights.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Firespawn
Well, it depicts sexual orientation as fluid. Everyone is bisexual.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@iluvmen
Incest gets portrayed as an unhealthy obsession people grow out of.

The only anti-gay remark that's ever made is by Touga, whose opinion is pretty much invalid because he's getting sandwiched by Akio and Saionji on a regular basis..

Ikuhara said he wanted Utena and Anthy to be a couple in the TV series, but was told "no" by the manga author. He also not only chooses for Juri to be gay in the anime (she wasn't in the manga), but, when given complete artistic control of the movie, chose to make Utena and Anthy a full-blown couple who are literally naked and kissing the end.

So... yeah. Homo relationships aren't portrayed as "bad" in Utena. They are portrayed as something that will create obstacles in your life (such as oppression or expectations that you'll just "grow out of it"), but not as something bad.

That's how being female is portrayed, too. Girls and women aren't always nice, but they're not all bitches, either. Most teenage girls aren't pleasant people, and Utena doesn't pretend they're all just helpless moe blobs. Being female can be an obstacle blocking you from certain things due to Japanese social norms and expectations, but you can choose to accept said challenges and be yourself or remain in a coffin.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Carnalpleasure
Didn't the movie basically beat you over the head with this with that laughable husk of himself in that

takes2long
takes2long

@Emberfire
This is Sheeky Forums. To most guys here, getting laid often with anyone you want is the opposite of a manchild. Remember where you are, user.

TechHater
TechHater

@takes2long
killing animals
pure

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

I've only seen this entire series once and it was in one long, endless marathon. Then, a week later, I watched the movie. Overall, It did a lot of things right, but the repetition and the constant surreal imagery fucked with my head too much. Also, it needed more straight up yuri as opposed to just visual imagery that contradicted the actual relationship between Utena and Anthy.
But at least the film ended with them on a lesbian-powered motorcycle, so there's that.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Lord_Tryzalot

Wait, the movie needed more "straight up yuri" or the show? Because by the end of the movie they're zooming down the road making out while naked. And within the TV show I think Ikuhara was pressured out of making a blatant "yuri end"

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Burnblaze
The show. The show needed more straight up yuri.
And I mentioned the movie ending, unless you skipped the part where I mentioned the "lesbian-powered motorcycle".

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Burnblaze
He wanted them as a couple in the TV series The manga author said "no".
He had freedom to do whatever he wanted for the movie, so he drove the yuri route.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Supergrass
If it makes you happy, here's official art of Anthy finding her waifu.

askme
askme

@Emberfire

So with the ending, how did Anthy know that Utena still existed somewhere? It's not too far-fetched to accept that she might have died was it?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@askme
So with the ending, how did Anthy know that Utena still existed somewhere?
Magic. Lesbian magic.

It's not too far-fetched to accept that she might have died was it?
Not unless you believe in lesbian magic.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@askme
Anthy herself was still alive after being hit by the swords so I guess that's how she knew.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@SniperGod

Well sure, but those swords were sort of metaphorical weren't they? The one Anthy stabbed Utena with.. not so much.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Emberfire
official art of Anthy finding her waifu.
Sweet baby Jesus. Thank you.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@askme
Woman's intuition

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Garbage Can Lid
Penguindrum had more focus on the actual plot rather than its themes, while in Utena the story was just the frame. They're kind of different in this aspect, but since I prefer more concrete stories I'd go with Penguindrum.
Also, Utena really dragged itself a lot. I think it's great, but I couldn't enjoy it much.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@kizzmybutt
the fuck, if anything it's the other way around.
Utena feels like even if you don't get the metaphors you can still enjoy the story at the most basic level, while in Penguindrum you really get lost if you don't know what the artist's intention was.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Reminder that Jury BTFO'd Utena twice in sword duels

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Deadlyinx
What.
In Utena some scenes didn't even make sense if you took them as they were shown, while Penguindrum was more straightforward in its storytelling.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Garbage Can Lid
Penguindrum is messy, I found Ringo to be unbearable and had to drop it. I gave it a second watch with an open mind though and it ended up becoming one of my favorites.

Methshot
Methshot

@Soft_member
Penguindrum was more straightforward in its storytelling.
so the 2 kids really WERE in cages and an apple just showed up?

Booteefool
Booteefool

@w8t4u
Ringo was best girl, why all the hate?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

I don't even remember the movie having a crocodile fetus. Time to rewatch it.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Booteefool
The stalking and rape was 2creepy4me.

Funnily, she ended up becoming my favorite Penguindrum

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@SomethingNew
It's always time to rewatch Adolescence

@Methshot
Yeah, duh. Also, someone should call the cops about that factory that keeps killing kids.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Methshot
I didn't say that, I said the story was more straightforward. Like, if you took it as is, you wouldn't guess what was the deal with the whole duel thing, or the revolution in Utena, while in Penguindrum you could feel where the story was going - Shouma and Kanba had a understandable objective.
Penguindrum too relied heavily on symbols and metaphors, I'm not saying it wasn't.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Fuzzy_Logic
if you took it as is, you wouldn't guess what was the deal with the whole duel thing
but that's what i meant, even if you don't understand it, you can still enjoy it on a basic level, as an actual dual with a winner or loser. You would want Utena to win, even if you don't understand the meaning behind it. just like even if you don't get why Nanami turned into a cow, it would still an entertaining and funny episode to watch.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Tell me about Nanami, why does she wear the bell?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@VisualMaster
Ahou

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@VisualMaster
No one cared who she was until she put on the bell

TechHater
TechHater

@Dreamworx
https://youtu.be/C2HQwzD-LS4?t=21m52s

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@TechHater
What the hell am I watching

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Dreamworx
Well, I believe Penguindrum had a more straightforward approach, even without understanding completely the themes. You had two siblings trying to save their sister and the eventual developments when the other characters entered the scenes - first of all Ringo, then Yuri and the teacher, and the others.
You didn't have to understand exactly what was the meaning of the diary, what was fate, you could have taken it for just what it showed, and I believe that it was more enjoyable than Utena in that way.
In Utena the story alone isn't that great, at least in my opinion.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Sir_Gallonhead
kek, saved

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Bidwell
In Utena the story alone isn't that great
Bitch please

The art style by itself makes Penguindrum more immediately appealing by far, though.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Flameblow
I like Utena's style more.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@kizzmybutt
Chiho pls go

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Need_TLC

Yeah, lucky for Utena she won by miracle both times.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@whereismyname
Are you me?
That picture is posted all the time, and was 100% sure it was a yuri ending.
I can't believe I've been tricked so hard.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@BinaryMan
Most of the time, they obtain those swords by pulling them out of someone else body.
They might as well be metaphorical too.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

If I like SKU, should I watch Strike Witches?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Raving_Cute
No but you should watch FLCL and Diebuster.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@RavySnake
Will do

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Raving_Cute
If you like pantsu, watch Strike Witches.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

mom sees a picture of an Utena cosplayer
tell her it's from an anime
she asks what the show is about
"Uh..."

Soft_member
Soft_member

Why did Kozue hold a razor to Miki's throat and call him a traitor in the movie?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

I woke up and this thread is still alive

Inmate
Inmate

@Soft_member

I haven't watched the movie in a long time, but wasn't it because Miki said that they could never be as close as they use to be? Or just something along the lines of telling her that they aren't the same as when they were kids and will inevitably grow apart from each other.

That or he was referring to the whole piano recital thing where Miki couldn't go so Kozue didn't perform, and it caused a rift in their relationship.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Burnblaze

Ikuhara shows are always fucking impossible to describe normally.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Soft_member
Because not making sweet love to your imouto is nothing less than treason

@Crazy_Nice
A successful Utena thread is a rare treat

@Snarelure
Why are Nanami episodes so best?

TechHater
TechHater

@Garbage Can Lid
Ikuhara shows should have more pantsu. The worst part about YKA was that they promised pantsu, but never delivered in the actual show.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@VisualMaster

Was laying an egg part of your master plan?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Snarelure
best girl
and i think she is bi

RavySnake
RavySnake

@New_Cliche
she's not

Lunatick
Lunatick

@likme
Juri
heartless
trembling in pain and anger half of her screentime

whereismyname
whereismyname

@RavySnake
You're right, Jury isn't best girl, Saionji is. Prove me wrong.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@New_Cliche

bi

A man can dream...

Firespawn
Firespawn

@eGremlin
I'm crashing this study party with no survivors

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Firespawn
You can tell when a character is shit if they hate cats.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@viagrandad

Juri being less than lesbian would betray the character.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Inmate
macro

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Fuzzy_Logic
tfw 2011 was 15 years ago

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Sharpcharm
alication

Is that even a word?

WebTool
WebTool

@hairygrape
I thought only women were supposed to have those

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@WebTool
I always thought they were moles.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Garbage Can Lid
Utena > Penguindrum > Utena movie > Gay bears

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Methnerd
All of which are > everything else

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@likme

She's literally tied down by how heavy her emotions for Shiori are.

Besides that she gets extremely emotional in episodes centered on her.

girlDog
girlDog

@Methnerd
Where does Sailor Moon S and SuperS stand?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Methnerd
I whole-heartedly agree with this

Spamalot
Spamalot

@girlDog
I really need to rewatch these, haven't seen them since elementary school, and those were dubs.

tfw I've been watching ikuni's antics for as long as I can remember
I am truly blessed

SniperWish
SniperWish

@w8t4u
GIM47N?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@girlDog

He also did R and it's movie.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Garbage Can Lid

Utena > Yurikuma > Penguindrum >>>>>>>> Utena movie

@eGremlin

9000+ seasons of Naruto
S3 never of Spice and Wolf

Did you ever think elevens had any kind of taste at all? We should nuke them again.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@SomethingNew
>>>>> Utena movie
Shit taste detected

We should nuke them again.
Two nukes gave us anime, so maybe we should.

askme
askme

@SomethingNew
>>>>>> Utena movie

Just because you didn't understand it doesn't mean it's bad, user.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@massdebater
That entire episode really messed with my virgin mind

Emberfire
Emberfire

So I heard the anime is actually better than the source material

RavySnake
RavySnake

@massdebater
especially when the roads are marked with "STOP" during the all episode

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@LuckyDusty
I had to try really hard to not drop it.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@BlogWobbles
Its a great episode, but that doesnt mean it didnt make me feel mad and uncomfortable the entire time

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@BlogWobbles
oh my god this is so delusional and weird and disgusting

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Is this show actually worth watching?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Evilember
rose emblems

What were those supposed to be?

DeathDog
DeathDog

@SomethingNew
Really? She pretty much sums up how I reacted to the episode.

girlDog
girlDog

@Crazy_Nice
Yes.

FastChef
FastChef

@DeathDog

Then you are delusional and weird and disgusting?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Crazy_Nice
Yes

@RavySnake
Pretty spinny twirly-whirlies

5mileys
5mileys

@New_Cliche
It was supposed to make you uncomfortable.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@FastChef
Guess so.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Crazy_Nice
yes
better then all 2014-2015 anime

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@DeathDog
'(SOB)'s and 'Oh, my. <3's included? Because that's kind of cringey. The entire page is cringey. She keeps talking about 'her' Utena-sama, her entitlement to Utena to be what she projects unto her confirming she does not understand the rose bride metaphor. The fact she takes Utena's 'nobility' serious confirms she does not understand the very criticism the show gives on what is actually hypocrisy. The page is the very example of a yurifag Just Not Getting It.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

I really liked it

I-I don't think I understood it though

Soft_member
Soft_member

@5mileys
Obviously.
That doesnt mean I enjoyed it.

it worked as intended, almost too well

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Crazy_Nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbQ5KOLJcnk

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Soft_member
That's a good sign though. If you enjoyed what was happening then you should consider offing yourself.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Deadlyinx
The page is the very example of a yurifag Just Not Getting It.
Well, she's a yuri doujinshi writer, so it's not surprising she watches with lesbo-tinted glasses. I was actually surprised she caught on that Akio and Touga were going it

girlDog
girlDog

@Snarelure
I know she is a yuri mangaka, I'm just saying that even though you watch the show reading Anthy and Utena's relationship as romantic which is the way Ikuhara wants you to so you probably should--I think in how pure as in genuine and sincere and untained by weird lust motives only confirms it to be A Healthy Relationship to contrast with all the obvious relationships that are all Unhealthy Relationships, even if how lacking it was in sexual desire made it easy to read it as platonic instead--there is no reason to misunderstand pretty much everything else the show is about such as entitlement, misogyny, the madonna/whore complex, the exposure of the "prince on a white horse" fantasy leading only to false love, a delusion. Don't get me wrong--the show is often silly and bears no meaning but if you missed out on themes like these you must be rather blind.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@girlDog
You know that the show's relationships are messed up when a forced engagement between a witch-princess and a 14-year-old straight girl is the healthy one.

But yeah, their pure love did a good job of acting as a contrast to everyone else's problems.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Deadlyinx

Just keep in mind she was like 15 years old when she wrote it. I wouldn't expect anyone that age to understand it properly.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@New_Cliche
tfwywn have a threesome with loli Anthy and Utena

likme
likme

@Emberfire
Way better. The manga and the anime were released side by side but it's obvious that Ikuhara didn't really explain what he wanted to with the series in terms of tone and style to the manga author. In fact there was a commentary track for the last three episodes of the series with Ikuhara and Chiro and they go on for quite a while about how confused she was with some of the things she saw on the show.

On a positive note, the differences between the show and the anime are probably what made her change her mind about not wanting Utena and Anthy as a couple. They even kiss in the manga.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Stupidasole
people who say things like "man + woman is the only way" are typically hiding something

You mean in the anime?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@likme

Oh, she understood, but she was completely commercially-minded in her plans and vision for the franchise, and didn't think lesbian romance would sell to girls, let alone all the rest of Ikuhara's artistically ambitious ideas. Yeah, she changed her tune after the anime became a hit, but the Utena manga is still very dull, rote by-the-numbers shoujo.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Methnerd
Pls don't feed the troll

@happy_sad
very dull, rote by-the-numbers shoujo.
Kinda makes me wanna read it, tbh. It'd be nice to see the same characters in a story that wasn't completely insane

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Nude_Bikergirl

They aren't "the same", though. They're vastly less interesting, and one-dimensional.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Deadlyinx
Give the girl a break. It's obvious Utena is her waifu so she just got cucked and it's not easy being cucked by your waifu... I should know, Utena was my waifu as well ;_;

happy_sad
happy_sad

@SomethingNew

In that sense, I think it was a good lesson. We all know how beholden to the ideas of "used goods" and virgin fetishism anime is. But Utena (the show) doesn't care about that at all. Yes, she got fucked, but it didn't change who she was. As Milk ineptly but correctly points out, Utena DID "get her nobility back" even after Akio stole it from her. Not the impossible fairy tale perfect nobility of the Prince, but the nobility of real human empathy and self-sacrifice.

likme
likme

Reminder that this is what Utena would look like irl

Methnerd
Methnerd

Why do I like Saionji so much?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Methnerd
Because you got raped by your foster father ?
Or you are a spooky ghost ?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Methnerd

You have a teeth-and-saliva fetish.

Methshot
Methshot

@Methnerd
He wants to be hardcore but Utena won't let him.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@happy_sad
She's still disgusting used goods, though

@Methnerd
He really is the most likeable person in the show, even though that's not saying much.

I disliked him at first, obviously, since he smacked Anthy. Eventually, I realized I would have done the same thing in his place.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Harmless_Venom
@happy_sad
the ideas of "used goods" and virgin fetishism
Is a noble thing, its just that vicious neckbeards also flock to it

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Boy_vs_Girl

It really isn't. It's nothing but sex-negative prudishness.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Booteefool
Theres something special about waiting until your wedding day that athiests poopoo on.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Stupidasole

Sure do, since they aren't beholden to ancient Sky Daddy fairy tales.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Booteefool
Just because we can never reach our ideals doesn't mean that we shouldn't try.

Dishonorably losing your virginity is a shame; if it wasn't, Utena losing hers to Akio wouldn't carry any weight.

Inmate
Inmate

@Raving_Cute

But it didn't. That was the whole point. It had no long-term impact on who she was or her worth as a person.

No surprise you missed the point, though.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Inmate
The moral at the end wasn't "Fuck yeah, I'm an awesome special snowflake who is too awesome to be with y'all anymore", it's "Damn, I'm a deeply flawed individual, but I can accept that and move on with my life". Failing to become a prince and losing her virginity both support this.

No surprise you missed the point, though.
Nothin personnel... kid

JunkTop
JunkTop

I think we can all agree this show has the GOAT soundtrack.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@JunkTop
WHEN?
WHERE?
WHO?
WHICH?

Also, I heard that Ikuhara apparently sings in some of the tracks.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@New_Cliche
kid

You have a coherent (though incorrect) argument, but then decided to take the juvenile way out, so I won't waste time conversing with you any further. I'll only say that the ideal of the perfect fairy-tale Prince was never presented, or intended to be taken, as a realistic human goal. Quite the opposite, in fact, the inevitable impossibility of fitting that ideal is what the entire backstory of Dios/Akio is about. But whatever, I take my leave from you.

You also misspelled "personal", by the way.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@PackManBrainlure
Step up your meme game.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@happy_sad
I know, I've read the suggestions Ikuhara gave to Anno in regards to Rei and know that was his intention. I guess you could say I got caught hook, line and sinker. But in my defense, the scene never made think any less of Utena but it did make hate Akio to an unnatural degree.

@likme
Utena character have really big chins when look at them from certain angles, don't they?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@PackManBrainlure
Not getting the meme
I would think Utena threads would be full of oldfags

Anyway, I guess we can agree to disagree. Death of the Author, and all that.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Methnerd
Because he seduced you.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Carnalpleasure
Utena character have really big chins when look at them from certain angles, don't they?
They do. I think more people would give the show a chance if the art wasn't so... unusual. I'm glad Penguindrum went with a slightly more typical art style

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@New_Cliche
Maybe in the manga, but not the tv show.

She definitely had a friendship with Ruka though, at least at one point, which made her more emotional in regards to her actions than she would've with another person.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@DeathDog
She

?

5mileys
5mileys

You know who is undoubtedly the #1 best character in all 39 episodes? That Onion Prince guy. Despite being tsundere at first, he has some pure love for his childhood friend, Wakaba. Even Nemuro recognizes that he's as pure-hearted as you can get. He's the best, and should get more recognition.

@ZeroReborn
Milk has a vagoo, and likes to rub it while looking at drawing of other vagoos

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@5mileys
The onion prince guy was pretty selfish.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Burnblaze
Whatever bro, you're just jealous that you didn't grow up with Wakaba

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Sharpcharm
Black rose duels were still character development, albiet not direct development, as it further developed the characters dueling and the people who inspired them to duel by showing different sides of them the viewer hadn't seen before. Even though the characters are the same after the Black Rose arc, to the viewer they have developed because we now have a much deeper understanding of them than we would've otherwise.

Inmate
Inmate

@Supergrass
This. Character development isn't just showing a character's growth but also showing every side of them and digging into the layers.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Burnblaze

This. Nemuro didn't let him off the hook because he was a "good person", but because he was the typical "nice guy", i.e. weak willed passive-aggressive beta who did not have the willpower to go after what he wanted. As such, he was completely useless as a Black Rose candidate. Nemuro just said that to get him to go away.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Illusionz
I think more people would give the show a chance if the art wasn't so... unusual.

Ironic, seeing as how it's a damn sight better than Eiichiro Oda's hideous character designs, yet everyone seems to LOVE his work.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@New_Cliche
But that's Touga.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Illusionz
A lot of popular 90s shows look unusual.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Nude_Bikergirl
Yeah I messed up

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Bidwell
Eiichiro Oda's hideous character designs
What's hideous about them? If anything, he's a good character designer.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Is that okay that I want to see Utena and Gundam crossover?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Burnblaze
user probably meant art style

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@viagrandad

I shamefully fapped to that scene by imagining myself as Utena.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@VisualMaster
What do you want to say by that?

Evilember
Evilember

@Nojokur

That I'm probably a subfag.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Burnblaze
If ungodly obnoxious is good in your opinion, then yes, I suppose he could be considered a "good" character designer.

@MPmaster
Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@PackManBrainlure
Watch out folks. Tumblr is here.

takes2long
takes2long

@PurpleCharger
no actual argument
Well, it's my fault for expecting anything.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@CodeBuns
Why did I read the comments, OH WHY

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Fried_Sushi
She definitely had a friendship with Ruka though
i think she was in love with him

TechHater
TechHater

@RavySnake
not Aida and Raraya

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Skullbone
i think she was in love with him
Ruka please

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Dreamworx
dont touch muh lesbian fetish!

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Skullbone

She objectively was not. It was a classic "everyone likes somebody else" triangle of Ruka->Juri->Shiori->Ruka.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Skullbone
There's literally zero evidence of that.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Methnerd

This. That Ruka did what he did, trying to break Juri free of Shiori, KNOWING that there was nothing in it for him because she'd never love him, and in fact would probably despise him for acting the way he was acting, was the whole fucking point.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Methnerd
shiori loved juri too

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@takes2long
You were expecting an argument?

askme
askme

@Methnerd
no
Shiori didnt like Ruka

@Playboyize
-> @New_Cliche

Playboyize
Playboyize

@CouchChiller

More like was unhealthily obsessed with her, and in an unhealthy, malignant way. Shiori both admires and loathes Juri because she's everything Shiori is not. But that element of admiration only makes her more poisonous and vindictive toward Juri.

Evilember
Evilember

@5mileys
I couldn't agree more. Biggest slut in history.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@viagrandad
he watches Utena

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Playboyize
More like was unhealthily obsessed with her
but Juri "love" for Shiori is no more then unhealthily obsession too

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Ignoramus

That's a fact, but not in the same way. Juri's love was self-effacing. She never used it as an excuse for bad behavior in herself, nor for Shiori's behavior either. She was content to carry her pain stoically.

farquit
farquit

@Playboyize
iirc it was confirmed by enokido that shiori was in love with juri. hell they even got a good end in the tv series

also, this @Ignoramus
put shiori on a pedestal all while refusing to interact with her
closed herself off completely
wallowed in her own misery
refused to move on

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Playboyize
and she barely resisted to that kiss
and after that she hates him too much for some friendzoned beta

@Lunatick
sooooo may be very very deep inside Jury regret her parting with Ruka

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@ZeroReborn
clearly struggling and bit his lip
barely resisted

Funny definition you've got there, headcanon-kun.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Stupidasole

For the sake of Newtype Revolution
"Can you hear it... The throb of the Minosvky Engine?"
"As it races three times as fast."
Now I'm sad that Utena will never be transfered to the Ecole du Ciel and get her own MS. What would she pilot? Maybe a Tallgeese? Ikuhara needs to direct a Gundam OVA with the Five Star Story guy.

Also would Lalah and Anthy be the same person or could we get an actual threeway going?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Harmless_Venom
Lalah and Anthy ARE the same person, user.

Inmate
Inmate

@takes2long

Tell me about one heterosexual romance out there that isn't boring.

Why would a faggot like yourself even bother to watch a heterosexual romance in the first place? People watch genres that appeal to them personally. Then again your kind isn't based on logic. :^D

Anyway:

Chobits
Kimi Ni Todoke
Kurage-Hime
Ichigo 100%
Toradora!
Ore Monogatari
I Can't Understand What My Husband Is Saying
Hatsukoi Limited
Video Girl Ai

What is wrong with being pro-lgbt rights in a country that enjoys sweeping the existence of non-straight people under the rug?
Trying to force a majority (who are naturally opposed to this from a ethical, cultural perspective) to accept a minority is good
being Pro-LGBT at all

In the end, gay-rights is just a parasitic social-movement that seeks to turn political, financial and legal agencies for their own benefit and power. It was never about advocating for positive change or tolerance, but forcing people to kowtow to your demands and ideologies.

idontknow
idontknow

@Inmate
reddit image and /pol/tarding
Here's a pity reply.

Evilember
Evilember

@Soft_member
Chuchu is Anthy's familiar

@Emberfire
The point of Nanami was that horrible shit happens to her but the viewers only laugh at it, it was taken to the extreme in the movie

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Inmate
You're right, except for lesbians. Yuri is the purest love known to man.

After all, the Bible speaks against gay men, but says nothing about lesbians.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@PurpleCharger

If you really believed that you'd be all for gay men, because that would just clear the way for more women to love women.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@BlogWobbles
I love how we can't go a single thread without this getting posted. But damn, can you imagine what it must have been like watching utena whilst it was airing?
wait all week for a new episode
its a filler one in which nanami is a cow
what the fuck is this shit?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@PurpleCharger
Big G knows what's up.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@LuckyDusty
Thet episode contained character development, it wasn't filler.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@LuckyDusty
Especially if you were a teenage Japanese girl. The first several episodes would have been awesome, but eventually the show descends into madness, lesbianism, rape, etc.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@PurpleCharger
Romans 1:26-32
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

It's right there, and is later grouped in the same category as a bunch of other sins (inconvenient, because going to hell (being "worthy of death," as in spiritual death, or separation from God permanently) is inconvenient).

The Torah (where everyone gets the "gays must be killed" stuff) doesn't have anything against female gays specifically, and since Jews are always looking for loopholes and the like, they say the lesbos are OK.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@LuckyDusty
Threadly reminder that Utena was aired in Japan on a childrens time slot and not the usual dead of the night anime time. Yes, that includes the scene on the OP. EVA only got like three episodes in before it was changed but Ikuhara dodged those censor like a pro.

I makes me wonder how it must have felt for those kids (mostly young girls probably) watching this at such a young age. Where are they know and how did that affect them and how many of them are now lesbians lol

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Harmless_Venom
The Torah (where everyone gets the "gays must be killed" stuff) doesn't have anything against female gays specifically, and since Jews are always looking for loopholes and the like, they say the lesbos are OK.
No shit? That's actually really funny.

@iluvmen
I feel like, if anything, all the alphas in SKU would have solidified their heterosexuality. They're probably pretty messed up, though.

massdebater
massdebater

@iluvmen
I think it's a great coming of age story.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

If Akio has supernatural and cosmic significance then, as Akio's twin-sister, it is reasonable to
assume that Anthy shares in this significance. Akio’s potentiality to actualize his designs appears nearly unlimited while Anthy’s potential is hardly revealed and very nearly pressed into
nothingness. The potentiality of Akio to dominate and control his surroundings therefore
definitely contrasts with Anthy’s inverse incapacity to so much as defend herself from the abuse
of her suitors. Both characters are, in their opposed characteristics, the most extreme embodiment of the opposed archetypes of Manhood and Womanhood in all of their horrific and unflattering excesses. This interpretation is buttressed by the respective sites of these
characters’ principal importance: Akios’ towering phallic observatory
and Anthy's Hidden Castle held aloft within the uterine dueling arena forest. I interpret this to mean that they are not merely natural human persons which represent abstract ideas. On the contrary, Akio and Anthy are supernatural manifestations, existing in a hypostatic union of the eternal Platonic Ideas and the concrete actuality of their persons. Following the idealism of Plato, Akio and Anthy actually and personally embody the eternal Forms of Manhood and Womanhood within the spatio-temporal universe and the fantastic cosmos of the Ohtori Academy. They are the living and embodied transcendent ideas of Man and Woman.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@BunnyJinx
Yep, that's definitely the theory I subscribe to.

I giggled when I figured out that the forest was lady parts, especially when you consider the big stone rose you have to pass through, surrounded by waterfalls

massdebater
massdebater

@Sharpcharm
akio couldn't force the gate open with his sword
utena opens it with her fingers

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@BunnyJinx

/Ohtori,nu/

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@massdebater
heheheheh

@Burnblaze
Honestly, I spent a good two hours on there after I finished the show for the first time, trying to figure out what I had just watched.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Supergrass
Yeah but 80% of the Black duelists are irrelevant side characters who do not influence the plot in any way.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@StrangeWizard
The Black Rose arc served the purpose of developing the core themes of the show.

WebTool
WebTool

Was Nemuro in love mith Mamiya or Tokiko ?

WebTool
WebTool

@WebTool
Why not both?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@WebTool
Tokiko
He only transfers that love to Mamiya (or the Anthy version of him) because he got cucked by Akio and he still cared about the real Mamiya but only as "family" (represented by the little three cat family).

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@WebTool

The timeline, exactly what was real and what wasn't, and what Nemuro knew and/or remembered are so unclear that I've never bothered to regard is as anything but a lost soul trapped in a kind of fever dream. Whatever he once was and whoever he once loved, as we see him in the show, he's nothing but an insane ghost, tortured by Akio and Anthy for the sole purpose of honing Utena's soul sword, and then discarded.

FastChef
FastChef

@Evil_kitten
I don't need these feels right now, man

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Evil_kitten
poor Nemuro

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Evil_kitten
Damn it, this series is way too tragic.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

How is Utena manga? I read something like she ends up turning into a prince or some crazy shit, any of you guys have read it ?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@PackManBrainlure

Read the thread, it was already discussed.

girlDog
girlDog

i just want to know did she end up being a slave to the D or did she become a lesbian thats all i wanna know

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@girlDog

Lesbian. Both in the series and movie, although way more blatantly in the movie.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

What name symbolism is going on in Utena?

Himemiya -> hime -> princess
Ohtori -> phoenix
Nemuro -> root cellar(?), also nemuri -> sleeping

Anything else?

StonedTime
StonedTime

@girlDog
@Emberfire
Sweet vag won.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Garbage Can Lid

You're ignoring the most prominent bit of all: "Utena", the word in Japanese means "calyx", the leaves that protect the bud of a flower as it blooms.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Methnerd
No way, I never knew. That's awesome.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Harmless_Venom
GM Sayla Mass custom from The Origin.
Touga and Sayonji use Astrays, Miki and Juri use Gyans. Akio should ride something like Qubeley or The O.
And yes, Lalah and Anthy are the same person in different universes.

girlDog
girlDog

@massdebater

IKUHARA!!!!!

Skullbone
Skullbone

@ZeroReborn

Sometimes people just like eating eggs.

That or he was raping girls who just started their period because he's some sick impregnation fetishist.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@girlDog
@Lord_Tryzalot
heheheheheh

@Skullbone
Knowing Saionji, probably the latter

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Gigastrength

Knowing Saionji, probably the latter

Saionji actually cared about Anthy, he was just a dick. He had an inferiority complex.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Skullbone
Saionji's a lot of things, but he's not a rapist with an impregnation fetish.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Methnerd
He was initially a huge dick but he got better. The comedy and Nanami interactions probably helped too.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Garbage Can Lid
True, if anything, he wants to be the one to be impregnated

@BinaryMan
He really did. Saionji a cute!
@whereismyname

whereismyname
whereismyname

@hairygrape
Saionji a cute!
But slapping cuties isn't cute.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Evil_kitten
But trying to figure out whar's real and what's not is one the best parts of those couple of episodes.

And it's not that complicated:
Nemuro was a scientist (and a computor/robot man, cold and calculating)
He is hired by Akio to research "the power to bring the world revolutio" (perpetuas motion?) with a bunch of other young researchers (The Black Rose Duelists)
He meets Tokiko and falls in love with her.
Tokiko is working on the project in hopes of curing her sick brother
Nemuro, Tokiko and Mamiya form a makeshift family (represented by the three cats on the window)
Research isn't making progress but there are some results (represented by subtle time wraps around Nemuro) and Mamiya loses hope, preferes to die young than to rot away like a rose. He hopes Nemuro will take care of his sister when he is dead.
The rose seal is apperently a popular fashion accessory while this is going on and there are many gay couple amoung Nemuro's staff (Yes, this is important).
Akio cucks Nemuro
Nemuro loses it and decides to burn down the building with all the kids inside thinking this will get him the power
Nemuro blames Mamiya cuse he doesn't want to face Tokiko. Mamiya accepts it since he will be dead soon and he wants his sister and Nemuro to be together (that's why it is a Black Rose instead of a white one, Mamiya's memory is preserved but soiled)
He incorporates parts of his everyday life into his delusion (the gay kids cause him to believe Mamiya is his lover, the Rose Seal makes him a duelist, etc.)
Mamiya and Tokiko leave the school and eventually Mamiya dies.
Of course, Akio and Anthy were behind it all and Nemuro DINDU NUFFIN.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@RumChicken
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@RumChicken
the gay kids cause him to believe Mamiya is his lover
@RumChicken
wut

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Stupidasole
Someone thinks it is.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Harmless_Venom
At least that's how I understood it. It's obvious Nemuro trasnfered a lot of things he felt for Tokiko into fake Anthy Mamiya.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@BunnyJinx
tl;dr Anthy & Akio = Yin & Yang

Illusionz
Illusionz

@whereismyname
Anthy bullied back, so it's okay.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Flameblow
@SomethingNew

Fukaku... motto Fukaku
Seriously, let's keep going.
Fraw Bow will be Wakaba.
What will be the equivalent to The Power to Bring the World Revolution?

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Crazy_Nice
show

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

First time I'm ever seeing a Utena thread hitting bump limit.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@TurtleCat
I've seen a few and they are always loads of fun, we should do these more often maybe as often as EVA threads.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Soft_member
No, that is a ruinous path.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@SomethingNew
Boys never really got into the show much, and most girls were into the boiboy sexi.
Just something about it... never really clicked with a lot of dojin and other artists.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@BlogWobbles
It's fucking irritating that this gets posted every Utena thread, but of course, it just about summarizes why most of the people who watched Utena are stupid.

farquit
farquit

@Soft_member
I think whenever we try to do it regularly, it's terrible. These beautiful threads come once in a blue moon, unfortunately. I'll miss you guys. See you next thread!

Methshot
Methshot

@TreeEater
it just about summarizes why most of the people who watched Utena are stupid.
Just look at like, half the posts in this thread.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Methnerd
In real life, too. People who are heterosexual and confident in their heterosexuality don't care about what goes on in other people's bedrooms if all parties are legal and able. Studies have shown that gay-bashers get huge boners from watching gay porn.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Remember.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Methnerd
Because he's a huge manchild who want power and knows he will never get it.

FastChef
FastChef

Wow ok, bye guys. Now if a YKK thread can hit bump limit, that'd be a real miracle.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Sharpcharm
Nice meme

@TreeEater
@Methshot
I think we're better than most fandoms

Anyway, have some cute lesbians

iluvmen
iluvmen

@SniperWish

Nah, that's not true. Saionji, more than any of the other duelists, really thought he was something special, and that he could accomplish Great Things.

...which of course made him by far the easiest of all of them to manipulate.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@happy_sad
One of my ex girlfriends got me to watch the movie and I liked it a lot. Then I watched the anime and loved it.

Especially enjoyed Nanami's cow bell episode.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@BunnyJinx
The cutest.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Stupidasole
Like being in extreme pain from never having had any penis in theirr pussy before, probably not enjoying the sex, and not being able to have taken your new product for a test drive before buying it? No, thanks. A woman with some experience (note: some. Don't turn this into "STDs lol") who'll be a beast in the bedroom and will already know how to make me cum buckets appeals to me much more.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@SniperGod
not being able to have taken your new product for a test drive
product
Please don't marry

farquit
farquit

The smuggest.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@SniperGod
Any woman who's had a dude other than you has STDs, user.

But in all seriousness, I think there was a study that found that women retain the genetic material of their former partners.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@New_Cliche
"Damn, I'm a deeply flawed individual, but I can accept that and move on with my life".
The whole reason that most anons don't understand this anime: They're unable to do that. Instead, they just keep projecting their insecurities and flaws.

viagrandad
viagrandad

M-mods pls sticky

I don't want this thread to die

w8t4u
w8t4u

@viagrandad
sitcky
For what purpose? The thread must be allowed to run its course. Stickying would be even worse than making a new thread immediately.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Pause for a moment in memorial of the late Kawakami Tomoko, voice of Utena, Athena from ARIA, and many other roles.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@ZeroReborn
;_;

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@w8t4u
True. It'll be a long time before we get a SKU thread as good as this one, though. Maybe someone will make a YKA thread.

@ZeroReborn
4u, Kawakami-sama

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Inmate
Yet again... you assume that everyone who disagrees with you must be an extremist. You can support gay rights and hate what gay pride events have become, user. You're just looking dumber each time you post. Now go back to /pol/ where you belong. There's a reason why we call it your "containment board". You and tumblr are the worst things to ever happen to intelligent conversation. You both have boners for strawmen arguments.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Dat sandwich trading. Touga/Saionji OTP.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Harmless_Venom
look, another person who read the mistranslated Bible.

5mileys
5mileys

@ZeroReborn
Best of luck in the outside world!

w8t4u
w8t4u

@BunnyJinx
so basically lgbt and feminist bullshit theories

@PurpleCharger
Not really Teens are more well adjusted then media likes to portray

RumChicken
RumChicken

@girlDog
Ikuhara didn't direct that movie. It happened after he left Toei.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@ZeroReborn
Man, what is it about Japan that makes people just be fine one second and dead of cancer on the other? It always happens so suddenly. Satoshi Kon, Iwata and so many other. lets hope Itagachi makes it.

SniperGod
SniperGod

I had to do it, sorry.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@SniperGod
Zettai Unmei Marijuana

RumChicken
RumChicken

@SniperGod
comparing a human being to a product
This is why I know the human race is doomed. Value of virginity or modesty is not a christian trait and most people misunderstand Christian's view of sex.

FastChef
FastChef

@PurpleCharger
What a couple of fuccbois.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@iluvmen
Most of his internal conflicts all go back to his impression that Touga is special and he is not. Deep down, he knows he isn't special, and that bothers him to no end.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@RumChicken
value of virginity or modesty

Yep, both worthless. Just hurry up and die, cultist. Your Sky Daddy isn't waiting for you, but you'll improve the world by shoving off.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@TreeEater
He's special to Wakaba, though

Apparently that's not good enough for him, though

@Bidwell
no u

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@RumChicken
not an exclusively Christian trait*

@Bidwell
you are mistaken I'm an atheist but I see value these things.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Boy_vs_Girl
That's the only way to express it. Some people just aren't physically compatible and, unless they're willing to work at it, never will be. Some women, for example, will never really be able to take a huge cock without some pain or discomfort. Without having sex before you get married, how will you even know this? Those of you who deny this are almost certainly virgins.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@happy_sad
Sex is the most important part of a relationship
Akio pls go

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

None of this shit matters for lesbians anyway.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Fried_Sushi
Has there ever been a purer love?

MPmaster
MPmaster

Loving all this artwork, I'm saving as you post. Thanks, bro

FastChef
FastChef

@MPmaster

A pleasure.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

So I know this might sound weird but, how would you guys feel if Utena got redubbed and started airing on Toonami?
/ToonamiGeneral/ seems to really like the ideal and I think it would fit well as a more nostalgic show never seen on block.

@Bidwell
tipsfedora.avi

@Carnalpleasure
Nope

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Glorious, glorious Juri.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@New_Cliche
I think the current dub is as good as we're gonna get, but yeah, watching Utena on toonami would be the best.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@New_Cliche
liking dubs ever

5mileys
5mileys

@happy_sad
Are you implying sex is the only reason people marry that's very shallow. Sexual passions will naturally die off. Marriage aspect is not about sex. If you just want to have sex then don't marry.

Marriage is much more than that. It's a commitment that goes beyond sexuality

I can't believe that people have really bought to this sexual compatible myth either. Sex like anything takes practice so husband and wife will just have to work at it. It's not a magical thing the clicks right off the bat

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Firespawn
Which is why people (that's right, PEOPLE, not just men and not just women) constantly cheat on each other due to not having enough sex or enough good sex... because sex doesn't matter.

Sex isn't THE most important aspect of a relationship, but, despite what Christians and Muslims like to say, it is still *AN* important aspect. When we love someone deeply, we want to be able to bond with them physically. That's what nature drives us to do.

I'm betting you've never had mind-blowing sex with someone you love very deeply. if you had, you wouldn't be singing that tune. In fact, all signs in your direction point to a big "V" for "VIRGIN".

WebTool
WebTool

@King_Martha
Context check.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@massdebater
Fuck. This might be my favorite one posted so far in this thread. This whole scene.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Supergrass
I'm betting you've never had mind-blowing sex with someone you love very deeply. if you had, you wouldn't be singing that tune. In fact, all signs in your direction point to a big "V" for "VIRGIN".
Where do you think we are? Not that I disagree with some of the sentiments in your post there.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Supergrass
Implying that you can't Love someone deeply without having sex with them. Cheating has less to to with sex than you think.

SO are you telling me if you loved someone deeply and when you eventually have sex and you aren't "compatible" , You just everything good about the relationship, That is very shallow and immature.

WebTool
WebTool

@5mileys
So which would you rather have on your honeymoon:

-mind-blowing sex with a woman who's had experience, isn't in pain, and has three orgasms over the course of the evening?
or
-lousy sex with a woman who's had no experience and just flops around like a fish and makes you stop before the act is done because her privates are in pain? And when you do finish, it's in under three minutes, so she doesn't even get to have an orgasm?

There are advantages to both virgin marriage and non-virgin marriage as far as sex goes.

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